Yeah, I forgot about that, I though Rafael and Valencia played one-two.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Not fullyI never accused of saying we were gonna win with wayne. However, I think you're going to have a hard time telling me that it wasn't implied.
I don't disagree about Rooney but at the same time, I do want people to recognize that he's been on the pitch when we've had some poor matches this season so let's not make him out to be our savior.
you think you're some sort of psychic now ? There wasn't anything implied..
Psychic. Never. When someone says Rooney would have made a difference, couldnt that imply he could have changed proceedings had he played yesterday?You said it's noticeable when he doesn't play. Let's not forget that Rooney has been in the team when we've played poorly as well. Your statement is basically saying Rooney has a major impact on this team, right? If that's the case, someone with such importance could influence the game in our favor. It's not necessarily implying we would have won yesterday. It's implying at the very least, there's a good chance with Rooney's inclusion, we wouldn't have lost.
I get what you're saying though. Your intention was not to imply anything further than what you said.
Not playing Rooney isn't what cost us the game, but he sure as hell would've made a difference.
The team that's playing and SAF's decisions are the ones to blame when we lose, but it's no mistery to me that whenever we play without Rooney we're poor. Not saying we play like champions everytime he's out there, but we do play like crap pretty much every time he's not.
SAF could've avoided all of this ofcourse by not being his usual stubborn self, but you know that's never going to change, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.
The team that's playing and SAF's decisions are the ones to blame when we lose, but it's no mistery to me that whenever we play without Rooney we're poor. Not saying we play like champions everytime he's out there, but we do play like crap pretty much every time he's not.
SAF could've avoided all of this ofcourse by not being his usual stubborn self, but you know that's never going to change, and hindsight is a wonderful thing.
and how did he come to this conclusion? It cant be based on giggs' performances this year as he has been horrible nearly every single time he has played.
We might not be run by fools, but it isn't out of the question to call them short sighted. And if we did look at numbers and decided that it wasn't worth keeping Ronaldo... then I question that wisdom... especially when two years later we caved in to an unhappy striker and offered Rooney a significant pay raise for pouting. I have never understood that logic.
Ronaldo should have been offered a bumper contract after the 2007-2008 season when he clearly was the best player in the world. Instead the club "stuck to their guns" and told him no dice, managing to isolate him in the process. Again... easy to leave and follow your dream when they triple your wages. I wonder who was going to triple Rooney's wages? I wonder if 400K a week for Rooney is something even City might not see as a great deal.
You point out Ronaldo's unhappiness. What's Ronaldo's goal per game ratio at Madrid? A goal a game, roughly? Is it fair to say he has actually gotten better as a footballer since going there... yet at the same time, factoring his bouts of sadness, he hasn't always been happy there? So we can say that the guy still produces even when he is not all that thrilled with his surroundings (unlike Rooney, who's play goes drastically downhill when he is unhappy or questions the club openly). And our investment back in 2007-08 would have been in a great player who was only going to get better.
Bumping this thread for those who said we'd see the difference with Rooney back. Apparently not. We just have deeper issues
He has been our best player, not hard but by a distance
@Plato: would you at least let the match finish before making that conclusion ?
We should bring him on in the second half.
I don't think he has, Welbeck has been better for me and so much more desire than anyone else. Said in the matchday thread but particularly without a winger who will get in behind we need someone who can thread the ball through centrally and for me Rooney as the deeper of the strikers should be doing that more.
Can you read? That first half is enough to tell us you're not going to see Rooney doing much if our side is unbalanced. It's not just about Rooney being in our team. There's more to it than that.
He looked pretty influential to me.
Good corners. That's what made the difference today to break QPR. He wasn't very good out in normal play. Really poor passing throughout the game. He wasn't alone in that.
Yes I can but I still stand by what I said.You were too eager to dismiss his influence whereas his second half was better
He played the two of our three great passes in the match. He was also shifted between positions again. I don't think some understand how luck we are to have a player of his ability and work rate.
Think he was awful in the first half. Misplacing passes all over the park. Got better in second half.
Good today.
I thought when he went left and RVP dropped deeper the difference was so noticeable. Ando of course made a massive difference, but having someone in the hole really helped. Before the goal Rooney and RVP were both playing way to high and neither was dropping either enough or with quality. Rooney going left actually gave us someone who could come inside and create unlike Young and RVP dropping gave us and the midfield a link, meaning they didn't have to both push up so much giving up a bit more solidity as well.
I really think rooney needs to take more responsibility for creating when they play together and needs to try and carry the ball more as he was from the left. Too often he will do the same as the midfield and just try and switch the play. Being higher up the pitch when he receives the ball he should try threading the ball through more centrally.
I really think rooney needs to take more responsibility for creating when they play together and needs to try and carry the ball more as he was from the left. Too often he will do the same as the midfield and just try and switch the play. Being higher up the pitch when he receives the ball he should try threading the ball through more centrally.
Interesting game for Waz. Lots of gash but he still earned his cash. On the bad side he had a 71% pass completion rate, on the good side, he made 5 key passes and got an assist.
his passing was poor for certain periods in the game, but he made about 3 or 4 deadly passes, he got an assist, and on a better day for RvP he would've gotten 1 or 2 more as well.
wasn't excellent by any means though, all in all I expected more from him
wasn't excellent by any means though, all in all I expected more from him
He was one of our few players who actually showed some drive. We should have kept feeding him the ball because he looked the most likely to create something. Even out on the left wing he was able to produce worthwhile moments for the rest of the attack.
As long as he's in range of goal you always feel the breakthrough is likely to come via his efforts.
As long as he's in range of goal you always feel the breakthrough is likely to come via his efforts.
I get the impression we can get more out of him, whether that's through himself or we could do better tactically.
Got to admire him in that one moment where Scholes lost the ball and Fletcher was high up the pitch and it was Rooney helping out Evans.
He played some great passes but he also gave it away a fair bit. Great to see other players scoring but I do miss Rooney scoring a ton of goals for us.
Got to admire him in that one moment where Scholes lost the ball and Fletcher was high up the pitch and it was Rooney helping out Evans.
He played some great passes but he also gave it away a fair bit. Great to see other players scoring but I do miss Rooney scoring a ton of goals for us.
He was our worst player in first half, and one of the reasons we played like shit for an hour or so. He improved when we were trailing, but that was just 15-20 minutes of good football from him today. And his corners were very good.
Overall, shit performance like most of our team.
Overall, shit performance like most of our team.
He's been incredibly sluggish this season. He looks a step behind in most of what he does.
No. I'm trying to point out not everything goes through Rooney because so many people on here feel this is the case. He was better in the second half but why was he better? Was he the one driving the team forward?
If you compare our performance at Norwich to our first half today, what difference was there? That was with Rooney in the team today. I'm not saying he's not an influential player for us but it's quite obvious it doesn't all rest on his shoulders. When he pick imbalanced sides, there's really only so much he can do.
IMO, it's a myth that the difference between us playing good or bad is Wayne Rooney. He has had some sluggish performances as well and there's no harm pointing that out. I agree we're a better side with him in the squad but it doesn't help when he's not playing up to his usual standards. It doesn't help when our midfield isn't providing him with good passes.
You think he was up to standard? Set pieces aside that was at least 70 minutes of poor football from the team. Rooney included.
Has anyone said this or have you (wrongly) inferred it?
He was awarded the MOTM by Setanta Sports. I thought I must have missed something in his game today as I thought he was pretty poor.
we are a better side with him in it even if he is no where near his best.
It was inferred after our performance against Norwich.
Rooney could have a mare and still be MOTM
Saying Rooney would have made a difference is not the same as saying we're dependent on him. They're miles apart. Rooney's a top player and 9 times out of 10 when he plays he'll improve the team play, because that's what top players do. That doesn't mean we can't perform well without him.
Kouroux was the only one who said that. Others hinted we needed him. I know he can improve our play because as you said he's a top player. I'm not sure if all of our play revolves around him. It was quite pedantic at the time but at times we give Wayne too much credit and sometimes not enough. It's always somewhere in the middle on the Caf but we struggle to find it.
Gave the ball away far too easily again, he was pretty poor today.
Agree
Dissagree. He wasn't shit by any means. Definitely not one of his best games, I'll give you that, but shit? Nah.
I think the pass to Scholes where Scholsey should have volleyed it and the one in the second half to RVP where pieces of genius and I would also say he tracked back many times to cover others failing to keep the ball. Overall I thought he was ok sure he gave the ball away but thats what happens when your trying to be creative against a team just sitting and defending. Also he was shifted into three or four different roles yesterday I don't think many players could have done that.
I thought he hid yesterday. Which is unusual for him to do, and as such terribly annoying.
Yes the midfield was pointless and predictably shit, but that's no excuse for Rooney to go hiding.
Yes the midfield was pointless and predictably shit, but that's no excuse for Rooney to go hiding.
I'd like for us to try him as a strike partner with Van Persie. 2 out and out strikers. Unfortunately, with our shocking midfield selections he has to drop back and cover.
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