Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

[Nogbadthebad]

Why goals and assists made in English cups and in Europe doesn't need to count?

Because it normalises the comparison.

Thats how each premiership player compare to each other against the exact same opposition.

Including mata's exploits against lower league clubs in the cups does nothing to compare him to someone from another team.

Hes the only chelsea player who was more productive in the league than rooney. By one goal. Despite a poor year, Rooney was miles ahead of any united player not named van persie.

 

[bosnian_red]

Stat bunker give him 13 premier league assists. ESPN give 17. I don't believe the stats being given for him.

According to the fantasy premier league website, which has the official stats, Mata had 11 goals and 18 assists in the league. Trust whoever you want to suit your argument, but in reality you don't have much of a case.
11 goals 18 assists in League
3 goals 3 assists in Champions League
1 goal 5 assists in Europa League
2 goals 4 assists in Capital One Cup
1 goal 5 assists in FA Cup
1 goal 1 assist in Club World Cup
Total: 19 goals, 36 assists in all competitions.

 

[sammsky1]

I can just imagine Moyes spinning around in his chair, making weird sounds and laughing away as he throws random things against the wall. He's probably actually really demented and has just managed to hide it so well over the years, or at least keep it confined to Everton. It would be great if after 20 odd years of our total professionalism, it all suddenly broke down overnight, with Moyes launching 30 transfer bids in a week - none of them serious - leaking out bids that never happened with players who aren't interested as swap deals, increasingly mental and dangerous press conferences etc. Obviously it's not got anything to do with Moyes at all, but I like to think that somehow this is all him, undoing everything we've ever known because he is a master troll.

 

[Eyepopper]

He's probably doing laps around the outside of Old Trafford now, in a golf cart, just talking absolute bollocks to any press company that will listen.

Moyes: "Well, I haven't read the reports you're talking about but obviously Messi is a fantastic little player and any team would love to have him, but I don't talk about other teams players and, unless Barcelona decide to sell, you wont hear me talk about how much we'd love to have him here. And as for a swap deal involving Rooney, well, as I said 'Rooney isn't for sale' ()."

Other Guy: "Mate... I'm just the bin man."

 

[Carl]

According to ESPN his stats for last season are (for Chelsea and Spain)

Starts: 60. Sub: 15. Goals: 21. Assists: 29.

 

[Vasey20|13]

Dunno if i can be arsed watching it and totalling it.

 

[Deleted 20801]

Moyes: "Well, I haven't read the reports you're talking about but obviously Messi is a fantastic little player and any team would love to have him, but I don't talk about other teams players and, unless Barcelona decide to sell, you wont hear me talk about how much we'd love to have him here. And as for a swap deal involving Rooney, well, as I said 'Rooney isn't for sale' ()."

Other Guy: "Mate... I'm just the bin man."

 

[Name Changed]

I see this as a non starter.

United want cash and not a player. If we sell Rooney and replace him with Mata - we would then need to adapt the way we play, Mata plays in a similar position to Kagawa. We would still be one striker short. So we would have to go and buy a striker anyway so we would end up with two players instead of Rooney.

Mata can quite easily play in central midfield.

 

[acnumber9]

35 was from wiki which likely was wrong. The stats Hectic posted are from espn, and there only 1 goal and one assist were from internationals. You are counting only Premier League.

There stats are wrong though.

All that aside I don't think Mata is as much better than Rooney as people here are acting and I'm far from Rooney's biggest fan. Even in a shit season if we're going to rely on stats he wasn't far behind.

 

[The Neviller]

We should flog him to arsenal and ask them to throw arteta into the bid and I'd be happy with that....theres no way arsenal would be willing to let go of ramsey or wilshire but they might be tempted to ditch arteta if they got rooney for it but probably not...they could always buy back song if they ditched arteta!

What the feck would we want with Arteta?

 

[charleysurf]

I see this as a non starter.

United want cash and not a player. If we sell Rooney and replace him with Mata - we would then need to adapt the way we play, Mata plays in a similar position to Kagawa. We would still be one striker short. So we would have to go and buy a striker anyway so we would end up with two players instead of Rooney.

What are you moaning about? It seems clear that United made up the Mata offer to feck with Chelsea.

 

[rcoobc]

I see this as a non starter.

United want cash and not a player. If we sell Rooney and replace him with Mata - we would then need to adapt the way we play, Mata plays in a similar position to Kagawa. We would still be one striker short. So we would have to go and buy a striker anyway so we would end up with two players instead of Rooney.

We adapted the way we play for Ronaldo.

We rejected a cash only bid, and decided to randomly link Mata with us.

We've survived with only 3 strikers before.

 

[Vasey20|13]

You cared enough to respond.

Yeh, but it's a simple response of 'he scores a lot and creates a lot'. You don't have to dispute every single assist or every single goal. The point is that he's a fecking good player who provides for his team. It doesn't need to be dragged on over 2 pages does it?

 

[rcoobc]

What the feck would we want with Arteta?

Spanish

 

[acnumber9]

According to the fantasy premier league website, which has the official stats, Mata had 11 goals and 18 assists in the league. Trust whoever you want to suit your argument, but in reality you don't have much of a case.
11 goals 18 assists in League
3 goals 3 assists in Champions League
1 goal 5 assists in Europa League
2 goals 4 assists in Capital One Cup
1 goal 5 assists in FA Cup
1 goal 1 assist in Club World Cup
Total: 19 goals, 36 assists in all competitions.

Yeah, a fantasy website isn't your best friend in this as they count being fouled as an assist.

 

[Adzzz]

I hope Moyes tries to sell Ronaldo to madrid for 80 million again, knowing full well they already own him.

 

[yamo123x]

Who gives a flying fcuk about this, stop wasting your and our time.

 

[antihenry]

Ha ha, if United made up the Mata link to embarrass Chelsea a bit then I think it's great.

I fail to see how it would be great for United, if they indeed do that.

 

[Revan]

There stats are wrong though.

All that aside I don't think Mata is as much better than Rooney as people here are acting and I'm far from Rooney's biggest fan. Even in a shit season if we're going to rely on stats he wasn't far behind.

The detailed stats bosnian_red posted says otherwise. The difference in assists from 28 to 35 or 36 likely has to do something with how assists are counted. I don't think that you can entirely exclude all other stats aside from EPL, because hey football exists even outside it.

 

[acnumber9]

Le

Yeh, but it's a simple response of 'he scores a lot and creates a lot'. You don't have to dispute every single assist or every single goal. The point is that he's a fecking good player who provides for his team. It doesn't need to be dragged on over 2 pages does it?

It's not my fault people responded to my post.

 

[sammsky1]

Even though we all knew Mourinho would start a war of words with Moyes and/or us, I didn't expect it to happen this quickly.

Will be a very interesting sub-plot over the next few years.

If Moyes leaked this as a WUM, in return to Mourinho talking about one of our players, Im really warming to Moyes, and we all know he has steely balls.

As long as he can stay in contention for the league and so gain credibility, an ongoing Moyes-Mourinho feud would be great fun to watch.

 

[shaggy]

Genuinely fantastic trolling from the club. I was worried but now I'm very impressed.

 

[Bape]

If it's just a cash deal, how much are people willing to sell him to Chelsea for? 40m? 50m?

Nothing below £35m for me.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Ha ha, if United made up the Mata link to embarrass Chelsea a bit then I think it's great.

Jose's messing about with cheeky digs in press conferences, Moyes not being a pal like Fergie just decides to walk up to the Chelsea pond and take a c crap in it.

It might just be.

Or we knew about the Mata rumblings and thought to test the player's reaction.

 

[TheRisingSun]

Not really, they rate him at about 25m. Bit of a dumb thing of you to say as well, why on Earth would we sell our best player?

Is he your best player? I don't think so, not anymore and Moyes and Ferguson seem to agree.

I'd rate Van Persie far higher than Rooney personally. I don't even really want Rooney, not on those wages.

 

[rcoobc]

Moyes reminds me more and more of a football manager manager.

Take over a new club? Strip it bare. Sell all the overvalued players. Bring in new everything.

 

[Commadus]

How much was the cash only bid?

So did United counter with an offer of cash plus Mata?

 

[Brophs]

I fail to see how it would be great for United, if they indeed do that.

I presume it's on the basis of being payback for Mourinho doing his "I won't talk about other teams' players, except to say Rooney is a great player and he should be where he is happiest" line.

Personally I think it's a load of shit. It's just a bunch of P.R. wankers pushing bullshit around the globe, really, really slowly.

 

[Adzzz]

Who gives a flying fcuk about this, stop wasting your and our time.

Sorry for wasting your time, whoever you are.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Yeh, but it's a simple response of 'he scores a lot and creates a lot'. You don't have to dispute every single assist or every single goal. The point is that he's a fecking good player who provides for his team. It doesn't need to be dragged on over 2 pages does it?

That's all well and good... but have we scouted him properly?!?

 

[bosnian_red]

The detailed stats bosnian_red posted says otherwise. The difference in assists from 28 to 35 or 36 likely has to do something with how assists are counted. I don't think that you can entirely exclude all other stats aside from EPL, because hey football exists even outside it.

The only stat that is changing is the assists in the premier league, everything else is pretty much the same apart from a few sites having him scoring 12 goals instead of 11. Either way, he assisted at most 36 goals if he has 18 assists and at the very least 30 goals if it's just 12 assists which is the lowest report of his assists. Still phenomenal.

 

[Vasey20|13]

Le
It's not my fault people responded to my post.

Fair enough, but i think we can all agree that he's a very consistent and valuable player for Chelsea because of what he provides, whether you count winning penalties or dangerous free kicks as 'assists' or not.

 

[acnumber9]

The detailed stats bosnian_red posted says otherwise. The difference in assists from 28 to 35 or 36 likely has to do something with how assists are counted. I don't think that you can entirely exclude all other stats aside from EPL, because hey football exists even outside it.

I'm not discounting them. I'm pointing out one difference be aide it was the easiest one to. Mata had one more assist than Rooney in the Premier League. I think it's also fair to call into question the quality of competition these 'assists' came in. For feckw sake we're talking about tournaments Fernando Torres was scoring goals in. If we're comparing Rooney against Mata then it's fair to do so in context of the completions the two played in.

 

[charleysurf]

I fail to see how it would be great for United, if they indeed do that.

Embarrassing Chelsea and unsettling a key Chelsea player for the price of an off the record comment to some journos?

Excellent.

 

[Rudie]

I think the relationship between him and the club has broken down, I have read the Moyes statement in full nowhere as bad as the press has made out. I feel Rooney wants that indispensable status he had before which can only be earned on the pitch.

We've only been drip fed things via the press; a real life exercise in Chinese whispers.

Football fans are shallow, another goal such as the iconic City one and everyone will be back to singing about him being the white Pele. He won't risk not playing to his full potential next season, the club holds the cards in this respect. There's no need for us to sell this season at all and as Woodward has pointed out we've no problem running his contract down in such a pivotal year for the player, he'd just be cutting his nose off to spite his face if he didn't play out of skin with something to prove - and if he does prove it then next year maybe we'll offer an extension or at least be able to sell to a wider audience - perhaps abroad.

 

[Vasey20|13]

That's all well and good... but have we scouted him properly?!?

Moyes' etch a sketch doesn't have him on it. INSTANT REJECTION.

 

[sammsky1]

I fail to see how it would be great for United, if they indeed do that.

its great on a number of levels. It says

1. Dont try and destablise one of our players by mentioing him in your press conference
2. That cash bid you made was pathetic.
3. If you want one of our best players, you're going to have to give us one of yours.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I really hope we take the Mata deal. It'd be one of the best bit of business we've ever done.

 

[charleysurf]

Genuinely fantastic trolling from the club. I was worried but now I'm very impressed.

Yeah, I'm reassured by this. Got to wonder if Gill would have done this. Maybe Woodward has a bit more devil about him?

 

[KM]

So Chelsea have confirmed they've had a bid rejected.

Embarrassed for them.