That complicates things even more, then.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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That complicates things even more, then.
What can they do?
I read somewhere he refused to leave because no-one would give him wages anywhere near his current ones.
Probably not much, but give their opinions left, right and centre and make us out as Big Bad Manchester United. Poor little Wayne.
So if he travels its a smokescreen, and if he doesn't he's sold.
Logic prevails.
Colleen might not appreciate that.
When has THAT ever stopped him?
They can't do shit. Manager thinks there are better players. Simple. IF he is acting the cnut, I hope we let him rot. See who wants to sign him when he is 30.
Let him rot in the reserves. We hold all the cards, he has 2 years left.
Good grief. Paul Parker has written an ESPN article titled 'Spoilt brat Rooney needs to be sold before germs spread'. A tad sensational. 
All that bravado from the fans about letting him rot in the reserves, it's always happening in cases such as this.
You have to be stupid to think United would do that to Rooney for a number of reasons. Even if you don't sell him, he won't be banished to the reserves, it makes zero sense.
You have to be stupid to think United would do that to Rooney for a number of reasons. Even if you don't sell him, he won't be banished to the reserves, it makes zero sense.
I hope we use him as a sub, let him play for 20 minutes in games we've already won and sub him off again, seing how fond he is of being subbed.
Good grief. Paul Parker has written an ESPN article titled 'Spoilt brat Rooney needs to be sold before germs spread'. A tad sensational.
Any ghost writing gig's these days Steve??
If he refueses to play, I'd like that. Otherwise, keep him in the team..
Ironic that Chelsea did that to Malouda.. e was by all accounts, a model pro. Pots and kettles... etc.
At least he might get into decent shape that way.
I'm one who would say let him rot in reserves. But fans always say that but when does it ever happen? particularly with bigger players? Someone said it best before, if we don't sell him this summer for, say 30m then we have not only missed out on the 30m fee but still have to pay his (let's say for arguments sake 200k p.w wages). That's an extra 10.4m. There is no way the glazers would allow him to rot on bench and lose 40m for the privilege. This is why Rooney is being so quiet because he knows this. He knows he will be sold, no need to put transfer request in and lose however many millions in bonus when it probably won't increase chances.
It's a shame, but let's be honest, we've seen this before with many players, even with a couple of years on contract when they want to go they will go. Rvp, torres, ronaldo, fabregas just to name a few recent ones. Of course there was tevez where that didn't quite happen!
Not always a bad thing, this time it will work against us but one day it may work for us (I.e rvp)
It's a shame, but let's be honest, we've seen this before with many players, even with a couple of years on contract when they want to go they will go. Rvp, torres, ronaldo, fabregas just to name a few recent ones. Of course there was tevez where that didn't quite happen!
Not always a bad thing, this time it will work against us but one day it may work for us (I.e rvp)
Suarez out of Norway trip due to "injury".
Rooney out of Sweden trip due to "injury".
Bale not playing in Tottenham's last pre-season friendly due to "injury".
Lead by Remy not playing in QPR's win over the weekend due to an "injury".
Is it me - or is there a pattern here?
Rooney out of Sweden trip due to "injury".
Bale not playing in Tottenham's last pre-season friendly due to "injury".
Lead by Remy not playing in QPR's win over the weekend due to an "injury".
Is it me - or is there a pattern here?
Its been argued that he peaked in is early 20's and is now on a serious decline. I've heard some people say he will be retired by 32 as he wont be able to maintain his physique well into his 30's.
Fabregas playing on their tour
Ronaldo playing on their tour
Ronaldo playing on their tour
All of them appear to be injured
Pretty much. Unless Moyes thinks its somehow in the clubs interest to have a huge Rooney drama, then why wasnt this this swatted on day one. One press conference, a firm denial from BOTH parties, a quick man-hug and it wouldve been put to bed. It really is that simple
Rooney won't refuse to play, I don't see that happening, once again, for various reasons. He probably won't play his best and won't try his hardest in training, though.
As for Malouda, Chelsea unsuccessfully tried to unload him for a several transfer windows until they told him, if he stays he won't have a place in the squad anymore. He was happy to train with the reserves and collect the check. I don't blame him, really, he had a year left on the contract, no other team was willing to take on his wages and Malouda preferred money to playing time. To each his own, as they say.
No one is denying the fact that one party has quite clearly cooked up a saga, but it's far from being concluded.
Far starters, logic would suggest we wouldn't contemplate letting Rooney leave the club without some kind of new player to add to the squad. Logic would suggest that we wouldn't sell to Chelsea, because it would strengthen them. And logic would suggest that we wouldn't let him go unless it was a stupidly lucrative deal for us, which so far it hasn't looked like it will be.
So usually when I add 2+2 I get 4, but when applying a similar equation to the Rooney 'saga', I don't see a conclusion until September 1st. This is miles away from being over.
I wont argue with your thinking, I really do see both sides of the 'logic', but bridges, if not completely burnt, are well and truly on fire. And they'll take some serious re-building if he stays. I just cant see it
A fully firing Wayne Rooney is a tremendous asset to any club, but I sincerely think the days of that being our club, are gone. Sad to say
I will add that my pessimism may be largely due to a summer of frustration. Moyes needed to make the right noises and, for me, he simply hasnt. I'll give him my full support, but he isnt making it easy!
The best scenario I can see at the moment, is the likes of Zaha, Lingard and Januzaj stepping up and bringing the freshness that the squad needs
Even if he brings in 3 players this week, they'll need time to assimilate. The toughest opening fixtures for many a year, and we just dont seem ready for it (and dont get me started on playing a testimonial 2 days before Wembley - no chance of injuries there eh!!)
Does seem stupidly placed, unless we're fielding a bunch of past players, or fringe players.
It was said that Roo burnt the bridge behind him when he went into his last meltdown.
This one can go either way, amigos. Speculation as to where this ends up is pretty much a pure guess.
This one can go either way, amigos. Speculation as to where this ends up is pretty much a pure guess.
Then it would be silly for the club to say he's not for sale at any price. Surely they'd have said 'silly money' if they wanted him gone.
I hope Monaco or PSG swoops in soon with a £40m bid and helps us solve this problem. Or Real with a £10m + Modric.
Oh, the club never lies. What they should have say 'yeah we're going to sell the son of a bitch, come here and get him'. Does club usually say for players that they are for sale?
What club officially says and the truth aren't always the same.
They want to be United so badly
.They should have said "Wayne is for sale no less than 75m, come and start the bidding and whoever wants him you're more than happy to sign him."
I know the club has lied - but in this case if they actually wanted him sold it makes more sense to say they do and tell everyone that it is for silly money. It just looks now that they want to be seen to keep him... Why would they bluff on that? They still hold all the cards in any case imo. This is what I don't understnd. If the club wants to sell him then they have every right to say that there will be adequete compensation for whoever wants to sign him.
It's not as though they have to keep quiet because people will continue to bid low until Wayne cracks. Behind closed doors they could agree to sell him for silly money but make sure they get it. Why would they say he's not for sale if he's for sale? Sure I get it from a theoretical perspective but if they wanted to sell they could very easily get top dollar for him. It's Wayne Rooney.. Not David Nugent.
Before my head gets bitten off I will say there are some serious levels of paranoia going on with people's paradigms of thought on this issue.
Why the hell would the club say that he is for sale? It could lower his price and take even more pressure into the club for a start. What will happen if no-one is interested then. We would look like fecking idiots and Rooney would be even more demotivated to play here. It would be a totally retarded act from the club to say, yeah sure, we are going to sell him. Clubs who are managed never do these kind of things, especially not for big name players. But surely Rooney has a price, and I have no doubt that if a club will offer that much money, he'll go. I don't think (and hope) that he'll never play in a United shirt again.
Force the ungrateful feck to sit in the reserves for a year. especially as it's a world cup year.
PSG have Cavani and Zlatan. Why would they want another striker? Monaco have Falcao but may not need another striker.
Wayne Rooney eyes move abroad if Chelsea deal falls through
More from the so-called 'Rooney camp? With all this 'briefing' going on it all feels a bit 'Thick of It' at the moment.
More from the so-called 'Rooney camp?
With all this 'briefing' going on it all feels a bit 'Thick of It' at the moment.Please Ian, tell us more about what Rooney is thinking.. .
.I hear Anzhi need some players...
I think I might piss myself at selling Rooney to them.
I think I might piss myself at selling Rooney to them.
Then what would it matter with the club saying that "he is not for sale" and he's still here with a desire to leave? (Opposed to actually declaring he can leave)
All I am saying is that when Lord Ferguson told us all he'd asked to leave and said 'he has to go home and think about it' and from there to the 'crunch talks' with Moyes the club has remained adamant that they don't want to sell him. What difference does it make if Rooney then 'crunch talked' with Moyes and came to the same conclusion that he wanted to leave and subsequently would be sold. Or if he said 'look I'll stay and prove myself' (the complete opposite of wanting to leave).
What difference on the value and the interest would it mean to the club if they said "Wayne is available at 60m starting offer. We've talked, he wants to leave and we're willing to sell.' (At an outrageous price somewhere in the vicinity of his value home/abroad I think anywhere between 35/80m ie what the club wants to recoup since it is their money and player).
I just don't see the point of telling the fans that they want him to stay and the player being upset behind closed doors and not wanting to stay and wanting to go. It just makes no sense to me and from a perspective of managerial proceedings would be rather pointless to alienate the player further in that kind of way. Wayne has young children and is probably spending a lot of his 'recovery' time with them and will be better for it. I dunno - I just can't see past why the club would make a statement either way on their intent and it having a difference on the fee of the player. Selling him quick or holding out.. It's the same outcome in the end. Maybe I am not a shrewd businessman or manager or something? Or the fact that I haven't speculated much on the entire subject.
Mourinho has already put in a couple of low bids that have been rejected and statements on the matter been made clear that we will not be selling to Chelsea. But even that isn't enough to make them stop. Had Moyes (in this case been willing to sell) slapped a tag on him at 60m for starters, would the offers still be the same? Just silly offers completely undervalued? Or would Mourinho have stood up and said.. "Oh shit........ I have to do some sums here, let me get back to you" and had a real go.
Of course that is just speculatively speaking. If then the club couldn't find a buyer and Wayne was adamant about leaving there was no real fault in saying to him "look we can't find a buyer for your value. Give us one solid as a rock season in a WC year and we'll get behind you and get the fans/country behind you and from there we'll assess the situation of signing a new deal worth what we see as a chance to move forward with you or a way to get you the move that you want if you still feel the same way."
If creating a division within the fans over his involvement is what they set out to achieve then that is a bit strange. If nobody has stepped in and said 'hang on this is going to make the fans pretty fecking pissed in general.. Lets look at how we approach this whole situation'.. Then maybe everyone is right and we have stepped down off a peg and are fecking up a bit. Who knows, speculatively speaking of course.
ghaliboy, can you think of many recent examples where United or club of similar stature have publicly stated a fee for which they would be amenable in selling a player like Rooney?
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