Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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manusteve said:
A goal and we'd cheer because United have scored, not because we're some capricious child whose opinions can change at a stroke.
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ItsEssexRob said:
I really hate this kind of phrase, makes football fans sound so mindless.
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I recall the last time Rooney wanted to leave, and many fans publicly said that they'll never forgive Rooney. Suddenly, after that goal against City, the number dropped significantly.

As long as Rooney plays for United and doesn't do anything inhumane, I'll support him.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I think he has proven that one at least time and time again. 1: Missing a crucial FA Cup semi against city because he was suspended for swearing into a tv camera, insisting he is fit to play for England when SAF had publically stated he was injured, not taking adequate care of himself during the off season more than once, being sent off for sarcastically clapping the ref and subsequently missing CL matches. People regularly claim footballers and clubs are nothing more than employers and employees these days.....fair enough, then being unable to perform the job you are being paid to through your own stupid actions constitutes being unprofessional in my eyes.
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It was hyperbole on my part, intended as such. I didn't mean that anyone literally has talked about him in those exact terms. My point is simply that there's now a tendency to downplay his good side and blow his bad side out of all proportion. As has been pointed out several times the swearing incident wouldn't have been used against him in a million years if he hadn't already been a pariah for many: He was fired up and swore into the camera. Is that the action of a spirited player with a point to prove - or the action of an unprofessional twat? You tell me. I think the answer depends largely on how you view the person in question to begin with.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Hold on, you specifically set out to deny being something which few if any have accused you of only then to proceed to project a similarly extreme and inaccurate description upon others in the thread? More than a dash of hypocrisy there.
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I was referring to those with a completely blinkered bias against him, not to those who want him gone in general. But I could have expressed myself more objectively - especially given the context: Point taken.
 
hp88 said:
Will you start singing his name if he scores against City? Not calling you fickle but the majority of people who boo him will probably forget what happened over summer if he scores against City, it happened in 2010 and it will happen again in 2013.
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What is it that has actually happened?

I'm not about to defend him to the hilt, but the way I see it:
  • Rooney was a bit arsey with SAF, and vice versa
  • It was coming to a head but we've changed manager
  • The new manager wants to keep him
  • Rooney hasn't openly expressed a desire to leave. We can suspect it, but it's all conjecture at the end of the day.
  • First time he walks out at OT after all this we will go and boo him?
WTF? The more this sort of shit happens the more I am understanding of players' lack of loyalty. He has given us NINE years, how can you let some paper talk and online chatting blur that? Does it make you more top red or something?

Get a grip. All we know 100% is he is a United player and the manager claims to want him around. We should give Moyes a chance to work on the otucome he wants (inc. if that is selling). He already has enough media crap to deal with to also have the fans not helping.
 
People who boo Rooney or anyone else wearing an United shirt are bell ends.

Rooney can do one though. To a foreign club.

Or Coventry.
 
antohan said:
What is it that has actually happened?

I'm not about to defend him to the hilt, but the way I see it:
  • Rooney was a bit arsey with SAF, and vice versa
  • It was coming to a head but we've changed manager
  • The new manager wants to keep him
  • Rooney hasn't openly expressed a desire to leave. We can suspect it, but it's all conjecture at the end of the day.
  • First time he walks out at OT after all this we will go and boo him?
WTF? The more this sort of shit happens the more I am understanding of players' lack of loyalty. He has given us NINE years, how can you let some paper talk and online chatting blur that? Does it make you more top red or something?


Get a grip. All we know 100% is he is a United player and the manager claims to want him around. We should give Moyes a chance to work on the otucome he wants (inc. if that is selling). He already has enough media crap to deal with to also have the fans not helping.
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Supporters might be under the impression that he wants to leave the club and join a rival, booing him for wanting to leave the club is debatable. You could hear the boos and YSB at the Swansea game, this was before SAF interview, the 'i am confused' story and the Chelsea bid so I wouldn't be surprised if he receives a hostile reception at the first home game. I am assuming Rooney knows what he's in for so I am surprised at his silence, If someone was printing lies about me I would have released some sort of statement by now but some people will disagree with this and say Rooney shouldn't have to respond to the papers but I think in this case he should do it for the supporters of the club.
 
What if he doesn't because he is not fully committed? Would you rather he lied? Rooney is entitled to be unsettled. Anyone in any job can be regardless of how much money they earn.

I know he was an idiot a couple of years back, but he is a football player and thus more likely a pillock than a pillar of wisdom. No surprises there.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the same guy who had great promise yet never flinched when asked to perform the most ridiculous jobs on the pitch. For large parts of his career he hasn't been treated as the man to build the side around but the man to move around to make the side effective. As he looks back he may well wonder what may have been had he not been so selfless and, as the side is increasingly less reliant on him and his powers wane, maybe the question starts creeping as to whether he may be better off going elsewhere and being held as the star man always playing one role, the one he enjoys and performs best in. It's not a ridiculous thing for him to contemplate and, if that is the case, I for one prefer his silence to turning into a media whore and making this Summer all about him wanting a move.

As I've said all along, if there's no way back Moyes will sell and if there is a way back he won't and we should behave in line with his decision to keep hold. The manager is best placed and informed to make the right call here.
 
antohan said:
What is it that has actually happened?

I'm not about to defend him to the hilt, but the way I see it:
  • Rooney was a bit arsey with SAF, and vice versa
  • It was coming to a head but we've changed manager
  • The new manager wants to keep him
  • Rooney hasn't openly expressed a desire to leave. We can suspect it, but it's all conjecture at the end of the day.
  • First time he walks out at OT after all this we will go and boo him?
WTF? The more this sort of shit happens the more I am understanding of players' lack of loyalty. He has given us NINE years, how can you let some paper talk and online chatting blur that? Does it make you more top red or something?


Get a grip. All we know 100% is he is a United player and the manager claims to want him around. We should give Moyes a chance to work on the otucome he wants (inc. if that is selling). He already has enough media crap to deal with to also have the fans not helping.
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Given us.......seriously? He has given us feck all. He has been very well rewarded for playing football for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Do you think if Everton had been challenging for honours and willing to give him 6 figures a week he would have signed for us......or if chelsea or barca or real had offered him twice what we were paying when we signed him he would have come here.......he has been an amazing player for us and helped us win a lot of trophies but he has GIVEN us nothing.
 
Yes but nine years, Sparkz! NINE YEARS!
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Given us.......seriously? He has given us feck all. He has been very well rewarded for playing football for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Do you think if Everton had been challenging for honours and willing to give him 6 figures a week he would have signed for us......or if chelsea or barca or real had offered him twice what we were paying when we signed him he would have come here.......he has been an amazing player for us and helped us win a lot of trophies but he has GIVEN us nothing.
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By that rationale, Giggs and Rio have also 'given us nothing", right?
 
antohan said:
What is it that has actually happened?

I'm not about to defend him to the hilt, but the way I see it:
  • Rooney was a bit arsey with SAF, and vice versa
  • It was coming to a head but we've changed manager
  • The new manager wants to keep him
  • Rooney hasn't openly expressed a desire to leave. We can suspect it, but it's all conjecture at the end of the day.
  • First time he walks out at OT after all this we will go and boo him?
WTF? The more this sort of shit happens the more I am understanding of players' lack of loyalty. He has given us NINE years, how can you let some paper talk and online chatting blur that? Does it make you more top red or something?


Get a grip. All we know 100% is he is a United player and the manager claims to want him around. We should give Moyes a chance to work on the otucome he wants (inc. if that is selling). He already has enough media crap to deal with to also have the fans not helping.
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Can't agree with this enough. People mock media crap in the transfer threads but they swallow it all if it's negative press about Rooney. And the retrospective erasing from memories of the contributions of our most important player over the last decade is just staggering.
 
Well how come so many of the recent press stories have effectively taken Rooney's side or at least put forward his (supposed) perspective on events? I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what side of the argument a person is on - sheer common sense dictates that the journalists are likely to have been 'fed'. One journo actually wrote how laughable it was that Wayne's agent was briefing the media so regularly.
 
SteveJ said:
Well come so many of the recent press stories have effectively taken Rooney's side or at least put forward his (supposed) perspective on events? I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what side of the argument a person is on - sheer common sense dictates that the journalists are likely to have been 'fed'. One journo actually wrote how laughable it was that Wayne's agent was briefing the media so regularly.
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I think James Lawton and Paul Hawyard both alluded to/referenced this.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Giggs has given us 20 years of loyalty when the opportunity has been there more than once to go to inter and double his money.
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And win far less trophies at Inter.

Everyone has their own interests at heart, no player gives any club anything according to your logic, be it Giggs, Rio or Rooney.
 
Rooney, Hernandez, Valencia, Nani and Vidic should be playing against Real Betis in a behind closed doors friendly match today
 
I wonder how he would feel if Ronaldo came back and we bagged Fibreglass. On the one hand it'd surely be a mouth watering prospect to be a part of that team, on the other he'd probably be really worried about even making the bench :lol:
 
Pexbo said:
I wonder how he would feel if Ronaldo came back and we bagged Fibreglass. On the one hand it'd surely be a mouth watering prospect to be a part of that team, on the other he'd probably be really worried about even making the bench :lol:
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He'd play behind RvP anyway so I don't think Ronaldo or Cesc would really largely affect his chances of making the team.
 
wr8_utd said:
He'd play behind RvP anyway so I don't think Ronaldo or Cesc would really largely affect his chances of making the team.
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But Kagawa would. I see Rooney moving into a false wide position to Kagawa's left, so getting Ronaldo would indeed limit his game time.
 
wr8_utd said:
I really hated the way Ronaldo behaved in the summer of 08 with all his cranky bs so I really don't care if he returns or he doesn't.
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wr8_utd said:
Yeah I kind of expected this sort of response but unlike Rooney, Ronaldo couldn't shut up all of that summer. He'd whine about leaving to papers, agree with Blatter on the slavery comments and keep doing his "Only God knows the future" nonsense all summer. In comparison, Rooney's been a saint.
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:lol:
 
When will The Special One return with an improved offer for The Ambitious one?
 
Tibs said:
When will The Special One return with an improved offer for The Ambitious one?
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Just seen that a few of the morning's back pages, admittedly from the even less reliable papers, are suggesting a £40 million offer is imminent.
 
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Not saying this is true or anything but for 40 million pounds it'd worth thinking about selling him.
 
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