Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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I think his constant shooting from range was what got him taken off by Fergie to be honest.
 
Brwned said:
We're playing him too deep. I think Pete's probably right in saying that temperamentally he's not suited to playing right up top and playing with that kind of discipline, he loves to be on the ball and fair play to him for that because he is one of the few players that will always try to make a difference, but he's not strong enough technically or consistent enough to play such a key role in our build-up play. Play him there for England, sure, but for an elite club it hinders the team (compared to playing him as a striker - I still maintain playing him in the team will always improve us). If we end up pushing Kagawa out wide to keep Rooney in this position it'll just harm our game, IMO. Just shows what an impossible job Sir Alex has because for years he was criticised for playing Rooney too far forward but there you go, I never thought so myself and it's further reinforced by his performances in the role since.

Perhaps I'm being harsh and given time he'll really develop another side of his game from playing here but I'm not seeing it. That Rooney in the second half of 10/11 was the best we've ever seen, combining his creative game of his earlier years with his productivity of his latter years, and it does give me some hope...but even then he was playing considerably further up the pitch, and it was based on Hernandez creating so much space for him whereas what we're doing now is only congesting things. Rooney has never been someone who will thrive in congested areas.
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I would agree with this. If we have him playing up top with RVP in the diamond formation, or on the left in a 4231, I think it would release him for the responsibility of being the main creative fulcrum of the team and he'll be better for it. Both those positions would allow him to buzz around the pitch causing problems but not shackle him and also allow him to score goals, which he obviously likes doing.
 
He dropped way too deep. On the team sheet his position was about right but he would just drop back to a CM/CDM position a lot of the times which was not needed.
 
Gotta give credit to West Ham. They were ridiculously organized and regrouped extremely well after going 1 nil down so early.

Many people make fun of Big Sam but he has gotten a few over us over the years and he has this West Ham side playing some pretty decent stuff.

I was very suprised they hung in there and actually looked a threat most of the match.
 
B. Chizzle had this to say about him -

Charlton currently tops the charts with 49 goals from his 106 appearances - with Gary Lineker trailing behind him on 48 goals, Jimmy Greaves on 44 and Michael Owen with 40 - while Rooney is ranked fifth with a return of 32 goals from 78 caps.

And with the 27-year-old still capable of representing England for a number or years, Charlton believes Rooney's love for the game marks him out as a special talent capable of going the distance where others have failed.

"Wayne has the enthusiasm and talent to do it. With a fair wind he can do it and I would be very happy with that because I like Wayne," Charlton told The Sun.

"I get the opportunity to speak to him every other week and he is not a bad lad. He is a good lad who loves the game and wants to be the best.

"I can see in him what I used to see in myself. He can’t wait to get on the football field and he is magic. I have a lot of time for him because he is a good listener.

"I once said to him ‘Can I give you a tip that might help? Don’t be afraid to shoot. When you look up to have a shot, just smash the ball towards the goal as hard as you can. If you can see that rectangle, just smash the bloody thing’. We played Hull the next day and he did exactly that and scored!"

The 27-year-old struck three goals for Roy Hodgson's side back in October to take his tally above the 30 mark, with a double against San Marino followed by a goal away against Poland during the team's 2014 World Cup qualifying campaign
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Brwned said:
We're playing him too deep. I think Pete's probably right in saying that temperamentally he's not suited to playing right up top and playing with that kind of discipline, he loves to be on the ball and fair play to him for that because he is one of the few players that will always try to make a difference, but he's not strong enough technically or consistent enough to play such a key role in our build-up play. Play him there for England, sure, but for an elite club it hinders the team (compared to playing him as a striker - I still maintain playing him in the team will always improve us). If we end up pushing Kagawa out wide to keep Rooney in this position it'll just harm our game, IMO. Just shows what an impossible job Sir Alex has because for years he was criticised for playing Rooney too far forward but there you go, I never thought so myself and it's further reinforced by his performances in the role since.

Perhaps I'm being harsh and given time he'll really develop another side of his game from playing here but I'm not seeing it. That Rooney in the second half of 10/11 was the best we've ever seen, combining his creative game of his earlier years with his productivity of his latter years, and it does give me some hope...but even then he was playing considerably further up the pitch, and it was based on Hernandez creating so much space for him whereas what we're doing now is only congesting things. Rooney has never been someone who will thrive in congested areas.
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How I've felt for some time. I think his inconsistency is why we never really know what his best position is. It's like we forget he's a striker. Strikers score goals and when they're not, there's a noticeable dip in confidence. Wayne Rooney is no exception to that. He does like getting on the ball but he also likes scoring goals too.

I have no doubt once he gets on the score sheet more, he should get his edge back. He doesn't need to be tasked with being our main source of creativity. He hasn't got a handle on it consistently enough and as you pointed out, he's done better further up the pitch. I would leave this to Kagawa who as I said earlier, is much more consistent with his touch and plays better in that AM role. The big question for me is whether SAF thinks similarly. All signs are pointing to Rooney being our main creative hub.
 
Chicharito is great but not a starter as long as Rooney is around.

We need Rooney and RVP scoring goals as starters and Chicharito being the super-sub bailing us out when needed.

I have said for years that Rooney will eventually be a midfielder and probably end his career as a deep-lying playmaker but Rooney is coming off another 30+ goal season.

Gotta get him in the box and making those dangerous runs that Valencia and Nani exploited so well in 2010.
 
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5 - The 5 worst penalty conversion rates (10+ taken since 1998) Angel 50% Defoe 57% Malbranque 60% Phillips 61% Rooney 65%. Spurned.
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I'm assuming it's PL only. Didn't expect it to be that poor really - missing every third penalty! And it really begs the question: why is he still taking them?
 
That was always the problem with signing RVP though, it meant Rooney could only drop deeper and as we've seen before he can be quality on his day there, but when he's off form, with him being in such a key role creatively it can have quite a detrimental affect on our game as he simply isn't as consistently creative as other top players in that position.

I can't see where we could really play him and RVP at the same time without one of them dropping deeper and RVP is definitely the better lead striker right now. Then if you add Kagawa to the equation it makes it tougher to get the right balance.

That's why I think going to a 433 with kagawa allowed a drifting role from the flank could work well. He can relieve some of the creative burden off Rooney who can play in a Lampard like fashion but just better. If we keep with two wide players who stay wide than it means Rooney has to be the main creative man centrally and if we play him in the diamond then we're still very reliant on him creating from central areas.

I suppose we could play him and RVP at the tip of the diamond but I don't think we could do that as we play it atm. Rooney in the a/m role currently does so much defensive work in that formation, it would have to be modified to tuck in the two wider players as we don't have anyone else who can play that a/m role and give the right defensive cover in the way Rooney does.
 
He needs to be moved central or to the left(tough as young has been very good). He's wasted on the right. Reading are shitting themselves when he has the ball. Need to get him involved more.
 
Varun_Utd said:
He needs to be moved central or to the left(tough as young has been very good). He's wasted on the right. Reading are shitting themselves when he has the ball. Need to get him involved more.
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He's scored two goals and had one assist.
How much more involvement do you want?
 
He seems to be floating around and interlinking really well with RVP tonight. There is absolutely feck all wrong with our attack. Its our defending of set pieces thats woeful.
 
He had a very good game tonigh, after couple of bellow averege ones. MOTM for me.
 
Was very good today, we look dangerous when he's on the ball and he again put in a good defence effort in an unfavoured position. Penalty was class as well probably been practising a fair bit since the Arsenal one.
 
I'd attribute that to the position he was playing in after HT. In the second half, both Carrick and Fletcher were shown their left hand side open so for some reason they had to keep passing the ball to Young while Rooney was playing on the right with Jonesy in the hole. Strange formation but amazingly disciplined performance by Wayne today. Robin and him are really turning the style on.

Amazingly set up for the derby with the pair of them in form.
 
Great first half. Invisible in the second. Not his fault though. Why he played down the wing I won't ever get but still very promising first half. We need a Rooney in top form against City.
 
Felt sorry for him really, had a decent first half but got taken out of the game in the second half. We started off with him stuck on the right, ando though the centre, personally not sure why we didn't try it the other way, but then at least as the first half went on, players started drifting and it got rooney in the game. Then we brought Jones on for ando and that stopped completely and as I said he was taken out of the game. Dunno, he doesn't look particularly happy atm, not sure if he really wants to be the guy who just slots in after others are put in their best positions.
 
I don't know what the drama is all about. The guy has started for us in 5 different positions this season and has 5 goals and 9 assists in 12 (2) appearances. He is an incredible player and should be appreciated by all.

He may get sloppy at times but he produces the goods over the duration of a season.
 
you thought the days of rooney needing to deputize on the wings are over but it is not.

please buy a decent CM which able us to play a proper 4-4-2 and we can just put rooney up there up front. kind of missing those days when we will just start with beckham-keane-scholes-giggs in midfield and sometimes butt in there and doesn't have to care who the opponents are.

it is obvious that rooney is much effective when given the number 10 role on the pitch. i know he scored twice today but i want to see him playing more centrally because he and the team are much better when he does play in his real position.
 
KM said:
He's scored two goals and had one assist.
How much more involvement do you want?
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I was okay with it till Ando was on the pitch. Once he went off, Rooney should have moved central and Jones should have been put out wide. Or we should have brought welbeck on and put him out wide.

One of the goals was a pen. Both the other goal and the assist came when he was in the middle of the park which is where am saying he should have been more often.

Him on the left is still okay as he moves in, playing on the right makes little sense.
 
Always nice to see Rooney get on the scoresheet because then you know he will be scoring in the next few matches too.
 
Andrew~ said:
I would agree with this. If we have him playing up top with RVP in the diamond formation, or on the left in a 4231, I think it would release him for the responsibility of being the main creative fulcrum of the team and he'll be better for it. Both those positions would allow him to buzz around the pitch causing problems but not shackle him and also allow him to score goals, which he obviously likes doing.
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I think I might be a genius of some kind. :cool:

Albeit SAF did play him on the right instead of the left.
 
still a long way to go to even get close to shearer's record isn't he?

but should be united's and england's all time goalscorer by the end of his career.
 
ricky-romeo said:
still a long way to go to even get close to shearer's record isn't he?

but should be united's and england's all time goalscorer by the end of his career.
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In theory he should - Rooney has 32 goals at the age of 27, while Lineker was only on 23 goals at the same age and ended up just one shy of Charlton's record of 49. On the other hand, Owen was on 36 by Rooney's age but only netted another four. So he'll need to maintain fitness and a sufficiently advanced position for a good four years or so to break the record.
 


Great game from Rooney against Reading. Only thing I found a little frustrating was at 4.07 when he had room to 'attack the space' and we would have been 3 v 4 against them but he passed backwards. Apart from that, really good game. Hope he has a great game against City.
 
Our kits are really awfull. And that isn't even a red color(I know it's a bit different live, but on TV, they look more purple then red.
 
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