I completely disagree, when Rooney is shit he completely loses all semblance of a footballer. The ability to trap the ball and play simple passes completely disappears. He wasn't quite on that level tonight but he's wasn't good by any means.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I completely disagree, when Rooney is shit he completely loses all semblance of a footballer. The ability to trap the ball and play simple passes completely disappears. He wasn't quite on that level tonight but he's wasn't good by any means.
offered nothing tonight and hasn't for awhile..
Not sure I'd call setting up 2 in a 2 goal win not at all making a difference, but hey, maybe that's just me.
You must be joking, his shit is fecking woeful.
That first half he was playing far too deep and in the second half when he switched between getting forward and playing on the wing he looked like someone who hasn't played there for a while but it was still good to see him take some shots on today.
Not at his best today, but I'm not worried. If he had been, we'd have won this 3-0. As it is, it's one of the first times I've seen us play really nice football without him being in form.
The nice thing about having Kagawa and RVP is that if he ever does have one of his really bad spells, we've got both his goals and his creative play covered.
The nice thing about having Kagawa and RVP is that if he ever does have one of his really bad spells, we've got both his goals and his creative play covered.
He wasn't 'shit' tonight though. He got a lot wrong, but he did some great things right too. That 'assist' for the RVP shot which Demel heroically blocked was brilliant - received the ball and turned one man, sold a dummy to the next, then flicked a delicate little pass to the Dutchman.
That was genuinely the only good thing I remember from him. He had a good cross and a decent shot and other than that he didn't do a whole lot of anything. He did attempt to get Cleverley's leg broken a time or two though.
Well, agree to disagree. I think we've become so used to his contribution, we miss a lot of the things he does effortlessly which most can't. I'm not saying he wasn't bad, just that it wasn't a completely hopeless performance like, say, Young's.
I don't think anybody doubts that he can produce moments of brilliance in a game where he is for the most part of it off sync, Brightonian. Today he had a very underwhelming individual performance by his very high standards.
I agree that it wasn't completely hopeless, he's definitely played much worse. I'm just saying those three things were the only actual good things I remember him doing. Not that everything else he did was bad.
Heskeyrooney roday.
Fair enough. Like I say, I think it's encouraging that we can play well with him playing badly. We didn't use to be able to do that. Has a lot to do with Cleverley and Anderson, I think.
Rooney had a bit of a stinker today. You could see him getting a bit frustrated and I think his lack of goals this season is starting to weigh heavily on his mind.
I'm not sure he knows where he's supposed to be when playing behind 2 strikers rather than 1 - especially when we are playing with 3 centre midfielders aswell. It all gets a bit congested and Rooney thrives on space and wide runners.
Having said that he was very unlucky not to score today with his curling effort.
I'm not sure he knows where he's supposed to be when playing behind 2 strikers rather than 1 - especially when we are playing with 3 centre midfielders aswell. It all gets a bit congested and Rooney thrives on space and wide runners.
Having said that he was very unlucky not to score today with his curling effort.
I'm glad you think that because that's almost the exact point I tried to make after we lost to Aston Villa.
lad needs a fecking goal it's pretty obvious with his shooting as of late when it comes who knows... hopefully we get a peno
I think this is important to highlight. When its 2 midfielders Rooney can drop deep and be the 3rd man but when its 3 it can end up with him stepping on their toes. They'll need to play the diamond more so they get accustomed to how and when they need to interchange. You could see Rooney and Cleverley talking to each other and trying to figure it out but it wasn't quite there today and Rooney then adopted a shoot on sight policy every time he got space around the box which didn't help matters.
Wow. I rarely see you criticise our players. This is serious lads!
Back to Wayne, it really is annoying when he doesn't start the game well. He just can't get himself out of a hole. Either he picks it up or gets put on the bench. He was trying to do too much and it hinders our rhythm if he's playing poorly.
Really?!
I think Kagawa where Rooney was, and Rooney where Hernandez was tonight, and we'd have the makings of some of very attractive football. Kagawa would relish the oppurtunity to play behind players like him and RVP and in front of an energetic and in form Anderson.
That we needed to be able to play well without him playing well?
As long as van Persie and Chicharito are scoring, Rooney's happy to take the back seat. He'll be brilliant second half of the season, wait and see. I reckon some of the players are being primed to peak in the new year fitness wise...
I think Kagawa where Rooney was, and Rooney where Hernandez was tonight, and we'd have the makings of some of very attractive football. Kagawa would relish the oppurtunity to play behind players like him and RVP and in front of an energetic and in form Anderson.
Agreed. What The White Pele and 07 said about Rooney excelling when he essentially is the third midfielder, and has a bit of space, is the opposite of Kagawa. He actually thrives if it's a bit congested with our players, because his vision and speed of thought lets him use the multiplicity of opportunities as a good thing, rather than a confusing hindrance. It gives him more people to slide through-balls to.
That said, Rooney on-song would have been almost as effective tonight as Kagawa. Either would have seen us score a few more.
No, that we are capable of it.
I think they'll enjoy playing with each other, Kagawa will take some of the burden off Rooney which can only be a good thing.
Rooney did provide me with the most humorous part of the game mind... the moment about 70 minutes into the second half where Young wanted to take a short corner, and I swear I've never in my life seen anyone be less keen to take a short corner then Rooney. He strolled up to the corner and I swear he did so in hope that the West Ham defence would wise up... but as they were equally apathetic, he was compelled to play it short... and duly proceeded to put in a truly awful cross.
Well, it made me chuckle... to be fair to our Wayne, maybe it was the idea of taking a short corner with Ashley Young that was deterring him...
Well, it made me chuckle... to be fair to our Wayne, maybe it was the idea of taking a short corner with Ashley Young that was deterring him...
Potentially but in a different way. Kagawa sees the through-ball quicker and can play it much more consistently. That's his specialty. Rooney is just good at it but I agree. On form, Rooney is truly a joy to watch.
Weirdly, Skysports gave him man of the match yesterday.
Don't think he deserved it, but don't think he was half as woeful as you guys make out. However, it was extremely frustrating he couldn't get his shots on targets (except that curler which was a very good effort), his long range shooting really doesn't seem great at the moment.
Don't think he deserved it, but don't think he was half as woeful as you guys make out. However, it was extremely frustrating he couldn't get his shots on targets (except that curler which was a very good effort), his long range shooting really doesn't seem great at the moment.
Rooney has only to run onto the pitch and pick his nose for Sky to award him MOM. Whereas, if De Gea drops his towel in the tunnel, he's had a shocker.
In fairness, they didn't seem in awe of his performance, and they usually give it to a frontman. This is what they said:
I would've personnaly put Evans, Rafael and Ando in front of him, but he would've been in the second tier of players, performance-wise, yesterday.
I would've personnaly put Evans, Rafael and Ando in front of him, but he would've been in the second tier of players, performance-wise, yesterday.
Yet more stellar journalism from Sky Sports. Next week: why Jamie Carragher is still the best centre half in the PL.
Sky ratings: Rafael was poor, always out of position, rash in the tackle, lapses of concentration.
Rooney, didn't play well, heartbeat of the side, always looked a threat. Motm
Rooney, didn't play well, heartbeat of the side, always looked a threat. Motm
Wayne's probably clued up that most short corners are a waste of time.
We're playing him too deep. I think Pete's probably right in saying that temperamentally he's not suited to playing right up top and playing with that kind of discipline, he loves to be on the ball and fair play to him for that because he is one of the few players that will always try to make a difference, but he's not strong enough technically or consistent enough to play such a key role in our build-up play. Play him there for England, sure, but for an elite club it hinders the team (compared to playing him as a striker - I still maintain playing him in the team will always improve us). If we end up pushing Kagawa out wide to keep Rooney in this position it'll just harm our game, IMO. Just shows what an impossible job Sir Alex has because for years he was criticised for playing Rooney too far forward but there you go, I never thought so myself and it's further reinforced by his performances in the role since.
Perhaps I'm being harsh and given time he'll really develop another side of his game from playing here but I'm not seeing it. That Rooney in the second half of 10/11 was the best we've ever seen, combining his creative game of his earlier years with his productivity of his latter years, and it does give me some hope...but even then he was playing considerably further up the pitch, and it was based on Hernandez creating so much space for him whereas what we're doing now is only congesting things. Rooney has never been someone who will thrive in congested areas.
Perhaps I'm being harsh and given time he'll really develop another side of his game from playing here but I'm not seeing it. That Rooney in the second half of 10/11 was the best we've ever seen, combining his creative game of his earlier years with his productivity of his latter years, and it does give me some hope...but even then he was playing considerably further up the pitch, and it was based on Hernandez creating so much space for him whereas what we're doing now is only congesting things. Rooney has never been someone who will thrive in congested areas.
I think Rooney will be the first to admit that it wasnt his best game. I felt he played to deep, i often got confused between Rooney and Cleverly. I think he should sit behind the lead striker and change that from time to time. However im not inagreement that he drops completely into the midfield.
I don't like him in the deep lying striker role, his feet aren't quick enough, his touch not consistent enough and he can't beat a man. I prefer him 15yrds further back as an attacking midfielder, it's a more generalised role where he can do a bit everything, his strongest asset. He has a bit more time there and a few more options.
I'm not happy with his recent performances at all, last game wasn't his first poor game this month.
How many shots did he have? And how many weren't over the bar?
When Nani had about 5 shots in game against Wigan where we were winning by 4-0 people were saying he shouldn't be doing that, and that he is too selfish, but when Rooney takes 5 awfull shots(plus one that was good) from 30meters in game where we are leading by just one goal, then it's good to see him taking some shots.
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