Agree with your reflection. If Rooney wants out though it's not good business to keep an unhappy player, it can only be divisive and weigh heavily on the manager.
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Agree with your reflection. If Rooney wants out though it's not good business to keep an unhappy player, it can only be divisive and weigh heavily on the manager.
For whatever its worth, I heard Mark Lawrenson on the radio after Fergie made his comments, when asked what he thought was going on he said that Chelsea were definitely interested in him and he was keen to go.
He seemed very definite about it, but don't they always.
Mata on the left is probably the best goals scoring winger we can get aside from Bale or Ronaldo, might be the best option. If we don't accept Mata, my hopes of us signing either Bale or Ronaldo will be greatly increased.
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Imagine the meltdown if we chose Luiz over Mata
Wouldn't be a surprise to be fair. We love central defenders and hate midfielders. Why not?
Sorry, you must have lost the plot.
Yes, central midfield.
Mata isn't a central midfielder. Is that too hard to grasp?
Made up indeed. No different to the deal involving Mata and Luiz.
They play the same role, niether are centre midfielders and niether are strikers. The last time Rooney played as a striker was four seasons ago in 2009-10.
And what we love even more is playing central defenders in midfield!
I've said this before , but I don't see Rooney maintaining his peak into his 30's. He drinks, smokes and gets fat during the off season - just like a player from the eighties would - and I see his career taking a similar trajectory to someone from that era. He might run himself into the ground on matchdays, but so did old first division players. It's what he's doing to himself on the inside that gives me cause for doubting his longevity. If we can get a decent deal for him now, I think we should.
Unlike Kagawa and Rooney.....Mata can actually be effective as a playmaker from the wing, allowing Kagawa to be in his natural role. If they can get good old Chelsea to double the money in that part-ex.....what a shrewd move. Especially if they pull off an insane signing of Cesc, giving a good base of 3 midfielders since Felliaini is inevitable.
And probably means Rooney doesn't actually go up top....rather in the AM of a 4231, reckon he'd be dynamite if up top with Schurrle-Mata-Hazard behind him, so good.
And probably means Rooney doesn't actually go up top....rather in the AM of a 4231, reckon he'd be dynamite if up top with Schurrle-Mata-Hazard behind him, so good.
We wouldn't need to "make room" for Mata. He'd whalz into our team behind the striker.
I disagree really. He's one of the most popular players in the dressing room, and once the window closes and the season starts he'll have no choice but to just do what he's done since he arrived and just play his game. I don't think it's a major issue if he still does prefer to leave, we've kept players who've wanted to leave many times see Ruud, Evra etc.
Yes, that's exactly the case. If Mata was available to us, we would take him without question because he is that good.
Mata is more productive than Bale. Bale scored most of the goals playing behind striker last season and while he scored 6 goals more than Mata in last season, Mata made an incredible of 35 assists which I think is the best in Europe. Mata has 91 goals or assists in last two seasons, I am not sure but he could easily be the third most productive player in Europe during last two seasons.
But they would be losing their best player in Mata - so that would set them back just as much as gaining Rooney IMO. Especially if he plays like he did last season.
Aggggeeeess. A really really long time. Since 2008 when we switched to inside forwards I think.
You need to use context obviously.
Mourinho, yesterday. Not the most ringing of endorsements:
They would, but they still have Hazard and Oscar, both of whom look likely to step it up. If Rooney went there he'd be their best forward by an absolute mile.
I think we should make a bid of Rooney + 10M for Mata
Definitely he'll be an upgrade on O'Shea and Jones as a cental defender who'll play in midfield.
Yup, if anything I think that Mata would be a better fit in the current United lineup, and the way we're trying to integrate Kagawa. Mata is more suited to the wing then either, and is arguably better then both as an attacking midfielder. We lose a bit of goalscoring touch that Rooney has offered over the years, but I have no doubt that Kagawa and Mata would split that total comfortably because both are proven to be good goalscorers as attacking mids.
I'd take that swap. Mata is an outstanding player.
Did he actually say that? Seems like he doesn't plan to have him as a key player, which is surprising, but encouraging enough that he might come back with an improved offer.
I think some of those accusations are exaggerated. He is clearly not as fit or as dynamic as he was, but he is hardly the footballing equivalent of Ricky Hatton.
Agree with getting what we can for him now though. He is an old looking 27, and i can't really see him getting back to where he was 5 or 6 years ago. He is still a top player though in my view, he just seems to have lost his way at Utd. A move would be best for him and Utd imo.
There are some clubs like PSG, City, Chelsea, Monaco who do not seek value as much as they seek players. The bigger the name the better.
Mourinho will know that signing Rooney would instantly strengthen his squad and weaken ours.
Mourinho will know that signing Rooney would instantly strengthen his squad and weaken ours.
I am pretty sure that Chelsea would have offered Luiz. We are rumoured to be looking for a new centre back and everyone knows that we like a player who can play in midfield but who really shouldn't be.
Mata did not have 35 assists last season. He had 13 in the Premier League. One more than Rooney. I've already had this debate with a Chelsea fan who claimed he had 38 assists last season. Turns out it was scored or assisted 38 goals. No way did he score or assist 53 times the previous season.
You've got to be fecking kidding me right?
Rooney has a great deal of marketing potential both to the Uk audience and abroad. Players that are always mentioned in conversations I have with people in the US and elsewhere when its about football Rooney name always comes up. It's not purely a footballing decision.
Those valuing Rooney at £25m are really selling him short.
Those valuing Rooney at £25m are really selling him short.
These are his official stats for the entire season:
Juan Mata 12-13
Total Games - 60 (15 from sub)
Total Goals - 21
Total Assists - 29
60 Games - 50 goals scored/assisted
So yeah, including all competitions he has scored/assisted 50 times in a single season.
32 goals 59 assists in 2 seasons.
I suspect so too. The only things that point otherwise are:
1) Chelsea already lack options in Defence
2) Chelsea have a surplus of attacking midfield type players.
In his wiki there are 35 assists, according to http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/103025/juan-manuel-mata-garcía?cc=5739 he has 28.
I didn't mean to make him sound as bad as Ricky. All the same, his conduct is hardly that befitting of a modern day athlete.
His benching in the Madrid game was the end of the line from my point of view. He's not got the same verve to get up and down the pitch as much as he used to. I agree with your last line.
That's their problem Theon. If they want him, let them worry about getting the best out of him. I would be delighted with a straight swap for Mata. I think he is just what we need. He can play in a variety of positions, and would give us much of what we look for from Rooney when he drops deeper.
Whaaaaaaaat, how have we rejected this?
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