Mourinho has courted him for years and he is the kind of manager players want to work under, plus he is best mates with Ashley Cole and gets on well with John Terry.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Mourinho has courted him for years and he is the kind of manager players want to work under, plus he is best mates with Ashley Cole and gets on well with John Terry.
Don't suppose there's any word whether he'll be playing tomorrow or not?
Which tells you everything you need to know about the prick.
Heh, was just about to say. Fits in well with that crowd.
I don't want us to sell him to Chelsea but if we do I hope it's for a big fee. The way things are going though it doesn't seem as though they're going to bid that high.
I don't want us to sell him to Chelsea but if we do I hope it's for a big fee. The way things are going though it doesn't seem as though they're going to bid that high.
Chelsea obviously get the impression they can grab him on the cheap, hence the 2 ridiculous offers so far. I think this is why we've been so adamant that he's not for sale even though everyone knows that in reality he is.
Chelsea either need to get real and be offering in the region of 35-40mil or Rooney really needs to force this and hand in a request.
Chelsea either need to get real and be offering in the region of 35-40mil or Rooney really needs to force this and hand in a request.
Right, he's gone. I've got my head around it now.
Positives:
- Kagawa can play behind RVP and do just as good a job, if not better.
- Should RVP go tits up, then we have 2 good strikers to come in.
- Rooney, regardless of decent stats, has not performed well enough for 2 seasons to justify his wages.
- The club will get at least 30m for him
Negatives:
- I know he is going to play well for Chelsea. I feel he would be good this season, should he have stayed at united, under Moyes.
- This is bound to bite us on the arse at some stage.
- Doesn't look good for the clubs reputation, loosing a big name to a title rival.
I'm sure there are many, many more pros/cons, but i'm just trying to make myself feel better.
Do you think the club needs to buy a replacement?
Positives:
- Kagawa can play behind RVP and do just as good a job, if not better.
- Should RVP go tits up, then we have 2 good strikers to come in.
- Rooney, regardless of decent stats, has not performed well enough for 2 seasons to justify his wages.
- The club will get at least 30m for him
Negatives:
- I know he is going to play well for Chelsea. I feel he would be good this season, should he have stayed at united, under Moyes.
- This is bound to bite us on the arse at some stage.
- Doesn't look good for the clubs reputation, loosing a big name to a title rival.
I'm sure there are many, many more pros/cons, but i'm just trying to make myself feel better.
Do you think the club needs to buy a replacement?
25 million?! 
Add another 20 and maybe
Add another 20 and maybe
Rooney just wants to move to Chelsea for those famous pensioners hes heard all about...
Got a feeling he's got the wrong end of the stick though.
Got a feeling he's got the wrong end of the stick though.
This has been done to death all Summer. Personally I don't think we need to bring in another forward because of the reasons you mentioned (Hernandez, Welbeck and Kagawa) but I would definitely like to see us spend the money in midfield and out wide on some genuine top talent.
If he wants to leave, then let him leave - but I think it'll be horrible for us if he goes to Chelsea. He'll haunt us I'm sure of it.
Well the fresh bid says £25million + add ons. Sounds like someone his just misspelled Mata. Easily done.
I'm absolutely sure a move will rejuvenate him. He's a brilliant player, he's just gone a bit stale at United over the last couple years.
25 million?!
Add another 20 and maybe
They probably will before the end of the window.
Doesn't always work out like that. Look at Torres, Shevchenko.....
Shevchenko was coming from another league. Those things happen. As for Torres, most called it from the off. He was already broken at Liverpool.
I'll comments on the above in order:
1) Kagawa being better than Rooney is incredibly speculative. Rooney has shown he can score a bucket load of goals, he can make the whole team better by his hard working and all action style. I don't think Kagawa offers as much in his all round game as Rooney, but I do agree he could do a very good job as a number 2 behind a main striker like RVP
2) Disagree, Hernandez is excellent, Welbeck is average. Kagawa is not a main striker. I agree we have a reasonable level of cover, but wouldn't make bold statements like 2 good strikers, as that suggests no problem, where as I think if Rooney left and RVP was injured we would struggle in some bigger games. That being said the movement of Hernandez with Kagawa's passing and interplay could be very good.
3) His wages probably are too high, but he has still given a lot in terms of goals, assists and all round play, but maybe not as good as the top end his wages should demand.
4) Worth far more than 30m, positive would be at least 50-60m, 40-50 would be fair, Below 40m is negative. No way can we replace him with a player as good for that price and if to Chelsea the price would have to be far more to make up for heavily strengthening a key rival.
5) I would suggest we do if we don't want to take gambles. Henriquez could make up our 4 strikers or 5 if you include Kagawa, thus we are not desperate, but I would be keen to see at least one strong strikers come in.
Henriquez, Kagawa, and Hernandez are all light-weight. Welbeck is reasonably strong, but I don't think as physical as Rooney. We would need a more physical striker to replace Rooney and ensure we still have the power in the final 3rd when up against strong defences.
Nah he would be fantastic under Jose methinks....who will pour love over him as Ferguson didn't. Playing him as the main man up front linking with Mata, Hazard and Oscar....his first touch would soon return as would his verve for bullying defenders and providing lethal finishing.
It would be the worst place for him to go if you are a United supporter.
How anyone can conclude that Kagawa is a better #10 than Rooney is beyond me.
There's a massive difference between the Rooney of earlier years & the current player. There's absolutely no guarantee that he would turn into the terror of the Premier League once more, at Chelsea or elsewhere. It's 'magical thinking' to believe that a player with known fitness, injury, attitude and general playing-concerns would become that brilliant footballer again. He's unlikely to be a game-changer in terms of titles, as he once was.
I think it's a little too early to come up with this sort of conclusion. Mourinho is a great motivator and exactly what Rooney could need to become the great player he can be. A change of scenery and a great motivator impacting Rooney isn't magical thinking Steve.
At this moment in time, yes. Which is exactly why we won't allow it to happen, in my opinion.
Considering that it's only February-March of this year since we last saw that player, it's not really magical thinking.
Certainly, this could happen. But even now, when he's apparently at his leanest, he looks more unwell than fit to me; and it's this kind of thing which makes me believe his best days are long past.
I just wish we'd issue a press statement stating that Manchester United will never sell Rooney to another premiership club.
The thought of him signing for that lot sickens me.
25 million
feck of chelsea
feck of chelsea
I think it'd be better to wait for actual performances on the field before making that assumption. We have seen nothing from him in preseason and I never underestimate the motivational powers of Mourinho. Chelsea to sign him would extremely bad for Utd directly and indirectly.
They know full well that they are the only club he wants to move to and they know that we know that.
If we refused to sell Heinze to Liverpool, I'll be shocked if we sell Rooney to Chelsea.
If we refused to sell Heinze to Liverpool, I'll be shocked if we sell Rooney to Chelsea.
I'm not speaking from personal bias, chief. Last season, I saw a player who couldn't even raise his leg high enough to trap the ball - on several occasions - because of his build or fitness or whatever. If PL defenders were better & more proactive, he'd have been 'found out' a while ago (IMO).
Quite. But it's similar, in its own way, to assumptions that 'on his day...Rooney' will suddenly become '2007 Rooney' or '2004 Rooney'.
It's definitely not his build because Rooney can be very sound technically, I think he was fully fit for whatever reasons and he clearly lacked motivation and focus in many matches.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Generally speaking, though, technique is normally the last thing a player loses - only fatigue does that to a pro. I'm claiming that Wayne doesn't have the mental strength, let alone the professional ethic, to be effectively reborn as a player.
I'd rather we lose him on a free in two years time or sell him at a reduced rate next summer to a foreign team than see him strutting his stuff for another PL team.
People forget that most of us were counting the days until he was fit to return last season, as our team play was so fecking poor while he was injured.
If we sell him we have to go out and buy another top class striker. But who's available? Nobody.
I don't see it that way, I'd get you if Rooney had a truly terrible season from August to May. I'd understand your reservation about him ever getting back to his best but he really wasn't that horrible last season. Rooney doesn't have or doesn't want to be a 04 or 07 type of player anymore because he wants to score goals, wants to be a proper striker. Last season Rooney wasn't comparable to say Torres in his last season with Liverpool where you could see he wasn't the same anymore without his pace.
It's not quite the same as with Liverpool, where there have been no transfers in 40 odd years. You sold Veron to us, for example.
No we don't. I think that this has been cleared by now. Moyes plays 4-5-1 and we have RVP, Chicha and Welbeck for that position. We also have Kagawa as a No.10. I don't know what is this that we need to replace him when we have signed two great/very good players last season that plays there.
I think we'd rather do that too. He'll be nearly 30 when that happens and that's his problem. He signed a huge, huge contract with us and made his 4 poster california king sized bed and now the poor chap has to sleep in the silk sheets. It's his problem if he doesn't like it. If he wants to go down the Tevez route of playing silly buggers, it'll save us a pretty penny in his wages.
...and that just happens to coincide with concerns over his general fitness (his coaches' concerns and perhaps even his own). So, in essence, United's management are being asked to lessen their 'demands' over his work, his work-rate and his fitness standards. Sure, he's good as a striker & perhaps it is his most-wanted position...but it's an awfully convenient solution for Rooney himself.
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