Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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For the record, I am in no way trying to make out that he's a rare unicorn-like endangered species. What I am making out is that he contributed 12 goals and 11 assists in the league alone last year, all in a season where he was injured for large parts and supposedly replaced by RVP.

A fit and firing Wayne Rooney is pretty much impossible to replace in the current market without spending at least 50 million. Unless we're magically tripling our record transfer bid for the Welsh lad at Spurs, or convincing Ronny to come home, we need to do everything in our power to keep Rooney.

a lot of other top clubs have been able to get great playmakers for much less than 50 mil, I do not see why Manchester United cannot.
 
We have that player in Hernandez. We only need to play him as much as Rooney and he will easily give as good end product. Kagawa at Dortmund was better than Rooney of last season.

Agreed.

Along with a an improved tally for Welbeck and Kagawa, a contribution from our new CM , wingers actually being present and accounted for, it all adds up to a greater degree of depth for both goals/assists generally.

A better functioning team unit would IMO be preferable to finding a direct replacement for Wayne.
 
Alright, tell me why Rooney actually has no desire to leave and in fact wants to stay at Manchester United.

:lol: Why would I know more than what the media has already reported on and/or made up? I don't care. Cool your boots and lets see what happens. It's outlandish to be trying to convince everyone here that it's nailed on that he wants to leave and that it's unquestionable... :lol::lol:
 
I think once he gets back into training he'll put his head down and work hard. If he is pissed off it's because of the people at the top of the club, mostly Fergie by all accounts. Wayne Rooney isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I don't think he'd be stupid enough to sulk and mope around if he stays with us this season. He'll be embarrassed by how this whole affair has panned out and will want to prove to his team mates and the fans that he isn't a complete knob. There is room for redemption still IMO.


I think he proved last season that he's quite happy to sulk and mope around, I can't imagine things being any better this season if he does stay. If he does stay and doesn't get a new contract we'll just being going through this same bullshit next summer, possibly even in January.
 
He'll be embarrassed

Well i think John W Henry and I might concur in our responses to that theory. :smirk:



Generally speaking though, do you all remember back at the beginning of this saga it was thought wise in not likely for it to be settled speedily? Here we are months later with the uncertainty almost guaranteed to continue into the start of the season.

The supporters are stuck under the drip drip of a leaky roof whilst outside Woodward and Stretford play tug of war with the ladder.
 
I bet he's pissed there isn't a bidding war going on for him between the Chelsea, Barca, Madrid and PSG.

In an ideal world we'd make him 4th choice striker for the season, and then when he next cries about playing because its WC year, get him to sign a new 4yr deal on 10k/week, and then sell him to Anzhi
 
I don't think so. We have RVP, Chicha, Kagawa and Welbeck for two positions. The last time we went into UCL final we had Rooney, Berbatov, Chicha and Owen for those two positions and I think that this quartet of attackers/attacking midfielders is easily better than that of 2011. RVP as No.9, Kagawa as No.10 with Chicha and Welbeck there too are great options. We should sell Rooney if a very good bid comes from Chelsea or a good bid comes from outside of England.

For a brief period, we had: Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, Nani and Giggs all vying for slots in a front 3 or 4. That is what I call squad depth!
 
Generally speaking though, do you all remember back at the beginning of this saga it was thought wise in not likely for it to be settled speedily? Here we are months later with the uncertainty almost guaranteed to continue into the start of the season.

The supporters are stuck under the drip drip of a leaky roof whilst outside Woodward and Stretford play tug of war with the ladder.
The fans have speculated a million different things under the banner of the media's reporting. For all the world knows Rooney could just be sitting doing his rehab and chilling until the start of the season knowing full well he's going to play for United this year and get closer to breaking the record.

WE as fans just don't know anything at all. Frankly if you're sitting there trying to quench your thirst off the gutter drippings when there is a well around the corner then you deserve everything you get. If they don't want to be wound up anymore then walk away and adopt a 'lets just be patient and see? Shall we?' attitude. A lot of people have but far to many have a 'WE MUST KNOWWWWWWWWWWW RARRR' type attitude where they will chew their own arms off if they think the sockets will give them a sure answer either way.

In an ideal world we'd make him 4th choice striker for the season, and then when he next cries about playing because its WC year, get him to sign a new 4yr deal on 10k/week, and then sell him to Anzhi
Sniffing sherbet off a silver plate whilst sat in a nougat crown on a candy cane throne.
 
United have won the league 5 times the last 7 seasons, incredible really.
United didn't win the league in 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.

The only two seasons Wayne Roooney's played as a true 9 is 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.
Rooney played as a 10 and occasionally a winger (08/09 with Ronaldo spearheading the attack) the 5 times United did win the league.

I don't know what to make of it but it could be interesting. Possibly. Maybe.

He does score shit loads of goal as a 9 though, can't take that away from him. 34 in 44 both them seasons.
 
He doesn't seem like the kind of person who responds well to criticism. He's shown flashes of the world class talent that he has, but I think he hasn't been able to maintain that form because of his physical fitness. Now the media are blaming it on Fergie/United for playing him out of position, but the only person that's held Rooney back is himself.
 
United have won the league 5 times the last 7 seasons, incredible really.
United didn't win the league in 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.

The only two seasons Wayne Roooney's played as a true 9 is 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.
Rooney played as a 10 and occasionally a winger (08/09 with Ronaldo spearheading the attack) the 5 times United did win the league.

I don't know what to make of it but it could be interesting. Possibly. Maybe.

He does score shit loads of goal as a 9 though, can't take that away from him. 34 in 44 both them seasons.

I've always maintained he's at his best behind the striker and the team as a whole plays better when he plays there.
 
United have won the league 5 times the last 7 seasons, incredible really.
United didn't win the league in 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.

The only two seasons Wayne Roooney's played as a true 9 is 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.
Rooney played as a 10 and occasionally a winger (08/09 with Ronaldo spearheading the attack) the 5 times United did win the league.

I don't know what to make of it but it could be interesting. Possibly. Maybe.

He does score shit loads of goal as a 9 though, can't take that away from him. 34 in 44 both them seasons.


In his defence it was no fault of his that we didn't win the league in 09/10. He played fantastically well in the number 9 role but we missed his creativity in the number 10 role. Had he not got injured we may have still won the league.

In 11/12 he played alot of games in the 10 role behind Welbeck.
 
In his defence it was no fault of his that we didn't win the league in 09/10. He played fantastically well in the number 9 role but we missed his creativity in the number 10 role. Had he not got injured we may have still won the league.

I still can't believe the number of headers he scored that season, he was Sheareresque that season. Little flair and finesse, just pure power and goals, goals, goals.
 
I still can't believe the number of headers he scored that season, he was Sheareresque that season. Little flair and finesse, just pure power and goals, goals, goals.

He also still dribbled and attempted to beat his man back then.
 
I still can't believe the number of headers he scored that season, he was Sheareresque that season. Little flair and finesse, just pure power and goals, goals, goals.


Yes, the run he went on after Christmas, including the two legs against City in the League Cup, scoring 4 in two legs against Milan, was sensational. It felt like he guaranteed us a goal whenever he stepped onto the pitch.

The injury came at a bad point.
 
He also still dribbled and attempted to beat his man back then.

I don't think he did that that season, it was all about the goals iirc. But the following season, 10/11, he was fantastic as a 10 after christmas, world class. I think that was his best period for us ever.
 
We would've won the CL if he had been fit for the Bayern match.

I hate the Bayern match. Some point during the first half I thought we were going to win 100-0, we were that good.

Why would you bring this up, and on a Friday of all days?
 
I don't think he did that that season, it was all about the goals iirc. But the following season, 10/11, he was fantastic as a 10 after christmas, world class. I think that was his best period for us ever.

It wasn't as frequent as when he was even younger than that, but he did still do it from time to time that season.
 
I hate the Bayern match. Some point during the first half I though we were going to win 100-0, we were that good.

Why would you bring this up, and on a Friday of all days?

We all do mate. That robben goal hurt like feck. What a goal it was though, the cnut.
 
For a brief period, we had: Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, Nani and Giggs all vying for slots in a front 3 or 4. That is what I call squad depth!
RVP, Chicha, Welbeck, Kagawa, Nani, Young, Valencia and Zaha is enough depth for 4 or at times 3 positions.
 
The fans have speculated a million different things under the banner of the media's reporting. For all the world knows Rooney could just be sitting doing his rehab and chilling until the start of the season knowing full well he's going to play for United this year and get closer to breaking the record.

WE as fans just don't know anything at all. Frankly if you're sitting there trying to quench your thirst off the gutter drippings when there is a well around the corner then you deserve everything you get. If they don't want to be wound up anymore then walk away and adopt a 'lets just be patient and see? Shall we?' attitude. A lot of people have but far to many have a 'WE MUST KNOWWWWWWWWWWW RARRR' type attitude where they will chew their own arms off if they think the sockets will give them a sure answer either way.


Sniffing sherbet off a silver plate whilst sat in a nougat crown on a candy cane throne.

:lol: We do not agree on Rooney's position here at the club but that's comical.
 
Yeah the £20million bids are a joke in this market.

I mentioned before about the wages of Rooney though which is definitely relevant, over a 4 year contract I reckon Napoli will pay Higuain around £20million less than Chelsea would pay Rooney, so even though Higuain isn't as good I reckon it would make sense if they left for similar amounts (around £35m) - especially as Higuain is younger as well so retains that sell on value more than Wayne.

Yeah I agree with you on the second part mate I reckon he would put his head down as well, he has to really. I think Chelsea think the opposite though - they are bidding such a low offer because they think if we say no Rooney won't do what you say and we get left with an unhappy, unmotivated player getting paid £12million each year.


True the wage is a factor, although I think the estimations of his wage skew the figures somewhat, its a big figure but I guess you then have to consider Rooney's pull from a marketing aspect as well. But yeah them going for similar prices is fair enough, but right now the figures being mentioned are as you said a joke. I reckon its worth a gamble for the season to see how things go if Chelsea don't come with a fairer value and we can't get our key targets.
 
The Blues had a bid for the England striker turned down last week - but their pursuit of him is ongoing.

However, 38-year-old Scholes said: ''I don't think there's anywhere better than Manchester United to play your football.

''It's up to Wayne - but he's a top, top player and every player and fan wants him to stay.''

The sole quote which is creating any Rooney headlines this Saturday.

Nothing we haven't heard from other retired United players this summer, partly because many of a certain age learned their PR from the same person person perhaps. lol
 
I'm leaning towards him staying now, because the level of interest just isn't there and we would be mad to sell him at anything like the fees Chelsea have offered.

Unless Jose gets desperate and significantly ups his offer or someone out the blue comes in for him I think we'll hold onto him for one more season. I would prefer him to go but not as the reported fees.
 
Chelsea's opening offer and the speculation about what they might consider for a follow-up remain well short of what United could take seriously.

Rooney himself doesn't even appear willing to submit a written transfer request and i wonder how much of that is influenced by the interest or lack thereof, does he doubt his suitor's enthusiasm to come up with the cash?
 
Chelsea's opening offer and the speculation about what they might consider for a follow-up remain well short of what United could take seriously.

Rooney himself doesn't even appear willing to submit a written transfer request and i wonder how much of that is influenced by the interest or lack thereof, does he doubt his suitor's enthusiasm to come up with the cash?

Or because he doesn't want to relinquish any bonuses and suchlike. Funny how it has all gone quiet on the Rooney to Chavski front.
 
I'm sure there's interest, just not from the fancy dan clubs that Rooney would instantly submit a transfer request to secure and forfeit his money. If Barcelona or Madrid showed some interest Rooney would grab the nearest crayon and spend all afternoon writing out his transfer request
 
Or because he doesn't want to relinquish any bonuses and suchlike. Funny how it has all gone quiet on the Rooney to Chavski front.

I am sure Chelsea could compensate for any financial loss incurred and besides if he really wants to leave United to be the No 9 at Stamford Bridge what importance is a few million?

The written transfer request is next to going on strike the nuclear option for a player so he's going to want to be confident that it will amount to something.
 
I'm sure there's interest, just not from the fancy dan clubs that Rooney would instantly submit a transfer request to secure and forfeit his money. If Barcelona or Madrid showed some interest Rooney would grab the nearest crayon and spend all afternoon writing out his transfer request

Presumably with his tongue sticking out as he did so.
 
United have won the league 5 times the last 7 seasons, incredible really.
United didn't win the league in 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.

The only two seasons Wayne Roooney's played as a true 9 is 2009/2010 and 2011/2012.
Rooney played as a 10 and occasionally a winger (08/09 with Ronaldo spearheading the attack) the 5 times United did win the league.

I don't know what to make of it but it could be interesting. Possibly. Maybe.

He does score shit loads of goal as a 9 though, can't take that away from him. 34 in 44 both them seasons.


I don't think too much can really be made of it because in the two seasons we didn't win the league we either missed out by a point or on goal difference. It's also worth noting that for large portions of 2011/2012 he was starting behind Welbeck.

I've thought since 2010/2011 that when he's at his very best, his best position is in the number 10 role, however he's nowhere near consistent enough when it comes to his performances to always produce his best football there.
 
He definitely played behind the striker in 11/12, he had 2 or 3 games as a number 9, some games in a two man midfield and one or two out wide.
 
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