We should tell Rooney we won't accept a fee from Chelsea. If they want you, we want Mata. If Chelsea want you, they'll give us what we want and we'll see you. If they don't then they don't want him enough so why the feck would he want to go to those plastics?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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We should tell Mourinho we want Mata regardless.
To be managed and improved by the most successful manager in world football with a record of working well with his profile of player, a manager who has always been a big fan. To play behind Juan Mata, Oscar and Eden Hazard as the main man in an attack are just two fairly compelling reasons.
I don't doubt Wayne "wouldn't mind" a move to Chelsea or even Arsenal but I still believe that, at heart, this whole business is yet another faux "give me what I want or I'll go elsewhere" scenario. Now his people can say "look - there are suitors willing to give Wayne the prominence/pay he merits!" & this was their plan all along. The tactic hasn't fully succeeded (as yet) because the club has learnt from the last time not to believe that Rooney's supposed reasons for leaving are sincere.
Fully agree. We are not some small club that needs to balance the books every so often. Yes we do have debt issues, but we are one of the biggest clubs in the world (possibly top 3 in that regard) and our revenue is massive.
Yes money would be nice, but money is not going to solve our problems. For example, having more money would not really have helped us lure Thiago here, and with Fabregas it doesn't really seem like money is a big issue either.
As far as I'm concerned, if we are going to sell Rooney to Chelsea we might as well send them the PL trophy too.
You can't play £50m up front can you. That's why all this 'show him the door' stuff doesn't make any sense.
Might as well gift wrap it.
Oh don't be such a tart.
More of an indictment on Hodgson's team selection than reflecting recent tournament form.
So were things otherwise and was Rooney was committed to United but broke his leg in three places next week, whilst Chelsea had bought Falcao this summer, it would be over already would it?
The Rooney to Chelsea = Champions mantra is an unimaginative and defeatist view that should attract little sympathy.
Where we can make up ground from last season is our defensive record and better functioning wide players, if this is achieved then United shall be competitive and Rooney be damned.
Attract little sympathy? What are you talking about?
Selling Rooney to Chelsea considerably weakens us and strengthens them. That is a fact.
Selling Rooney to Chelsea considerably weakens us and strengthens them. That is a fact.
Not only that its not the Utd way. We are at our best with our backs to the wall when no one gives us a chance, When Chelsea then City were bought, that was it, we are done, When Jose came back, we are done, when Juve were 2-0 up inside 20 minutes.......we were done, 3-0 down at spurs......we were done, 89th minute of the CL final......we were done. RvN leaves, where will the goals come from? Keane retires, OMG what will happen!?! WTF, fergie sold Hughes Ince AND Kanchelskis and bought no one!! The end is nigh! People need to man the feck up.
It would only weaken us if we sold Rooney and failed to bring in another player.
It could noticeably weaken United although to an as yet unknown extent. It may push Rooney himself up the goalscoring rankings in 13/14 but as for the Chelsea team unit time will tell.
Moreover these decisions ought to be taken with two or three seasons in mind not simply the possibilities of just one.
Much the same has been argued prior to and following the departure of other players, managers and their teams learn to adapt however.
Rooney to Chelsea = Champions is neither unimaginative or defeatist. Chelsea were already being tipped as favorites by many because of the Mourinho effect and the challengers (United/City) getting new managers. United's loss of Fergie is a big game changer even if the team that won the league by 11 points is more or less the same.
Rooney to Chelsea is being viewed, with a lot of good reason, as the RVP to United last season - that good a player going to an already good team. It's not hard to imagine seeing Rooney playing well for them, if he has extra motivation for the way he leaves and in Oscar/Mata/Hazard he'll have as good support as he's had at United over the last few years where he has been one of the leading scorers in the league.
At the same time we would be out a player that consistently gave us goals/assists not to mention teams having to take him into account. With him not around, teams are more likely to focus on RVP which will make things tougher. Not saying whoever comes in for Rooney won't contribute but, no way teams are going to be spending as much time worrying about them.
It's fine to want Rooney out but, it seems you want him out so badly that you blowing off what is so painfully obvious - him to Chelsea would be a huge mistake for our club regardless of the amount. We are the English champions right now and we seemingly have a very difficult time getting the right players in this summer, say we sell him for 45m and don't buy anyone, we lose the league, don't win any other trophies this season - how easy do you think it's going to be able to spend the money next summer?
I even think about what losing Tevez to City did for them, he too me isn't close to Rooney but, he went to a so-so team and elevated them. Rooney, a better player, to Chelsea a better team than City were - it's just not a pleasant thought.
People are putting far too much emphasis on the Jose effect, The point every body giving it Rooney to Chelsea is a disaster etc fails to mention is we aren't going to loose 15 goals/assists and add them to Chelseas tally. Certain players in our squad could be inspired and make a big step up, we could bring in additional players, Rooney might not Gel with the other Chelsea forwards, he might not enjoy the way Jose sets them out to play, there could be Ego issues, for one, I doubt players like Hazard et al who were no doubt signed with the promise of being the main man and having a side built around them are going to like suddenly being second fiddle just like Rooney didn't with RvP. and Yes, its entirely possible that he goes there, has a blinder and scores 30 goals but is is FAR FAR from certain.
In all would not surprise me if they DO win the league next year, so what, its happened before and we will regroup and take our trophy back like we have done time and time again, also it wouldn't surprise me to see Jose and Roman have a monumental bust up and watch the whole shebang implode, but either way a disaster is way way too strong a word. People dying is a disaster, a spoilt primadonna and a plastic club winning the league is not.
In all would not surprise me if they DO win the league next year, so what, its happened before and we will regroup and take our trophy back like we have done time and time again, also it wouldn't surprise me to see Jose and Roman have a monumental bust up and watch the whole shebang implode, but either way a disaster is way way too strong a word. People dying is a disaster, a spoilt primadonna and a plastic club winning the league is not.
Another factor to consider is we don't know bad this shoulder damage is. We could be selling Chelsea a lame duck.
With Chelsea wanting Rooney, Barcelona wanting Luiz, and United wanting Fabregas I'm interested to see how this pans out. All would go for similar fees...
Fact is that no team wants to sell their player.
Let's swap Rooney for Luiz, and then swap him for Fabregas.
It's hilarious that Luiz is being touted at a similar price to Rooney and Fabregas.
But do each club value getting their target over keeping their current player? I know Chelsea need a centre forward more than a defender, Barcelona need a defender more than a midfielder, and we need a midfielder more than a forward.
I'm fairly sure this situation is what the Conference Call was invented for...
Unless we get 60 mil for him, its not worth the fee to strengthen Chelsea. I'd rather let him play out him contract, or sit. Then we wouldn't have to pay him at least.
Eh? Since when was he on pay to play?
I mean if he refuses to play.
So not going to happen.
I get the feeling that he won't be as respectful towards us as van Persie was towards arsenal. I reckon he'll definitely be celebrating if he scores against us.
Good, I'd rather he remain a valuable member of the squad!
At least by the time his contract runs out he'll be 30.
Regarding the being rated in England vs other countries. 5 Dortmund youth team members were interviewed and asked which PL player they would like to see in Bundesliga. Interestingly, all of them said Rooney.
They'd love him in Germany. Pasty white skin with some freckles, likes a pint. He'd fit right in in most places.
Agreed with the definite no to Chelsea.
I'd put the options in this order of preference...
1) Stay put, sort the attitude out, get back to top form (yes I am a dreamer)
2) sold for big fee abroad with some kind of clause to stop an easy sale back to Chelsea in Jan/next summer
3)let him rot here
4) sell to Chelsea.
I'd put the options in this order of preference...
1) Stay put, sort the attitude out, get back to top form (yes I am a dreamer)
2) sold for big fee abroad with some kind of clause to stop an easy sale back to Chelsea in Jan/next summer
3)let him rot here
4) sell to Chelsea.
If he celebrated against Everton, his boyhood club, I don't think he'd have any issues celebrating if he left here and scored against us.
That's a big if though.
Yeah it sucks. These guys are human after all. No player is bigger than the club and even though it appears as though Wayne at the moment thinks he is I reckon on some level he knows that it is true. There is life and there is life after United as well.
It would be extremely interesting if the window closed and by some hopeful fantasy he came out and said 'Fergie lied' and it was confirmed, 'I didn't say anything to the paper at all nor my agent' and it was confirmed and 'I never asked to leave at all'. I just wonder how the fans would react to that. Some say there is no coming back from where he is but I reckon some would turn if he sacked up and debunked it all and banged in a healthy supply of goals this season.
Bridges are easily burned, but new and stronger ones can just as easily be rebuilt.
*Nick made four enhancements to this article for entertainment purposes.
Let me see if i can get this straight, the loss of one player and he with a debatable season behind him, is all by itself going to result in Uhited's inability to challenge for trophies and and longer term decline through appearing unattractive to prospective transfer targets? Stoo press everyone, it's not the Fergie transitional era which should prompt any worry, it is how we can possibly pick ourselves up off the deck following the crippling effects of Wayne Rooney's departure.
Perhaps it is a question of outlook, you see the loss of one very good player [albeit on hard times at present] and are terrified of what he might become next year given the motivational boost of Jose Mourinho. Along with this you seem to believe that his fear factor cannot be replaced by generally improved productivity and the rise of other stars.
For me it is as just as likely that whilst Rooney could experience a temporary renaissance to his career, five other players in United's attack ought to train on from 2012/13 and in part due to his absence.
But as you say, with Rooney mrely visiting us poor mortals all hope shall be lost if he goes to Chelsea. Woe Pandora, woe.
It's not a given that José will inspire Rooney to former heights; if all goes badly, Mourinho is more than willing to throw anyone under the bus instead of taking the blame himself.
We're doomed. Rooney the bestest player the humanity has ever seen will demolish us and score at-least 200 goals in process for Chelsea next season. I think that there isn't a reason to even participate in the competition, it's all over.And to people who think that if Chelsea signs a top striker (Rooney) they will dominate the league for years, answer me how the hell they managed to win only 3 leagues where they had a better striker than Rooney (Drogba) for 8 seasons and a much better team than now?
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