So if we do sell how will it affect our transfer business? Do you think it's something Moyes has had in his plans regardless, despite his strong stance against a sale, or will the extra cash go towards a marquee signing on top of the 'world class' targets we had in mind? Then, is there a 'bigger' player out there than Wayne Rooney who is realistically obtainable?
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Micky Quinn and Alan Brazil are the only two who spring to mind.............sorry, just realised what you meant by Bigger than rooney.
I think United want rid of Rooney. Since he doesn't want to fight for his place and says he doesn't need to prove himself I think the club are fed up with him but are trying to show him that we are in charge. I think despite our official "not for sale" stance that we have no intention to keep him here unless he makes a dramatic u-turn in behaviour and demeanour which doesn't seem forthcoming. It's obvious we don't want to sell to Chelsea though, and haven't taken kindly to their bid and presumed tapping up.
I also think that it's telling that Rooney is upset at Woodward's comments that nobody will be offered a new contract anytime soon. He has 2 years left on very good wages so to me it implies that he is after an improved deal.
I also think that it's telling that Rooney is upset at Woodward's comments that nobody will be offered a new contract anytime soon. He has 2 years left on very good wages so to me it implies that he is after an improved deal.
Nope.
My original comment was that we always have been in the driving seat regarding the price. The price doesn't change regardless of whether Chelsea are willing to pay it or not. If Chelsea want to pay more than they would do if there were more targets out there doesn't change the fact that it's US who hold all the cards regarding the price.
Players aren't a commodity. They're not oil. The price doesn't go down because there is an abundance of something. The price they're willing to pay might change, but that doesn't give them leverage at all. If we needed to sell that'd be a different story.
Mark Schwarzer should keep quiet.
Anyway....apparently Mourinho is about to do a presser. Be surprised if he's not asked again about Rooney.
Players most definitely are a commodity.
Yes it does, in certain circumstances. If we are desperate to get rid of Rooney - for whatever reason - and only Chelsea are interested in him but they have several other options for the position of striker then they can dictate the terms.
In the current scenario we should be comfortable: Chelsea are running out of options, we aren't desperate to sell Rooney as he's still got two years left on his contract and I don't think we need the money from his sale to go for our own transfer targets. All that means we should be holding out for something in excess of 40m and probably more.
Right I'm responding to this part because this is the entire problem in a nutshell.
On point 1 - that does put us in the driving seat, because they need a striker. The fact that there are no others out there weakens their position. They want something we have and no one else is selling a comparable commodity, now that Cavani/Lewandowski/Falcao/possibly Suarez are off the market.
Point 2 - They wouldn't pay it if they have other options - they will say see you later right back, go bid for Cavani and leave us with Rooney.
You seem to be acting like that would be some sort of success, but the aim of the club is to sell him for £40million, that is the desired result. Them saying see you later doesn't achieve that.
Chelsea being desperate for a striker increases our negotiation power and makes it more likely we could sell him for £40million. That is the entire point.
Why are so many against taking 20-25 million and just getting rid of Rooney?
We don't want him anymore and I doubt they pay 50 million just because Torres flopped so badly. I don't think they want to risk that money again, they would have been better of getting Falcao or Cavani. Physically Wayne isn't the same player he looks like he's lost a yard, we can take the money and carry on with our pre-season and transfers, why let it drag?
We want to sell him AND wait for the best deal, I don't think we can eat our cake and have it here.
We don't want him anymore and I doubt they pay 50 million just because Torres flopped so badly. I don't think they want to risk that money again, they would have been better of getting Falcao or Cavani. Physically Wayne isn't the same player he looks like he's lost a yard, we can take the money and carry on with our pre-season and transfers, why let it drag?
We want to sell him AND wait for the best deal, I don't think we can eat our cake and have it here.
You're obviously right.
My personal view is that Mourinho wants Rooney and thinks he can employ him very effectively (and I agree with him). But I doubt very much his plans hinges on the deal. He isn't desperate, I think. Not least because this time round there seems to be some - genuine - calm about his situation at the club. I don't think Roman will go crazy and sack him if he doesn't win everything in sight next season. So, if he can't have Rooney he will get in another striker, perhaps not his ideal choice, but someone who will improve his options (there are more capable strikers around than the little handful who have been mentioned so far).
Because he's not a 20-25 million player. Why the hell would we shoot ourselves in the foot?
It's somehow lost on the Caf but Wayne Rooney is one of our best players, a footballer of proven quality at the very highest level, plenty of experience and at a great age. Selling him for half of his market value just so "we can get on with our pre-season" (WTF does that even mean? our pre-season is underway, we even played a match!) is sheer lunacy.
I get your point, i know what you're saying is that Chelsea are more likely to pay more if they have little option to go buy the same quality elsewhere.
But my whole original point was that regardless of this fact we're still the one holding the cards on how much we let him go for because we don't need to sell and he's under contract. I think we can both agree on both those points?
Yep. Wayne is a cnut, but he's a fecking great footballer. £20-25m is a gross undervaluation of his worth. With his head right under a new manager with a change of scenery he could be back to his formidable best, which would be a disaster for us unless we got some serious cash for him.
Because he would considerably strengthen our arguably most dangerous rival. That's the most obvious reason - and a sufficient one.
Rooney's on 200-250k a week, that's a huge consideration when taking into account transfer price and why the £40 million + figures are too much.
No. That's just nonsense. The likes of Falcao and Cavani will earn massive amounts of money at their new clubs, maybe not 200k but far above a 100k, you can be certain about that. Torres isn't on peanuts at Chelsea either and they paid the full 50m for him. Real Madrid didn't pay 40m for Cristiano Ronaldo just because his wage demands were about 250k a week, they still paid the full 80m.
Taking into account how much we'll be saving in wages if we sell him might be a sensible thing if the club was bankrupt or nearing bankruptcy. But we're not desperate to save money, we're in a healthy financial position so, again, the buyers cannot dictate the terms.
It's not lost on the caf we know how good Rooney is THE CLUB DOESN'T WANT HIM, that is the most important thing for me. We are dragging our heels over a player we don't want and that strikes me as odd. In no scenario is Rooney staying here the best thing for the club when the relationship is as broken down as it is. The club is holding on for what 10 million??? not worth it imo. Since Moyes has alredy suggested he can spend a good amount we don't need the money for transfers.
When I say get on with our pre-season, I mean the transfer market and having an idea of who are key/best players will be next season. Maybe you are happy reading about Rooney being unhappy everyday and all this he said and she said but I am not. The situation has not been handled well and now it's dragging on.
p.s People are most likely happy holding on because they know how good he cab potentially be at Chelsea, if you are that scared then why sell him in the first place???
Cavani wasn't on 200k at his old club, so there was less pressure on them to sell and they could demand a higher transfer price. Same with Torres, Carroll and a lot of other big transfers. Rooney wants out and having a player on 200k+ rather than 100k is a big difference.
It's not the same situation yet is it?
RvP only had one year left on his contract.
I'm pretty sure if the current situation is as the papers are making out Wayne would probably consider a slight wage decrease just to be push the move through anyway.
Sell a key player, to one of our closest rivals, for less than what it would cost to replace him? What could go wrong?
Yes because if they learned anything from the Schevchenko experiment it was not to pay huge money for strikers. Wont see them doing that again, no siree, even if they are desperately in need of a big signing, a striker and other options are tied up, no way!
Manchester United Football Club - 'Wayne Rooney is not for sale'
Some Lad on the Internet - 'We want to sell him so badly we should accept 5million more than west ham paid for Andy Carroll, from a club with a billionaire with a history of over paying, just to get rid of him'
Seriously?
If the situation is as the papers are making out then the suggestion of a wage decrease is one of the things that got us to where we are, currently.
Hmm, getting a slight hint of sarcasm in that post, hard to tell though.
It's an increase of 33% on the original offer. That's a huge amount.
Well that is the risk we run by getting rid of him correct? If we know how good he is and the fact that he has the ability to swing the title race (before the season has begun) why has he been alienated by the club???
I don't think we will get the money some are quoting here 35 million max imo. You can mention Torres and Carroll but they both flopped, teams don't want to throw away money for a player with risk attached.
He's two years older than Rooney, he had only one year left on his contract and had a history of serious injury problems (and whisper it quietly but it wasn't a transfer between two direct rivals). Rooney's appearance record for Manchester United is far superior to that of RVP at Arsenal, he's won a shedload of trophies, played and proved himself at the very highest level - unlike RVP who never really did it in the CL knockout stages, for various reasons (injury, shit team, whatever).
If Roman was prepared to pay 50mil upfront for a player he wanted, I wouldn't be surprised if he's willing to do the same again for Rooney. I may well be wrong but I feel we'll have to play a waiting game for a fee most suitable to us.
Are you quoting me in your location without putting my name beside it, you copyright infringing bastard? How many of your novels are even yours Steve?
I reckon he started watching football 6 months ago or something.
Sadly, adding the words '(Cina)' meant overrunning the amount of letters allowed in a Location, chiefo.
Around the same time he started learning how to use punctuation, then.
If they wanted to pay 40 million plus Cavani and Falcao where available yet they baulked at the fee, but no they are going to pay 50 million for Wayne Rooney who might be physically past his peak?? Torres is still there as we speak he s a reminder that these big money transfers don't always work they seem less willing to just throw out the cash recently, Rooney has risk attached to him.
Ibrahimovic was at monster wages at Inter and yet they fleeced Barcelona for every single cent. There are plenty of examples. Again, going by your logic, we couldn't have asked for 80m for Ronaldo: he wanted out, he was on huge wages and Real Madrid almost doubled those wages but still paid 80m. Rooney isn't worth 80m, obviously, but 40m? Definitely, at the very least.
Sadly, adding the words '(Cina)' meant overrunning the amount of letters allowed in a Location, chiefo.
damn you Xenoform!it's ok, i prefer to keep my genius silent anyway.
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