Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Didn't Fergie say a few years ago when the Ronaldo to Madrid thing was kicking off that he'd been assured by the owners they'd keep him in the stands if need be rather than sell him?

Okay we did sell him eventually to them but similar noises seem to be coming out of the club this time. This is obviously the way we play hardball. And it took a world record fee to break our 'resolve', as it were.
 
I'd rip my own testicles off to get Mata here plus £10mil for Rooney.

Chuck the £10mil straight in the Fabregas pot, jobs a good un.
 
Maybe we're waiting for Chelsea to up the bid a bit. £15-20million plus Mata would be beyond sensational.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Is there a financial reason for this? Do we have to pay him some sort of fee if he is sold without the transfer request?

If not, it would be incredibly weird and petty on our part...
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If we sell him without him putting in a transfer request, we'll have to say loyalty bonuses to him(ironic). If he puts in a transfer request, he loses those potential bonuses.

Football manager has some up sides to it!
 
I'd be incredibly worried if we sold Rooney just for money alone to Chelsea though. If we're giving him to a domestic rival, and have the chance to take one of their best assets in the process, then that's really what we should be looking at doing. Unless of course it's all about the money...
 
Chelsea will be willing to let us name our price I think given who they're buying and who they're buying from. They'd see it as a tremendous coup. The most high-profile English player, possibly the most high profile player in the league, from their biggest rivals. We can make shitloads from this.
 
https://twitter.com/JNorthcroft

Read his account of what EXACTLY was said by Moyes:

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
In black & white, Moyes' "back up" comment about Rooney looks cold. But no insult was intended. I was there, here's the exact context (1/4)

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes on Roo in full: "I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can." (2/4)

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
"I think W can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on W is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin" 3/4

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
"Robin we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well." 4/4

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes included WR when he went on to say: "The first year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the players) and how best to use them."

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes also on WR: "It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That's the challenge and a challenge I want to take on"

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Then Moyes added: I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just him and we don’t concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney."


Defend away, Rooney fanboys.
 
Think about this for a minute - we spent over 20 million on Mata who has certainly enhanced his reputation, winning the POTY at Chelsea twice in a row. We've bid 27 million for Rooney, so if we offered 10 million plus cash we'd be valuing Mata at 17 million when he is clearly worth at least double that, if not more.
 
If that 10m + Mata bid is actually real (which it increasingly looks like it is) and the club refused it presumably so that Chelsea will come back with a higher offer, only for this deal to then collapse and not go through, then I really will have finally conformed to the opinion that our "board" are just a load of monkeys stolen out of Manchester Zoo that were taught to write numbers on paper.
 
I'd hate to see Rooney in a Chelsea shirt, but it's a no brainer for me. Quality signing in Mata, and that 10M would go in the pot for a quality Centre-Mid.

As I say, no brainer for me.
 
Wibble said:
If he were on anywhere near normal wages he would be worth more. As there are only a handful of clubs who would pay what he wants it depresses his transfer value especially as clubs will be pricing the deal as a whole and not separate the fee and the salary.
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The point is that if that offer is true, then it is an offer of around 40m (Mata is easily a 30m player). And 40m is more than evverybody on this forum hoped and personally don't think that Rooney is worth that amount of money (especially with the insane wages).

So, there are three options:
1) Chelsea didn't made the offer or somehow David Luiz was translated to Mata. Luiz is horseshit so in that case we did the right thing to turn it down.
2) We want only cash because we are confident that we can land Bale or Ronaldo. And we need the money to do it
3) We are insane for refusing it.
 
Seveneric said:
Yeah but in a case of surplus to requirements, why would Chelsea offer by far the best of the surplus they've got? Let's say Vidic wasn't as old as he is, it'd be bizarre imo to offer him in a swap deal even though we've got an abundance of defenders
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Hard to determine the exact reason. All we know for sure is that there have been rumors suggesting Jose doesn't want Mata or Luiz. I watched Mourinho asked questions about it in an interview on Sky yesterday, and he did not say there was nothing in the rumors surrounding Mata and Luiz, he simply confirmed when asked, that neither player had to leave. Why he doesn't fancy them, who knows?

I personally don't care why, that's Chelsea's concern. But if we can benefit from it, then let's do so.
 
shaggy said:
Maybe if Barca want Mata, we can only buy Fabregas if Barca get Mata. As much as I'd love Mata here, Fabregas would be a better suit for us at this point in time.
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Are you allowed to do that? I thought if you bought a player you had to keep them for so long before you could sell them on. This isn't major league baseball.
 
Stickles said:
Didn't Fergie say a few years ago when the Ronaldo to Madrid thing was kicking off that he'd been assured by the owners they'd keep him in the stands if need be rather than sell him?

Okay we did sell him eventually to them but similar noises seem to be coming out of the club this time. This is obviously the way we play hardball. And it took a world record fee to break our 'resolve', as it were.
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Yes, and i'm extremely glad we're playing hardball. Also, i guess we'd prefer a full cash offer anyway.
 
Revan said:
The feck are you saying. Do you value Mata only 10m?
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Where did i say that?

Rooney is worth £35m. People saying he's worth the same now as what we paid for him are deluded. You see Fabregas' value has gone up despite him not being amazing for the last few years. You see the Cavani's and Falcao's going for ridiculous amounts.

Mata for me is worth £25m easily. But Chelsea are a club with money to burn and he's apparently not wanted there. They would sacrifice Mata for Rooney i think, even if they sold him for miles less than his value. This is a club that's put managers in on huge contracts and paid them millions and millions of pounds to get rid of them because they've lost a few games in a row before now. If they want Rooney that badly we should make the deal a LOT better in our favour considering the situation and the fact that we don't want to sell him to a direct rival.
 
----Carrick - Fabregas
Zaha ----Mata---- Kagawa
----------RVP

Swap Nani, Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Cleverley, Ando etc where necessary. Add Fellaini as well as another midfield option as well. Not bad
 
Vasey20|13 said:
https://twitter.com/JNorthcroft

Read his account of what EXACTLY was said by Moyes:

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
In black & white, Moyes' "back up" comment about Rooney looks cold. But no insult was intended. I was there, here's the exact context (1/4)

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes on Roo in full: "I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can." (2/4)

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
"I think W can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on W is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin" 3/4

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
"Robin we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well." 4/4

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes included WR when he went on to say: "The first year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the players) and how best to use them."

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Moyes also on WR: "It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That's the challenge and a challenge I want to take on"

Jonathan Northcroft ‏@JNorthcroft 1h
Then Moyes added: I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just him and we don’t concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney."


Defend away, Rooney fanboys.
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Exactly - Moyes never insulted him.

Either the press have twisted it massively, and Rooney has been fed false info - he looks mega stupid.

That or the fact he is using any little excuse he can to twist it in his favour, so that he can leave the club without looking silly.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Are you allowed to do that? I thought if you bought a player you had to keep them for so long before you could sell them on. This isn't major league baseball.
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Eh? If we buy Mata, then Barca won't sell Fabregas to us. Maybe. Who knows. /muppet
 
EvilChuck said:
----Carrick - Fabregas
Zaha ----Mata---- Kagawa
----------RVP

Swap Nani, Valencia, Young, Welbeck, Cleverley, Ando etc where necessary. Add Fellaini as well as another midfield option as well. Not bad
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Why do people do this to themselves?
 
MDFC Manager said:
Yes, and i'm extremely glad we're playing hardball. Also, i guess we'd prefer a full cash offer anyway.
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I suspect we'd want all cash too. The Mata offer sounds appealing to some on paper but if he's not a player we've researched, scouted, followed etc it's a bit of a gamble. A lot more goes in to identifying players for the side rather than 'Oh he's good'. Which is why scouts and coaches spend weeks/months following players getting to know how they where their strengths and weaknesses in minute detail and assessing how that would work within the team or what needs to happen to compensate/enhance whatever abilities he brings. Mata may well be world class but to just sign him on the off he's been offered may be a bit of a risk as opposed to taking a hefty financial settlement and using that to fund players you've already identified that you want.
 
Stickles said:
I suspect we'd want all cash too. The Mata offer sounds appealing to some on paper but if he's not a player we've researched, scouted, followed etc it's a bit of a gamble. A lot more goes in to identifying players for the side rather than 'Oh he's good'. Which is why scouts and coaches spend weeks/months following players getting to know how they where their strengths and weaknesses in minute detail. Mata may well be world class but to just sign him on the off he's been offered may be a bit of a risk as opposed to taking a hefty financial settlement and using that to fund players you've already identified that you want.
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Yeh but he's a world class midfielder, anyone just watching MOTD can tell you that.
 
Revan said:
1) A player who thinks that he can do whatever he wants in the club, who thinks that the manager has no right to drop him or play him out of position and who doesn't care a bit or show respect to the club.

2) Wayne Rodney
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So we now have any player who has ever been unhappy with their playing time as guilty of thinking they're bigger than the club they play for. Righteo. Throwing around phrases like "do whatever he wants" is again just meaningless bollocks, I mean, has he even turned up late for training at all, for example?

Even if all this is true, what it would be an example of is just poor behaviour at worst. I could start acting like a cnut at work, disrespect everyone in the office and my employers, hand in my notice and if my boss came to me and said "you think you're bigger than this company" my reaction would be that of, "what the feck does that even mean?"
 
Stickles said:
I suspect we'd want all cash too. The Mata offer sounds appealing to some on paper but if he's not a player we've researched, scouted, followed etc it's a bit of a gamble. A lot more goes in to identifying players for the side rather than 'Oh he's good'. Which is why scouts and coaches spend weeks/months following players getting to know how they where their strengths and weaknesses in minute detail and assessing how that would work within the team or what needs to happen to compensate/enhance whatever abilities he brings. Mata may well be world class but to just sign him on the off he's been offered may be a bit of a risk as opposed to taking a hefty financial settlement and using that to fund players you've already identified that you want.
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Mata doesn't need to be researched, scouted or followed. He's a quality player
 
Vasey20|13 said:
Where did i say that?

Rooney is worth £35m. People saying he's worth the same now as what we paid for him are deluded. You see Fabregas' value has gone up despite him not being amazing for the last few years. You see the Cavani's and Falcao's going for ridiculous amounts.

Mata for me is worth £25m easily. But Chelsea are a club with money to burn and he's apparently not wanted there. They would sacrifice Mata for Rooney i think, even if they sold him for miles less than his value. This is a club that's put managers in on huge contracts and paid them millions and millions of pounds to get rid of them because they've lost a few games in a row before now. If they want Rooney that badly we should make the deal a LOT better in our favour considering the situation and the fact that we don't want to sell him to a direct rival.
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Mata is worth 25 million? We paid 23.5 million for him. What planet are you on?
 
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