Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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MancFanFromManc said:
From SkyBet:
"Relations are starting to appear irreparable and we have now installed Chelsea as the favourites for the Premier League at 9/4, which would shorten significantly if they secure Rooney's services."

It would be madness to sell Rooney to Chelsea. But if Mourinho is offering Mata, then why not bid for him outright (and keep Rooney) ???
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I agree it's worth a try. If the bid and rejection are true then Chelsea have weakened their relationship with their player by offering him up whilst we have reiterated our stance that Rooney is not for sale.

Offer them cash for Mata and see what the reaction is.
 
I'd accept 10mil and mata easily. If he's going to leave, we have to try and include mata in any deal, he's class.
 
Btw has somebody mentioned that Chelsea are an embarrassment because their first offer got rejected?
 
Man-United said:
What could be the reason Mouringo does not want to keep Mata? If true of course.
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Been wondering this too. It's a strange one. May be he just doesn't fit into the system/style of play he wants to try this time out with Chelsea. I guess he wants his wide players to have pace and the ability to beat their man. Bit like the Duff/Robben days.
 
Hectic said:
Could well of done, I just don't see how Chelsea would make an offer with Luiz and Mata as financial equivalents. If they were selling either player alone, Mata would cost a hell of a lot more. The fact we are dying for a player like Mata, and have no real use for a player like Luiz makes their evaluation of both players as the same, even more ridiculous.
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I think that Chelsea has offered either Mata or Luiz, but somehow journos understood that they have said to us pick one of them and 10m. Likely they offered 10M + Luiz but with the rumors that Mourinho wants to get rid of Mata somehow the offer mistranslated with Mata's name there. It would have been a lunacy of the highest order if we have really refused Mata Luiz, is easily a 40m offer for Rooney and we can have the best replacement available.

Or we want only cash in order to sign Bale or Ronaldo which I think is very unlikely.
 
Maybe if Barca want Mata, we can only buy Fabregas if Barca get Mata. As much as I'd love Mata here, Fabregas would be a better suit for us at this point in time.
 
I'm amazed Chelsea didn't come with a cash offer first, unless it hasn't been reported. Why so keen to offload Mata and Luiz?
 
We can laugh at the offer I guess, but I do think Rooney would be amazing there and as good as Mata is, they need someone like Rooney more than him.
 
Why the feck are we rejecting that offer?:annoyed:

I rate Rooney higher than Mata but if he doesn't want to play for us we won't get a better offer for him.
 
It may even not be an issue of rejecting the first bid out of hand, it seems United want that written transfer request. We're trying to make Rooney go in the worst possible way for his reputation. So if we see the transfer request today, we may very well accept 10 million and mata later. Probably hold out for 15,000,000 and the player though.

Good business in one way but strengthening a rival in another. For Rooney to wipe out the largest portion of his career, on his way to becoming a legend at the biggest club in the world, for little reason other than being badly advised and fecking stupid (greedy too) is a grand shame. But that's the way she goes, boys, that's the way she goes. He's on the shit winds to shit town and I hope he takes you, Ricky and Julian with him.

What.
 
akash02 said:
Why the feck are we rejecting that offer?:annoyed:

I rate Rooney higher than Mata but if he doesn't want to play for us we won't get a better offer for him.
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Because its a bargin and they have money. 10m? Come back with £25 plus Mata and we will talk.
 
Adzzz said:
It may even not be an issue of rejecting the first bid out of hand, it seems United want that written transfer request. We're trying to make Rooney go in the worst possible way for his reputation. So if we see the transfer request today, we may very well accept 10 million and mata later. Probably hold out for 15,000,000 and the player though.

Good business in one way but strengthening a rival in another. For Rooney to wipe out the largest portion of his career, on his way to becoming a legend at the biggest club in the world, for little reason other than being badly advised and fecking stupid (greedy too) is a grand shame. But that's the way she goes, boys, that's the way she goes. He's on the shit winds to shit town and I hope he takes you, Ricky and Julian with him.

What.
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Is there a financial reason for this? Do we have to pay him some sort of fee if he is sold without the transfer request?

If not, it would be incredibly weird and petty on our part...
 
Given what Rooney is worth as a 'status symbol' - one of the leading iconic players at the club, virtually our flagship player consistently for the best part of a decade, I think Mata + £10m is a little low regardless of the value of Mata. World class MF but for Chelse he is 'just' another midfielder.
 
Maybe we want a written transfer request and maybe even to squeeze a bit more out of Chelsea? Assuming that Moyes wants Luiz or Mata AND the club are prepared to sell to any English club it could be a great deal for us.
 
apotheosis said:
Only makes sense from the point that the players in question seem surplus to requirements at their respective clubs. Financially though, doesn't make any sense at all for Chelsea.
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Yeah but in a case of surplus to requirements, why would Chelsea offer by far the best of the surplus they've got? Let's say Vidic wasn't as old as he is, it'd be bizarre imo to offer him in a swap deal even though we've got an abundance of defenders
 
Stickles said:
Given what Rooney is worth as a 'status symbol' - one of the leading iconic players at the club, virtually our flagship player consistently for the best part of a decade, I think Mata + £10m is a little low regardless of the value of Mata. World class MF but for Chelse he is 'just' another midfielder.
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What nonsense.
 
Adzzz said:
It may even not be an issue of rejecting the first bid out of hand, it seems United want that written transfer request. We're trying to make Rooney go in the worst possible way for his reputation. So if we see the transfer request today, we may very well accept 10 million and mata later. Probably hold out for 15,000,000 and the player though.

Good business in one way but strengthening a rival in another. For Rooney to wipe out the largest portion of his career, on his way to becoming a legend at the biggest club in the world, for little reason other than being badly advised and fecking stupid (greedy too) is a grand shame. But that's the way she goes, boys, that's the way she goes. He's on the shit winds to shit town and I hope he takes you, Ricky and Julian with him.

What.
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Yep, this is probably the reason.

Especially as any loyalty bonus that Rooney would be due on his massive contract would be very pricey. Written transfer request would probably add a few million on to any deal.
 
Stickles said:
Given what Rooney is worth as a 'status symbol' - one of the leading iconic players at the club, virtually our flagship player consistently for the best part of a decade, I think Mata + £10m is a little low regardless of the value of Mata. World class MF but for Chelse he is 'just' another midfielder.
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No doubting he is, or was, our most well known and marketable footballer, this Summer the club have been doing pretty much everything in their power to tarnish that reputation completely (helped by the fact that he himself is a dimwit) and that "status symbol" will no longer exist at Man Utd regardless of what happens.
 
Richard Keys had a good cry on Talksport, defending poor aul Wayne. He seems a bit of a knob.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Is there a financial reason for this? Do we have to pay him some sort of fee if he is sold without the transfer request?

If not, it would be incredibly weird and petty on our part...
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I think if he doesn't hand one in and we want to sell, we have to pay his contract up.

I think Rooney has been grossly undervalued by everyone and their mother. Rooney is easily worth a lot more than £25m. I hate the cnut but he's still a phenomenal footballer. He's worth £35m easily in this climate. £25m + Mata would be good business.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Is there a financial reason for this? Do we have to pay him some sort of fee if he is sold without the transfer request?

If not, it would be incredibly weird and petty on our part...
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Players generally lose all sorts of bounuses and financial incentives if they request a transfer. It would save us millions I'd guess.
 
TheRisingSun said:
I don't want him, seems to be on the decline, doesn't look after himself and grossly overpaid, with little/no re-sale value.

I think we could do better elsewhere, although winding United up about "the white Pele" and "once was a red, always a blue" would be fun.
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If we could replace him , I wouldn't shed any tears if he left. The first transfer request soured him for me
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think if he doesn't hand one in and we want to sell, we have to pay his contract up.

I think Rooney has been grossly undervalued by everyone and their mother. Rooney is easily worth a lot more than £25m. I hate the cnut but he's still a phenomenal footballer. He's worth £35m easily in this climate. £25m + Mata would be good business.
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:lol:
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think if he doesn't hand one in and we want to sell, we have to pay his contract up.

I think Rooney has been grossly undervalued by everyone and their mother. Rooney is easily worth a lot more than £25m. I hate the cnut but he's still a phenomenal footballer. He's worth £35m easily in this climate. £25m + Mata would be good business.
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The feck are you saying. Do you value Mata only 10m?
 
Vasey20|13 said:
I think if he doesn't hand one in and we want to sell, we have to pay his contract up.

I think Rooney has been grossly undervalued by everyone and their mother. Rooney is easily worth a lot more than £25m. I hate the cnut but he's still a phenomenal footballer. He's worth £35m easily in this climate. £25m + Mata would be good business.
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If he were on anywhere near normal wages he would be worth more. As there are only a handful of clubs who would pay what he wants it depresses his transfer value especially as clubs will be pricing the deal as a whole and not separate the fee and the salary.
 
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