I've seen plenty of games where Rooney just strolls around the pitch not looking like he gives a shit if he's there or not.
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I'm sorry but THIS is bollocks.
In fairness to Rooney, although it seems obvious that he wants to leave, he hasn't actually publically stated the club or sulked.
secondly, not cheering him while he is still playing for the club you support is pathetic quite frankley. I'm not saying we should be worship him, but withdrawing support for him?
Commitment on the pitch is consistently putting efforts on pitch and trying harder when things are not going your way. If I have to talk about United players.. Nani, Young are couple of names who, one can see having bad game but doesn't see that step up in effort. Same was case with Berba where he just used to choose to sulk sometimes instead of trying harder(maybe he thought that with his skills he didnt need to). Rooney, when he used to have bad games, used to try harder to get his level up.
Now, I didn't make it explicit but my comparison was not with United players as SAF ensured that there was team spirit and anyone who couldn't give a feck was left out. I was comparing similar cases elsewhere when players haven't been happy and it is clearly visible on pitch that they don't care wether team wins or loses especailly the big players with big salaries. I was trying to imagine if similar will happen with Rooney. City had many such last season with Nasri being one prime example of a player who was unhappy and that being reflected on pitch.
Now, I didn't make it explicit but my comparison was not with United players as SAF ensured that there was team spirit and anyone who couldn't give a feck was left out. I was comparing similar cases elsewhere when players haven't been happy and it is clearly visible on pitch that they don't care wether team wins or loses especailly the big players with big salaries. I was trying to imagine if similar will happen with Rooney. City had many such last season with Nasri being one prime example of a player who was unhappy and that being reflected on pitch.
You chant for individuals to show your support for their contribution and due to a sense of attachment to them, I hope he doesn't get slagged off and I'll be delighted when he does well because we all want United to do well but he won't get the same adulation personally because it looks like he'd rather be playing for Chelsea. He may not have sulked but he wasn't in the best physical condition (not for the first time) which suggests he didn't put as much effort in last summer as he ought to.
If Van Persie was the one who had been here for 9 years and we were looking to bring in another top quality forward, you can guarantee he would have come back in the best shape he could and made sure he was in top form for the season in order to prove himself. I don't believe Rooney has ever deliberately not given his all on the pitch but it's a bit disappointing that our highest profile and highest paid player arrived at the first match of the season at Everton clearly unfit.
you have your opinions, I have mine.
I dont support the player I support the team.
How can you guarantee that?
People used to say that Rooney would never behave the way Tevez did and later Ronnie did. That he would put his own ego aside to accommodate others.
RVP was fantastic for us last year and says a lot of the right things but we never will really know how he'd react in the same situation. At least couldn't guarantee it.
I'm not talking about acting up, I'm talking about his attitude to his fitness (and therefore his form). Maybe guarantee is the wrong word but the likes of Van Persie and Ronaldo have had injury problems but never periods where they're not in good shape, Van Persie actually put on a fair bit of weight to add muscle. Ronaldo may be a freak physically but he's also incredibly driven to be the best he can be, Rooney has admitted himself to turning up from pre-seasons way over his target weight and to throwing away fitness programmes that have been given to him. Last season was an opportunity for him to come back sharp and make sure he was still the main man but he didn't do it, in the same way that he turned up not in great condition for Euro 2012.
Don't get me wrong. I would never support any player over the club, the club will always come first, but with that in mind if Rooney is selected to wear the shirt, he has my support.
Fat fecker will need it to get to the end of the tunnel.
Will you sing his song?
OK I can see where you going, if he plays well then yes credit where it is due, but when and if Rooney gets sold, that will be it, I wont care what he does.
I honestly don't know, I concede the point.
never again
It's such a top song as well. I still find myself chanting it at times to myself. If the crowd won't sing his chant, then we must recycle the tune/format to an other player. It's too good to just let it die.
I SAW MY MESUT THE OTHER DAY.....?
I SAW MY MESUT THE OTHER DAY.....?
With Moyes allegedly working for ITV tonight in their studio for the England match, he'll surely have to discuss Rooney at some point. Could be a chance for him to give Rooney a public show of support which might smooth the path to the end of the transfer window. Would obviously be a bit awkward if he said something close to criticism, the media would have a fun time with that. Surprising (if true) for Moyes to put himself out there.
I'd be very suprised if he's doing TV pundit work on the side just days before his first league game.
TBF he can easily combine it with what he'd presumably have been doing tonight anyway - watching England vs Scotland - and I guess it just depends what he thinks will be gained from making a public appearance. Perhaps he can use it to relay a message that would otherwise be twisted in the written press?
Fergie was a pundit during France 98 and Euro 96. I believe.
This will be interesting though.
Your memory doesn't go back to 1996 or 1998, when Fergie was a studio pundit during the Euros and World Cup. Worked with Kevin Keegan right after the "I would luv it" incident, famously.
The mortgage's not gonna pay for itself right?
I was drunk during most of the late 90s so you'll have to excuse my memory there.
I think it's a good idea for him to do it, as you say, gives him a chance to get his message across without the media spin.
I think it's a good idea for him to do it, as you say, gives him a chance to get his message across without the media spin.
Keane's inevitably going to say some douchey shit.
A Rooney goal followed by him shoving away Cleverley and Smalling to give Ashley Cole a big hug would be funny.
You've got a bad case of Rooney lust, Duffer. Your jokes say no, but your eyes say yes.
No doubt we'll have the journalists/body language experts analysing everything he does.
I'm expecting to him to score and then remove his shirt revealing a message that says "Free Me!"
I'd imagine it's no coincidence the club sent the message out yesterday Rooney will categorically not be playing for Chelsea next season. Moyes can firm that up with a public declaration that everyone in the country will see. I'd imagine he'll be very complimentary about Rooney, the first step to drawing a line under all this for the summer.
A spectacularly stomach churning image.
Then I've got to disagree with you a bit further on your point.
Remember RVP didn't come into the picture well after pre-season had started last season, so consider that supposedly Rooney came back the fittest he has been in 5 years (or something like that) according to Vidic at the start of pre-season and Moyes was saying he was training very well and pictures of him supposedly showed he was trim. Seeing that this was his first pre-season since not being first choice and being challenged by RVP - he supposedly did exactly what you think RVP (or Ronaldo) to do in a similar situation at least in terms of being fit.
Obviously some will say he came back fit so he could go play well for the new club he wanted to move to but, regardless - once he got pushed to not being the main man - he worked harder to make sure he got that back.
Kagawa had already signed and the Van Persie link was pretty substantial, regardless he should be doing it out of professional pride and the fact that he's ridiculously talented. I do agree with your point though that it's great that he's returned this year seemingly in excellent shape, it would be quite cynical to suggest it's because of the transfer stories so I'd like to think that maybe he's taken on board what Ferguson said.
RVP link was there but, no one thought it would happen and as far as Kagawa goes, the thought was he was going to be behind Rooney, not take Rooney's spot. The point you had raised earlier was Rooney's reaction to being challenged should have been a lot better in terms of fitness and he's done that at the very least this season.
I don't disagree in an ideal world these professionals who get paid a lot of money should be busting their butts to be their best come start of the season regardless if they are being challenged for their spot or not and the whole "my body is my temple" during the offseason but, real world is not everyone lives that way.
I guess the question to be really answered now is what his attitude is like on the field when he does play for us again - or maybe even more relevant what it is like when he is on the bench or gets subbed off. Hopefully it's completely professional as it should be.
Yeah, that's all absolutely fair and the signs are positive that he's fit and ready for this season. He just frustrates me because he could be so good, it just needs a bit more application.
I'll expect a spectacularly simple tap in from Rooney tonight followed by lots of creaming over how world class he is.
I don't understand some of the reactions here. Sure it is very difficult to have same affection for him now but he is not suddenly a shit or overrated player. Had this summer transfer soap opera not happened, our fans would have defended him passionately on his England contributions if outsiders would have questioned.
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