Mick McCarthy
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Quite the opposite....if you convince the player he is wanted at the expense of all others, then you pander to his ego. Players like to be wanted and Rooney quite clearly fits into this category. Jose is a master of manipulation and I'm sure Rooney will have enjoyed his comments.
Of course he will have other targets, he's not stupid.
Indeed, Pep said the exact same thing about Thiago.
It's one thing saying it about a player with a release clause. Jose's comments would have no doubt appealed to Rooney, but wouldn't have done anything to reduce our asking price.
Right, basically what he wanted then.
He could have just as easily said that to him/his agent over the phone. His main concern right now should be to try and get us to play nice; not going to happen when you go around making such bold, public statements on our players. Especially at such a crucial time for us in terms of image and perception.
This might have been covered but why is Rooney at Carrington? He's obviously not training cause his leg is poorly. There for a check up of the tear or what?
Has Rooney been doing injury rehab at our training complex? I was expecting to see pictures of him in his Range Rover, with a face like a moody blobfish.
We can't simply take the £20m and move on; we'd be seriously undervaluing one of our players regardless of whether we want rid of him or not. If we are to get rid we may as well get the best possible price for him.
You're missing the point there.
I'm not on about Rooney, he obviously wants away so those comments don't change anything in terms of that, his head is already turned and he wants to leave the club.
Saying its Rooney or bust just confirms that Chelsea's last hope of bringing in a top tier forward rests on Rooney - Cavani, Falcao and Lewandowski are off the market, so Rooney is the last chance.
That puts us in the driving seat regarding the asking price.
He's on a massive contract that still has 2 full seasons to run. We always have been in the driving seat.
Not really, Chelsea already appealed to Rooney.
This isn't tapping up a player with no plans to leave, it's clear he has no future here so there is no need to pander to Rooney like that - it's a pointless exercise. He should be trying to get the best price for Chelsea and letting everybody know he is their only target doesn't do that.
Aye, seems that way. Which means that either Maureen has dropped a bollock - or Roman is prepared to cough up. Or, of course, Maureen could be playing games. Him saying Rooney is the only, last chance target doesn't necessarily mean he is. Maureen is a wily one. They could still launch a bid for Suarez, for all we know.
Chelsea payed 50 million for an out of form Torres. That means we shouldn't settle for anything less!
'Regarding the asking price'
No we weren't. If Chelsea said to us, 'we'll offer you £30million and no more, if you say no that's fine - we'll just bid for Cavani or Lewandowski'.
That doesn't put us in the driving seat, it is very much a take it or leave it offer.
Now they can't say that. They need a striker and he is the only one left, that clearly weakens their position at negotiations.
Pictures of him arriving at Carrington this morning. His injury musn't really be all that bad then, or will he be getting it treated there?
He's a cnut, and alot of footballers are cnuts. I still think I want him to stay though. I don't really know why. Even watching last seasons highlights, and watching how little he celebrates with the team or himself when he scores, you can see he's just not all that arsed. Perhaps it's fear that he'll go to Chelsea and tear it up.
He's a cnut, and alot of footballers are cnuts. I still think I want him to stay though. I don't really know why. Even watching last seasons highlights, and watching how little he celebrates with the team or himself when he scores, you can see he's just not all that arsed. Perhaps it's fear that he'll go to Chelsea and tear it up.
Chelsea payed 50 million for an out of form Torres. That means we shouldn't settle for anything less!
Yeah the Torres fee doesn't put Chelsea in the strongest position for negotiation.
Jose isn't stupid as I said. He isn't someone who puts all his eggs in one basket. I'm sure Rooney is his preferred option of course, but he won't be his only option. There are other strikers to pursue....Higuain, Suarez etc. The pull of Mourinho and the wages Chelsea are prepared to offer will always leave them with potential targets.
I don't think Chelsea are concerned about the price, they can afford a huge fee and wages. The comments are designed to target the player directly and I'm sure it strengthened their hand. If United don't want to sell they won't, the Portuguese knows this.
Wait, so because there are no more 'names' out there for them to go for, this means that we're not in a position to be in command regarding how much we're asking for our player?
We can command however much we want for Rooney. Them saying 'well if you don't accept it we'll go elsewhere' puts us very much in the driving seat. Them threatening to not buy our players gives them no sway at all.
Rooney is quite obviously Chelsea's plan C. I'm sure they'd have taken either Cavani, Neymar or Falcao if they could get them.
With those players tied up early in the window Rooney's situation is a blessing for them.
With those players tied up early in the window Rooney's situation is a blessing for them.
Very few of these people are stupid, but they still say strange things. For all we know he may have a blank cheque with Rooney in which case saying Rooney is his only target doesn't really affect his position at all.
Higuain is a huge step down from Rooney. I agree with you on Suarez, but he fecking hates it in England and has been heavily linked with Madrid. There will always be other targets but its undeniable that the original four top strikers that were avilable has been whittled down to one.
I wouldn't say so, they know that we're going to be far worse to deal with than either Atletico or Napoli.
The fact they were willing to pay that much cash for those two though should guide how much we want for Rooney. Club would be mugs to take anything under £50m.
Yeh I remember the abuse Fletch got too. Was pretty sickening. That's totally different to the Rooney situation though. Fletch loved the club, many just believed he wasn't goof enough. Rooney's been a bit of a dick. That's the difference.
That being said, I don't "hate" Rooney. I just wish he'd be honest and admit the real reason for wanting to leave is that he wants a fresh challenge. Because that's how I see it.
That being said, I don't "hate" Rooney. I just wish he'd be honest and admit the real reason for wanting to leave is that he wants a fresh challenge. Because that's how I see it.
In public through the media is much better to him than over the phone to his agent. Why would Mourinho be concerned about playing nice? Why would he be concerned about United's public image? He wants a player and will use his main weapons (charisma, manipulation etc.) to pander to Rooney. His hope will be that Rooney forces the issue and hands in a transfer request. United will no doubt reject that, only increasing Rooney's displeasure with the club.
A side to this Jose will also recognise that the longer the Rooney saga continues, the more distraction it provides to his main title rival.
The first paragraph makes no sense. I am literally saying the complete opposite - the fact that the only top target left for Chelsea is Rooney gives us considerably more leverage in negotiations. How is that even complicated? It's fecking obvious. If there is a large supply of something then it drives the price down, if a commodity is rare it drives the price up.
Chelsea need a striker and there is only one world class player available, whereas previously there were four. That gives us more leverage.
Mourinho's 'Rooney or bust' comment just confirms that.
We will NEVER get £50m from Chelsea for him. I'd be happy with not a penny less than about £35m just to get rid of him, but he would strengthen Chelsea massively.
Yeh i see people on Twitter saying we're hypocrites because we took van Persie and he did the same thing to Arsenal, when it wasn't the same situation at all.
There's a difference, i don't mind a player saying he wants to leave, i have a problem with the way he's gone about it.
And he deffo wants to leave - he's come out on Twitter numerous times in the past and dispelled rumours. 'Paper stuff is nonsense, i'm MUFC and i want to stay, getting fit for the season, #BringOnNum21' would see a lot of fans forget about this whole thing. He wants the move which is why Chelsea conveniently bid for him a day after his camp leaked his 'angry and confused' stuff.
So he says, like Mourinho says Rooney is his only target, and Moyes says Thiago was never a priority. Could be true, could be spin, could even be some sort of combination. I doubt Suarez would flat out refuse to go down to London for the right money; I think he'd deal easily with the horrible, mean spirited English tabloids if he got the chance to feature in a team that will almost certainly be a contender for the CL trophy.
No you're missing the point.
He's our player, under contract, that we do not need to sell. Are you forgetting Chelsea have Torres, Ba and Lukaku? They're not exactly struggling for strikers.
The fact that they want him and we have him under contract gives us all the leverage we need. Chelsea aren't going to think 'shit.....we'd better offer the £40m they want because we have no strikers for the season if we don't get him'.
A potential buyer threatening to go elsewhere because there's others available isn't leverage. If i'm selling an Escort that's worth £500, i'm not going to accept bids of £300 just because if i say no the buyer can go elsewhere for it.
Then Chelsea should NEVER get him.
We're not in the business of strengthening them, if they want him that badly we should be bleeding them dry. British transfer record or nowt. If he was to go abroad that's a different story.
Although I am 100% against selling to Chelsea, if we did let him go for anything less than £40m we would be the only club ever not to take advantage of Chelsea overspending on their transfers.
I am not saying we need to sell him, what the feck are you on about? But if we do choose to sell him, then the fact Chelsea are desperate for him strengthens our position.
It's common knowledge Chelsea need a striker, if you think Mourinho will start the season with Torres as his first choice forward you're a bit clueless.
Mourinho won't be happy to start with Ba either. And Lukaku is still a prospect. No, he'll want a striker alright, that part is clear as day.
Does it not seem a bit strange that a player who claims he only wants to be loved is prepared to join Chelsea, who allegedly have been in for Hulk, Cavani, Falcao and Neymar before him...........
Even though I'm not really arsed if Rooney goes or stays at this point, I'm not going to pretend that it won't be a hard pill to swallow if he ends up at Chelsea. We'll cope without him and as Moyes said, Wayne Rooney isn't Manchester United, but seeing him on the scoresheet for Chelsea will hurt for a bit.
Your original comment was that no more strikers of name out there (Cavani, Falcao etc) means that we're in the driving seat regarding price.
But if we do choose to sell him, then the fact Chelsea are desperate for him strengthens our position.
It's common knowledge Chelsea need a striker, if you think Mourinho will start the season with Torres as his first choice forward you're a bit clueless.
If you can't understand that someone who doesn't need to sell something can set the price at whatever they want to regardless of the buyers circumstances then i don't know what i can say.
I never said that you said we need to sell him. I never said that Torres was first choice forward.
If we want £40m for Rooney say, and Chelsea offer £30m, it doesn't 'put us in the driving seat' to demand the full £40m because Chelsea have no other targets out there. We're in the driving seat because the price is £40m and if you don't pay it then see you later. If we wanted £40m for Rooney we're not gonna consider lower offers just because if we don't sell Chelsea can go buy elsewhere.
A players price is his price, regardless of how many other strikers are out there. 'Well we'll go and get someone else instead' is not negotiation power for a club wanting to buy your player. If you don't understand that then it's you that's clueless.
Just seen your edit
A potential buyer threatening to go elsewhere because there's others available is leverage. If you were selling your Escort along with ten other people then the buyer can shop around and the price cannot be dictated to him. If you won't budge on £500 he can try somewhere else and get it for £450.
Whereas compare it to this scenario - the buyer needs a car and you are the only one selling one. If you decide not to budge on the £500 fee then he has to go without, and he needs a car.
Can you not see the difference?
feck, now Ben Schwarmer has come out, we're fecked.
You seem to have a very poor idea of how the world works.
Love doesn't make the world go round, something else does. I think Rooney knows this very well. Besides, let's be fair - he hasn't stated anything half as cringeworthy as professing a need for love anyway.
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