Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Sparky_Hughes said:
I am, I should Imagine if he is as slack in training as some articles have made out it would be fairly widely known within top flight circles.( I have no idea if its true or not)
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All reports from people who actually know what they're talking about suggest he's good in training, and a hard worker. Fergie, Phelan, Giggs, Hodgson and a number of others have all made a point to say so. The media occasionally just drop that line because it fits with the general 'Rooney is fat and disloyal' line which ABUs and caftard-types like to hear.

I would imagine the reason not many clubs are in for him is that we're not selling. You know, like Fergie and Moyes have both said repeatedly.
 
Freak said:
Ridiculous things have happened in football before. There are murmurs of mata not being a Mourinho type player.
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I'm hanging onto the ludicrous hope that Jose's an idiot who doesn't like Mata 'cos he's close to the dreaded Rafa B.
 
If SAF was still in charge would Rooney have climbed down by now? SAF threw it out there in the public domain and he also said Rooney just needed to get his head right, obviously with Moyes in now Stretford reckons the game of brinkmanship is a fair bit easier.
 
Brightonian said:
All reports from people who actually know what they're talking about suggest he's good in training, and a hard worker. Fergie, Phelan, Giggs, Hodgson and a number of others have all made a point to say so. The media occasionally just drop that line because it fits with the general 'Rooney is fat and disloyal' line which ABUs and caftard-types like to hear.

I would imagine the reason not many clubs are in for him is that we're not selling. You know, like Fergie and Moyes have both said repeatedly.
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I'd tend to agree. Whilst he doesn't look particularly athletic when he takes his shirt off, he's clearly fit by the amount he runs around. Not many other forwards have the energy to get back and make tackles covering the fullbacks, and then rejoin the attack during the same passage of play. The amount of times he has done this over the years is astonishing, yet he's an unfit fatty.
 
Brightonian said:
All reports from people who actually know what they're talking about suggest he's good in training, and a hard worker. Fergie, Phelan, Giggs, Hodgson and a number of others have all made a point to say so. The media occasionally just drop that line because it fits with the general 'Rooney is fat and disloyal' line which ABUs and caftard-types like to hear.

I would imagine the reason not many clubs are in for him is that we're not selling. You know, like Fergie and Moyes have both said repeatedly.
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Quite possibly, as I said I have no idea which is the case. I just think regardless of the club saying he isn't for sale you would have thought there would be more interest. If Messi started making noises about being unhappy at Barca but the club said he was not for sale do you honestly think no one would be trying their luck with bids? There has to either be some reason no one else is bidding, or behind the scenes his agent has made it clear his heart is set on Chelsea and its a waste of time trying to dissuade him.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
If SAF was still in charge would Rooney have climbed down by now? SAF threw it out there in the public domain and he also said Rooney just needed to get his head right, obviously with Moyes in now Stretford reckons the game of brinkmanship is a fair bit easier.
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No, the scene for this was set by Fergie. This has been coming for ages and I think Fergie's final act was to call his bluff. Moyes is just continuing a path that had already been laid out. I think the club want rid of him and are hanging out for the best price.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
No, the scene for this was set by Fergie. This has been coming for ages and I think Fergie's final act was to call his bluff. Moyes is just continuing a path that had already been laid out. I think the club want rid of him and are hanging out for the best price.
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Or waiting until they've made some signings of their own. I think Rooney's exit would be much easier to take if we had already signed someone like Cesc. Either way, I think Rooney has made his mind up that he wants to leave and the club will certainly sell under the right conditions. I just wish it wasn't going to drag out for the rest of the summer.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
No, the scene for this was set by Fergie. This has been coming for ages and I think Fergie's final act was to call his bluff. Moyes is just continuing a path that had already been laid out. I think the club want rid of him and are hanging out for the best price.
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Surely it should be about what Moyes wants.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
No, the scene for this was set by Fergie. This has been coming for ages and I think Fergie's final act was to call his bluff. Moyes is just continuing a path that had already been laid out. I think the club want rid of him and are hanging out for the best price.
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I don't think they bargained on there being so little interest though, unless Stretford flashed his legs at Chelsea early doors. In which case we've played this poorly because going to Chelsea is the one thing you didn't want.
 
Rooney's stock amongst fans has depleted significantly this Summer. Whilst many agree he's still a very good player, he's apparently gone too far this time.

Why is it then, that when fans booed have booed him, the other players at the parade, and other appearances have seemed to be ok in his presence? Do they know more than we do (i.e. Rooney isn't close to as bad as the media is portraying), or are they papering over the cracks when in public?
 
Bryan_Munich said:
Surely it should be about what Moyes wants.
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Judging by Woodward saying something about being happy to let his contract run down and Moyes' comments about Wayne being important if RVP gets injured, I think it's what Moyes does want, or the relationship was beyond saving.

Still, what do we know. He'll probably stay and get 30 goals now :lol:
 
Brightonian said:
All reports from people who actually know what they're talking about suggest he's good in training, and a hard worker. Fergie, Phelan, Giggs, Hodgson and a number of others have all made a point to say so. The media occasionally just drop that line because it fits with the general 'Rooney is fat and disloyal' line which ABUs and caftard-types like to hear.
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And yet Sir Alex publicly raised the matter of Rooney's fitness only last season.

Rooney looked obviously laboured in his two performances at the Euros but then maybe Vegas took its toll on him.

It's not about him being fat, that is so very tabloid of you by the way, it is about Rooney taking his conditioning seriously and particularly so at this stage of his career. He would presumably want to the club to invest him his future in terms of a new contract and place in the side, recent evidenc has understandably cast that in doubt.
 
duffer said:
Theoretically, if we paid Fabregas and offered to swap him for Rooney, would you lot accept it?
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Ugh, maybe very very begrudgingly. I don't like getting rid of current players except because they're not good enough. But for perhaps the best possible solution to our most obvious weakness, it would be hard to resist.
 
duffer said:
Theoretically, if we paid Fabregas and offered to swap him for Rooney, would you lot accept it?
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It's really hard to know without knowing the full story. In the abstract, no, because it strengthens a team that will be, in my opinion, really strong this season. But obviously you don't know whether Rooney's capable of playing his best if we do refuse him a move and, if not, whether we're willing to take a big hit on his fee to stand our ground. If this can be mended and we feel that he can still be a top player for us, then I think it's madness to even consider selling him to a domestic rival. The potential downside is too great. I genuinely believe that Rooney at Chelsea would win you the title.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
And yet Sir Alex publicly raised the matter of Rooney's fitness only last season.

Rooney looked obviously laboured in his two performances at the Euros but then maybe Vegas took its toll on him.

It's not about him being fat, that is so very tabloid of you by the way, it is about Rooney taking his conditioning seriously and particularly so at this stage of his career. He would presumably want to the club to invest him his future in terms of a new contract and place in the side, recent evidenc has understandably cast that in doubt.
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Well I was referring to how the tabloids talk about him, so that would make sense...
 
ArmchairCritic said:
If SAF was still in charge would Rooney have climbed down by now? SAF threw it out there in the public domain and he also said Rooney just needed to get his head right, obviously with Moyes in now Stretford reckons the game of brinkmanship is a fair bit easier.
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Well he's already had his way with Moyes at Everton by getting a transfer to United. Maybe more scared of Sir Alex than Moyes. Now Sir Alex has left feels more confident to act like a dick.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Judging by Woodward saying something about being happy to let his contract run down and Moyes' comments about Wayne being important if RVP gets injured, I think it's what Moyes does want, or the relationship was beyond saving.

Still, what do we know. He'll probably stay and get 30 goals now :lol:
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To be fair, those Moyes quotes were taken out of context. Maybe he knew they would be.

Hard to know what to believe.
 
If I was Rooney I would be insulted at what chelski was offering. It doesn't really show they are that interested when they don't make an offer that United cannot refuse.
 
If we were to keep the tubby scouse bastard the last thing we should do is give him a new contract. He will have to perform if he wishes to impress potential paymasters if he wants to maintain his current salary.
 
Cina said:
People have short memories of our players on the pitch when they (allegedly) act like cnuts off it.
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Or that people acknowledge that there can come a time where it is mutually beneficial to part company, that United can evolve without Rooney and the player find something necessary to his motivation elsewhere.

Others paint him as irreplaceable even in last season's guise, neither the stats nor performances quite square with such theory yet it exists.
 
duffer said:
Theoretically, if we paid Fabregas and offered to swap him for Rooney, would you lot accept it?
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Nope. I wouldnt sell to Chelsea unless it was an absolutely ridiculous price, like say 50mil as I really think a top striker is all you need to win the title. Same can be said about us with Fabregas in it but I somehow can never get my head around selling to a local rival.
 
Heardy said:
Rooney's stock amongst fans has depleted significantly this Summer. Whilst many agree he's still a very good player, he's apparently gone too far this time.

Why is it then, that when fans booed have booed him, the other players at the parade, and other appearances have seemed to be ok in his presence? Do they know more than we do (i.e. Rooney isn't close to as bad as the media is portraying), or are they papering over the cracks when in public?
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Because they are professionals not children.....If there are people you don't like at work do you make the best of it or sit behind them throwing things at them and smearing poo on their chair? :lol:
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Because they are professionals not children.....If there are people you don't like at work do you make the best of it or sit behind them throwing things at them and smearing poo on their chair? :lol:
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Players are a lot more understanding (that it's a job at the end of the day) than fans. Tevez gets a friendly reception from United players, Nasri from Arsenal players, etc, etc.
 
Heardy said:
Rooney's stock amongst fans has depleted significantly this Summer. Whilst many agree he's still a very good player, he's apparently gone too far this time.

Why is it then, that when fans booed have booed him, the other players at the parade, and other appearances have seemed to be ok in his presence? Do they know more than we do (i.e. Rooney isn't close to as bad as the media is portraying), or are they papering over the cracks when in public?
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Ah Jaysus will this window ever close it's driving people bananas.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Because they are professionals not children.....If there are people you don't like at work do you make the best of it or sit behind them throwing things at them and smearing poo on their chair? :lol:
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It's not even that they don't like him - I imagine he's still very popular in the dressing room.

If I told everyone at work that I was looking for a new job, I don't imagine everyone would begin to hate me - it would just be business as usual.
 
Rooneys situation is like that of Fabregas

One statement from them is all it takes for all the transfer speculation to die down
 
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