Try looking through this thread before the summer bollocks began.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Try looking through this thread before the summer bollocks began.
Neil Ashton: "Rooney, who has one of the best first touches in world football"
Barely, footballers I call professional don't smoke and certainly don't turn up overweight.
hahaha. Neil Ashton etc are not worth paying attention. My point is, until Coleen tweeted before 2nd leg vs Madrid (that was the point when this topic was set in motion), Rooney performing badly would have been labeled "one off", "lack of match fitness/just back from injury" etc etc. I would like to see reactions to his average performances before that but I guess I will have to go back more than 2/3rd of total page counts!
He has acted very badly I know and I too don't feel any affection for him now but he hasn't suddenly become average player. He is still very good player and that is the reason most of us fear him going to Chelsea.
He has acted very badly I know and I too don't feel any affection for him now but he hasn't suddenly become average player. He is still very good player and that is the reason most of us fear him going to Chelsea.
I guess he'll have to do with you not considering him a pro. Pity him really.
To say that Rooney is a "pro" is a bit of an insult to genuinely professional players like Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs etc.
History being rewritten again. All criticism was non-existent before the latest contract situation I see.
Equally if it is a fan favorite such as Chicha at the moment, they'd be all over how he great goal scorers get into the right spots and they wouldn't be wrong.
Is Hernandez rated as highly as Rooney then? I must have missed that one.
Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs aren't normal footballers, they're atypical (in the very good sense) in their professionalism. They're all pros in their respective ways.
..starting tonight's game.
Rooney starts. feck this cnut.
Of course he is starting, there's nothing wrong with him.
Good, getting games under his belt can only help our cause. Hopefully he is playing well (I expect him to be crap, he hasn't had much football in four months - it would also prove Moyes' comments to be correct about his current fitness level) and can be a bench option shortly.
That doesn't mean he should be starting the game, Hodgson should be trying to find a Plan B in attack which isn't Carroll up top with Hart and a catapult in the penalty area. In addition to that, Rooney may have barely any league football to his name ahead of the qualifiers meaning that his form could be suspect.
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No he isn't but, point is that good goal scorers get into good positions, will score tap ins and there is nothing wrong with complimenting them in doing so.
Hernandez is probably the best poacher in the league. His finishing is also almost impeccable.
Hodgson said he's gonna start and said he'll play 45 minutes.
There are plenty of players in our squad who I'd say are more professional than Rooney. He has many qualities that set him apart from the herd but professionalism is certainly not one of them.
Trust me...I know what it means.
I didn't put that there though. Some admin did that and I still don't know whom.
Yeah yeah but all in all he's pro. You don't play as this level for so long without having a certain professionalism about your life, we would all love to Giggs and Scholes' type of players that's for sure. The way he's behaved off the pitch and during summers has rarely had an impact on his performances, SAF would never have allowed it for so long.
How do you know? I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that he could have performed better if he's given up smoking and lost a stone.
Until after the game tonight. He'll pick up a knock, ruling him out of next few games until the minute he signs for Chelsea.
He won't be playing at this level for very much longer because of his unprofessional habits. And it has had an impact on his performances, quite often in fact.
Because I honestly believe SAF would never have played as much as he has if Rooney's way of life had that much of an impact on his football. We're talking about SAF, an extremely demanding winner. There are certain things required at the highest level and SAF isn't one to turn a blind eye on them.
You're probably right when it comes to the future and more precisely when he gets to his 30s but right now I don't know. The impact of his bad fitness must have been minimal and short term in each season, I refuse to believe SAF would have played that much otherwise.
Ah the infamous fat Ando you mean, once again I don't think SAF would have let Anderson as "fat" as he's been if it was a real pb. Maybe I'll be considered as extremely naive but really to believe that at a club like Man Utd, a player who have been allowed to be overweight.
I'd say Rooney has had a hell of a lot of leeway from SAF down the years, much more than other players. Fergie always had a soft spot for him, up until last season that is.
You may be right or wrong as I may be right or wrong, I'm not pretending to hold the absolute truth on this subject.
I remember Hughes saying in a interview that SAF treated Cantona differently (more leeway etc) and it used to annoy the others at first but they understood after cos certain people work differently + he brought results on the pitch. Think he did the same with Ronaldo and Rooney for sure. Must be a couple others he let off a bit more early on from their career under him.
I don't agree with the Ando is always fat bandwagoners, but there were times he was. Same with Rooney. SAF (ike all managers surely!)makes exceptions for great players (Rooney, not Ando!)
So far Rooney looks like...last season's Rooney. Some good ideas, a few coming off, and running all over the place somewhat ineffectively.
Well this was the problem with starting him, he's got no sharpness. What do England gain from this, odds are he's not gonna be able to deal with much difficult stuff and so any good work done by the midfield will break down with him. Still early I guess but surely would have made more sense to go with a sharp striker and fully see how well the midfield can do for the next competitive games.
A country that has persisted so long with Lampard and Gerrard in midfield won't do that. They'll just do everything they can to get Rooney into form before the next set of internationals.
I don't think Rooney's form matters to them, he's just gonna if he's available.
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