I wonder how he's scored 28 goals in the champions league (14 in knock out rounds) if its the premier league defenders who are making him look good. Let us not forget that all these other premier league stars play against the same defenders, Bale, Suarez, Mata etc. Yet Rooney has done this for 9 years and hasn't been 'found out' like you put it. Maybe there was nothing to find out, maybe he's just a quality player and that most people on this forum are too blinded (because of their hatred for him) to realise.
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I wonder how he's scored 28 goals in the champions league (14 in knock out rounds) if its the premier league defenders who are making him look good. Let us not forget that all these other premier league stars play against the same defenders, Bale, Suarez, Mata etc. Yet Rooney has done this for 9 years and hasn't been 'found out' like you put it. Maybe there was nothing to find out, maybe he's just a quality player and that most people on this forum are too blinded (because of their hatred for him) to realise.
It wasn't really the age old rivalry that was my point, it was more to do with the fact we took such a firm stance in not selling to a club we didn't want him to go to and I think the same applies here. Why would we want to strengthen Chelsea, and for £25m, they're not even starting to twist our arm. It's pretty clear that sort of money isn't important to us. It's like cutting open the golden goose as far as the Glazers are concerned. Why weaken our chances of winning the league? Winning the league is worth a lot more than £25m in terms of not only money "Won" from it but also global brand and how that can be exploited.
Yeah that's how I see it. If he doesn't get the move and if Chelsea sign someone else then he's a bit stumped. There wouldn't really be any big clubs for him to go to and play as a number 9. With the WC coming up, I personally think that whatever people think of his decision making/how much money drives him, he'd want to do well in that tournament ad so I don't think he wouldn't try. As you said if he went awol though, then we'd save on his wages by fining him. That's why I think he's keeping quiet. Keeps his options open, he's got a much better of getting the fans of his back if the move doesn't happen by not committing to a transfer request than if he puts one in. I guess if the rumors are true that he wants his move we'll see how desperate he is.
In fairness, I could very well be completely wrong. I'd definitely admit this if it proved to be the case (in future). I see a player who wants all the rewards & acclaim while effectively coasting through games (unless he feels like turning up); but it could actually be that he's lost faith in managers past and present & entirely lacks enthusiasm, rather than the hunger or will to be that special player again.
If we sell Rooney to Chelsea without replacing him with a player of equal quality we might as well drive the trophy to Stamford Bridge now.
Ideally for us we would get 40m for him and all of our fitness/form concerns would come true and blow up in Chelsea's face. Once Rooney gets that last big contract he is angling for what is his motivation?
That would be my preference. Unless Chelsea start making serious offers they can feck off. Based on his ability, premiership experience, buying from a rival, his marketability and the inflated prices nowadays, negotiating starts at 45 million.
If RVP on his final year was bought for 25 million then why should we sell Rooney who is 2 years younger and an extra year left on his contract.
His "people" would surely have issued a statement by now if it was his preference to stay.
He has the opportunity to become the all time top goalscorer for Manchester united and be talked about for decades and decades to come as a club legend, and he wants to go to fecking Chelsea? I mean seriously WTF? I could possibly understand his thinking if it was Madrid or Barcelona, but fecking Chelsea?
He has the opportunity to become the all time top goalscorer for Manchester united and be talked about for decades and decades to come as a club legend, and he wants to go to fecking Chelsea? I mean seriously WTF? I could possibly understand his thinking if it was Madrid or Barcelona, but fecking Chelsea?
25 million
feck of chelsea
If he was a Chelsea player in similar circumstances how much would you be happy for Utd to pay for him?
£25m for him sounds alright to me.
Good points but to assume that just about every critic hates Rooney is to use a convenient myth; just like "it's the papers making all this stuff up". It doesn't wash - I love Rooney when he's representing the club as he should; I dislike him only when he doesn't make sufficient effort. Practially everything else - even the disgreements with SAF - is just background noise compared to how much effort he makes in matches. That's the time when he puts his money where his mouth is, so to speak, and should shut up even those who do hate him.
Hopefully Woody will turn around and say, ok if you want him this summer then your going to have to break the world fecking record for him. £100 million or feck off!
(I know it's ridiculous, but this whole fecking thing is so infuriating).
(I know it's ridiculous, but this whole fecking thing is so infuriating).
I agree with this. I think I'd go sick seeing him score vs Utd at Old Trafford and do something like kissing a badge.
Only if we get Mata plus cash in a deal would I be happy to let him go Chelsea. This isn't the same as RVP to United, this would majorly strengthen a title challenging rival. So we'd need to weaken them in the process.
We paid 25 million for RVP who was 2 years older and had only 1 year left.
25m is taking the piss. 40m and we could start negotiation
Judging from Rooney's interviews, I think this is what his situation is:
He feels that he's played in various positions to help the team throughout the years and he was fine with that. However, now he is 27 and should be entering his peak and he feels he has shifted positions enough now over the years and that others should be moved around or that we buy a midfielder instead of him plugging gaps wherever. I don't think he has a problem with RVP being the main striker, he just wants that number 10 position and wants to be closer to goal rather than closer to his back four because of our lack of midfielders.
He feels that he's played in various positions to help the team throughout the years and he was fine with that. However, now he is 27 and should be entering his peak and he feels he has shifted positions enough now over the years and that others should be moved around or that we buy a midfielder instead of him plugging gaps wherever. I don't think he has a problem with RVP being the main striker, he just wants that number 10 position and wants to be closer to goal rather than closer to his back four because of our lack of midfielders.
Nah! they will have to pay Abramovic tax and selling to a major rival tax, £35-40m is what I expect.
Maybe Chelsea are doing what the club tried to do with Fabregas. Testing the player's resolve and see he'll be the one to kick things off (hand in a proper and formal transfer request)
Tell me about it mate.
I think he'd be a success at Chelsea personally. Obviously it's only a prediction but we know how good Mourinho is motivational wise, and if he can pick his confidence up they have a quality player in my opinion. I think he'd fit in we'll with the attacking players Chelsea already have at the club, and when his confidence is high he is still a quality player for me.
If he does go, which I hope he doesn't personally, Chelsea have be a last resort if the club end up wanting to get shut. After all he has done for the club I'd hate to see him in a blue shirt. People seem to forget just how good a player he has been for this club, but he has put that criticism upon himself to some extent.
I think you're probably right. When he found out Fergie was leaving, he probably had a bit of hope that it could all turn around for him.... then Moyes comes in. You've got to laugh. Especially when Moyes comes out publicly and calls him Van Persie's understudy
PLaying devils advocate for a second and looking from his perspective, he's been here for coming on 10 years and sees himself as a senior member of the squad. He's paid his dues to the team by playing in various positions over the years and we've benefited from it. He's in his peak years now and probably looks at the respect the likes of Giggs, Scholes and Ferdinand have commanded from the Manager in terms of playing every game in their favoured position. He wants to be our main striker leading the line, alongside Van Persie rather than behind him, deeper or wider. I think he wants to look back on his years and see regular 30+ goals a season like the likes of Ronaldo and Messi and be remembered for that rather than looking back on 20 goals a season and thinking what should have been.
Kagawa on the second part of his last season on BVB has been a better No.10 than Rooney ever was. But he needs to be more consistent of course and Rooney at times seemed like a leader on the pitch, an attribute that I don't think Kagawa have. Still, I can see him being very competent and as good/better than Rooney of last season.
Not to a domestic rival it's not. He could be the difference between us and Chelsea winning the title this coming season.
£25 million wouldn't look like such a good deal if he's the key factor in a Chelsea title victory would it?
Is it the general consensus that Rooney hasn't played well for 2 seasons? The season when City won the league was his best ever return of goals and assists. Him, Valencia and Nani carried us that year. I'd argue he was just as good then as he was in 09/10.
Yeah, he's a bit of an arse. Most footballers are. He's made a massive contribution to United though. Huge. More so than most players who have ever played for United. I can't say I particularly love him, but I'd still hate for him to leave. A great player to watch, even last season, which was apparently his worst, he still had spells of great games. Away to City, him and Young bossed that first half. Those goals against Fulham and Norwich etc. Even in midfield he put in some great shifts. There were a few patchy games, but even RvP had some poor outings. It happens. I hope he stays and kicks on. Until he categorically comes out and publicly hands in a transfer request, then I don't really have any ill-feeling against him. If he wants to return to the team and kick on, great. If he wants to leave, then whatever.
I think if he was truly hell-bent on a move, he would have milked that hamstring injury, and not have been immediately back into training, playing practice matches and the like. Can't fault his professionalism throughout, as this is usually when players are "missing" from squads. I believe he may be open to a move, but I still think there's a chance he'll choose to stay and just get on with it.
Yeah, he's a bit of an arse. Most footballers are. He's made a massive contribution to United though. Huge. More so than most players who have ever played for United. I can't say I particularly love him, but I'd still hate for him to leave. A great player to watch, even last season, which was apparently his worst, he still had spells of great games. Away to City, him and Young bossed that first half. Those goals against Fulham and Norwich etc. Even in midfield he put in some great shifts. There were a few patchy games, but even RvP had some poor outings. It happens. I hope he stays and kicks on. Until he categorically comes out and publicly hands in a transfer request, then I don't really have any ill-feeling against him. If he wants to return to the team and kick on, great. If he wants to leave, then whatever.
I think if he was truly hell-bent on a move, he would have milked that hamstring injury, and not have been immediately back into training, playing practice matches and the like. Can't fault his professionalism throughout, as this is usually when players are "missing" from squads. I believe he may be open to a move, but I still think there's a chance he'll choose to stay and just get on with it.
Glad we rejected it. Who the feck bids for a player on a Sunday night? Arseholes.
I hope Chelsea carry on bidding and we carry on turning you down. It will get to the last day of the window and you still wont have that much needed striker you wanted this summer and we keep one of our best players. How this is a win for you I've no idea...
Tbf though a lot of the reason he was moved around is because of his own performances. If he stayed fitter and maintained more consistency to his game then he would be a fixture in a position. That's the really disappointing thing about this so far, it seems that he really doesn't have the maturity to accept that a large part of the problem is himself. Fair enough strengthening the midfield might allow him to stay higher up the pitch, or that at times he's been asked to fill in, in all honesty that's partly why he's paid so much I imagine, but it's really his own fault that he's not always started in the hole, and particularly for instance that he missed the Real home game.
Excellent post mate.
And that's it in a nutshell: if he doesn't make the massive move of requesting a transfer, then I'll consider (rightly or wrongly) that he's happy enough to stay. The TR, or lack of one, is the proof of the pudding, for me at least.
Nope. Kagawa was one of the best No.10 in the world during those months. He was the best BVB player and performed excellently. Rooney's play was very average during last season when he played as No.10 despite his good end product. On 2010-2011 he was shit for the biggest part of the season. These are his only two seasons when he played most of the time as a No.10 player.
RvP was on fire the season before we bought him. There's to many question marks around Rooney regarding his form, what's going on in his head etc for me to go splashing £40m odd on him. I'm not to sure if the tables were reversed that Utd fans would want us to spend that amount on him.
During the 10/11 run-in, Rooney was in the form of his life behind Hernandez and helped us win the title and get to the CL final (where he was probably our only good player on the day). I'm not sure what the hell you were watching.
Being biased against your club's players is plain stupid, in the end: I mean, what are you supposed to do if that player scores a winning goal, or helps us to a cup or title - grudgingly post "Huh, at last he did something useful"? Bloody idiocy and sulkiness. If Rooney leaves, I'm not going to go out of my way to slate him; if he stays, great, he'll be helping the team I support.
If Rooney hands in an official transfer request, would he be a bigger traitor than judas if he leave in your opinion? For me he would the most hated to have played for United. And this is the same Rooney that has been my favourite player up until that saga in 2010..
It looks like he will hand in a transfer request, once he does that he will go and we will need to start planning ahead.
On the contrary, if he's looking for one last big pay day, it would completely negate what Chelsea are offering him if he was to lose the loyalty payout with us, hence why it is so important to him to force it through organically.
You do realise that we are well within our rights to turn down his transfer request. If we don't want to sell him it will change nothing.
Apart from having a player who does not want to play for the club, it's an insult to the shirt.
Well if you forget the matches before March then yeah you're right.
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