Each case is different. You have to take into consideration the player in question's age, recent form, contractual situation, wages, his current relationship with his club, how much he really wants out and how big is the market for him out there.
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Each case is different. You have to take into consideration the player in question's age, recent form, contractual situation, wages, his current relationship with his club, how much he really wants out and how big is the market for him out there.
If Chelsea wan him, ask for £20 million & Mata. If they're not willing to let Mata go, they can have Rooney for the same price they paid for Torres.
You also have to take in consideration how much the buyer needs him, and the other potential players that have slipped through the buying clubs grasp and that he may be the only player left that would significantly improve them. Chelsea need to buy him more than we need to sell. It's a seller's market.
Why should he say that? To keep Rooney fans happy? Fergie and Moyes have both been tough with Rooney so there clearly must be a reason why. He's obviously not handled the whole situation well with either manager to the extent that they feel the need to put him in his place.
There are other options out there for Chelsea, too. Benteke is much younger, has big potential and is very much available. Suarez is probably a better player at this point than Rooney and wants out, too, although he comes with own baggage. Ibrahimovic loves Moiurinho and may decide to seek pastures new now that Cavani's joined PSG.
Also, experience tells us that star players have a big say in where they end up.
Benteke has really only had one good season, and with him being quite young, there might be problems further down the line when Lukaku is ready to step into the team. And good luck getting Ibrahimovic, PSG don't need to sell at all. Bottomline is that Rooney will end up at Chelsea if he wants to, but Chelsea will have to pay the kind of sum that United would want.
What he wants is a new megabucks deal and guarantees of games in his preferred position. He only wants to move because that isn't on the cards. Chelsea seems the best move for him because frankly the mad rush from Europe's top clubs hasn't happened so his options are limited.
Chelsea should be careful. Roman has already blown millions on a forward past his best in Torres. Could be another expensive gamble.
Martin Lipton says that Chelsea holds all the cards in this pursuit.
IMO, it's simply not true. He still has two years left on his contract, and we'll only sell him to Chelsea if we get an extravagant offer from them. He won't be sold to Chelsea for less than 35m. Let's see whether Chelsea comes up with the cash.
IMO, it's simply not true. He still has two years left on his contract, and we'll only sell him to Chelsea if we get an extravagant offer from them. He won't be sold to Chelsea for less than 35m. Let's see whether Chelsea comes up with the cash.
He's contracted to us, have no need to sell, of course we hold all the cards.
Yup. Sensible people think that, but for people like Neil Ashton and Lipton who are Chelsea's mouthpiece in the media, apparently they hold all the cards. Their are some fecking morons in the English Media.
I do not think that what Moyes said was intended to read "I need both players". He quite clearly let Rooney know that he is just one of many players.
I for one like his hard stance. We have almost always had this as a club and I want it to stay this way.
I for one like his hard stance. We have almost always had this as a club and I want it to stay this way.
Indeepio!
United hold the cards and they have a petulant 2 year old on their books who has wanted away for quite some time. By in large his form has dipped, and he's looking to place the blame for this on being in a team he is no longer challenged in. Let him go, let him go for the right price and lets see how he does.
I personally believe Rooney peaked early and now he's just a very wealthy, angry footballer with not a whole lot going on between his ears
I suprised and disappointed that I've not seen a "Wayne Blueney" headline yet.
Agreed. It's not even a hard stance, just basic common sense if you really think the Club is more important than a petulant unprofessional player's wish to hold the club to ransom whenever he feels like it. Rooney really should shut the feck up instead of acting as a drama queen. He gets paid way more than he should be judging by recent his performances.
I think he's actually quite a typical mercenary type player, not the loyal 'beating heart of United' myth that some of his big fans like to refer to him as. He'd be off in a heartbeat to some mega rich club who's willing to pay him way more than he deserves. So much for loyalty, love and passion for United
.Still early in the transfer window, they are saving that gem for later. If wee get linked to him again expect a Wayne Gooney headline....
Jose Mourinho still stirring the pot for United's Wayne Rooney
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Whilst we do hold the cards to an extent, will the utd hierarchy be willing to pay his wages for two years and lose out on 20m plus transfer fee? Don't think so.
There is an added complication to this issue, which is the loyalty bonus. That could be worth millions. He is trying his hardest to not put in a transfer request, and we now seem to be trying or hardest to force him into doing so. If he doesn't, we may have to sell him to a rival and pay him something like 6m for the pleasure! no thank you.
Just hope we don't sell him to Chelsea, mourinho can feck of with his comments. Get rid to Barca, let him feck that team up with his issues
There is an added complication to this issue, which is the loyalty bonus. That could be worth millions. He is trying his hardest to not put in a transfer request, and we now seem to be trying or hardest to force him into doing so. If he doesn't, we may have to sell him to a rival and pay him something like 6m for the pleasure! no thank you.
Just hope we don't sell him to Chelsea, mourinho can feck of with his comments. Get rid to Barca, let him feck that team up with his issues
Loyalty bonus? What you on about?
My dad's a Chelsea fan and doesn't want Rooney.
I'm not sure why you would want him either. If you're prepared to spend big there are better options. Unless ROoney gets his act together but I just don't see it. Players who can't do that under Fergie tend to just get a lot worse when they go elsewhere...and I think the same applies in terms of him staying here without Fergie being in charge.
Rooney won't f*** any team up, even if he has issues. He had issues last season, but still managed to play a part in our march to the title. He has been an important player in all the titles that United have won in his time here. It's disappointing how his exit from the club is happening, but we shouldn't fool ourselves into thinking that he won't resolve his issues when he gets a fresh start at a new club.
If he doesn't hand in a transfer request and we accept a bid for him, he gets a percentage from the bid as a bonus since he "didn't want to leave" by handing in a transfer request.
Swap him for fabregas and i think we will all be happy.
I was with you til the last line.
I think he may have a honeymoon period, but regress and sulk. I hope I'm right.
Of course, I'd hope you're right too if he leaves.
He's going, unfortunately.
An excellent player with a terrible attitude.
I had hoped he'd fight for his spot.
An excellent player with a terrible attitude.
I had hoped he'd fight for his spot.
I didn't say I want him, and there are still plenty of CFC fans that don't want any part of Rooney. In fact, I'd have definitely taken Falcao and even Cavani over Wayne, but that's out of the question now.
I do believe though, that Rooney is still capable of playing his best under the right circumstances. I don't know what exactly happened with him at United, but the fact is, he's only 27 and, if fully motivated and fit, there's no doubt he'll be able to do well, especially in his preferred position. I think, Jose may be able to get him going and is a strong enough personality to keep him in line, within reason, of course. This is a World Cup season, Rooney wants to play regularly and get back to his best and perhaps he decided he needs to move to achieve that goal.
I personally believe he decided to leave some time ago and both Moyes' comments and Rooney's camp reaction are just details of the long protracted transfer saga, where both sides are trying to put themselves in a more advantageous position while slowly heading for an inevitable outcome of Rooney leaving the club.
He did once say " always a blue "
Not A very loyal person
Not A very loyal person
I think a lot of fans are, understandably getting upset about the way Rooney has conducted himself, but I personally think that clouds the issue.
Looking at it critically and logically - despite Rooney's undoubted talent and contributions the question remains whether the club are getting enough value for money to justify giving him a new contract and caving in to his demands.
United find themselves in a strange position. On last season's form Rooney isnt United's best player as a front man, that much is clear if the club decide to continue with one up front he'll be playing off the forward, if at all. In the meantime United have a ready made replacement in Kagawa who looks like he may be finding his feet and has the potential to really kick on this season - if given the chance.
There are obviously issues of some kind with Rooney. For whatever reason he wasnt the player last year he has been in the past - his fitness, touch, temprament just weren't there. It may be a blip in his career - or the start of a slide. He's played a lot of games for a 27 year old, perhaps not reached the heights many expected and could have played his best football.
I can see why United and Moyes are not prepared to commit what would be at least £40 million to a new deal, and why they want to see what he does this year. If he gets that deal and doesn't perform - what then? The club are lumbered with a player on huge wages who they can't move on and who may be difficut if he's not playing.
I understand some people looking back on what he's achieved and worrying that its wrong to send him to a rival, and fair enough. But for me, unless the club are convinced he can contribute over the full length of his contract then keeping him just to keep him away from Chelsea or Arsenal just isnt a good enough reason.
If he goes to Chelsea we'll probably see knee-jerk thread started every time he has a decent game - but its about what he does over the next 5 years for me, not this season alone. United may move him on and invest the money in top players who improve the side, and if so, I'm happy with that.
Looking at it critically and logically - despite Rooney's undoubted talent and contributions the question remains whether the club are getting enough value for money to justify giving him a new contract and caving in to his demands.
United find themselves in a strange position. On last season's form Rooney isnt United's best player as a front man, that much is clear if the club decide to continue with one up front he'll be playing off the forward, if at all. In the meantime United have a ready made replacement in Kagawa who looks like he may be finding his feet and has the potential to really kick on this season - if given the chance.
There are obviously issues of some kind with Rooney. For whatever reason he wasnt the player last year he has been in the past - his fitness, touch, temprament just weren't there. It may be a blip in his career - or the start of a slide. He's played a lot of games for a 27 year old, perhaps not reached the heights many expected and could have played his best football.
I can see why United and Moyes are not prepared to commit what would be at least £40 million to a new deal, and why they want to see what he does this year. If he gets that deal and doesn't perform - what then? The club are lumbered with a player on huge wages who they can't move on and who may be difficut if he's not playing.
I understand some people looking back on what he's achieved and worrying that its wrong to send him to a rival, and fair enough. But for me, unless the club are convinced he can contribute over the full length of his contract then keeping him just to keep him away from Chelsea or Arsenal just isnt a good enough reason.
If he goes to Chelsea we'll probably see knee-jerk thread started every time he has a decent game - but its about what he does over the next 5 years for me, not this season alone. United may move him on and invest the money in top players who improve the side, and if so, I'm happy with that.
It's becoming obvious that the club are trying to get him to put in a written transfer request. I wish they would just get rid. I am getting sick of all this.
If this does actually originate from Rooney the choice of words are interesting.
After 9 year he doesn't need to prove anything? That attitude has no place at Utd and if its really how it feels I'd argue its the reason we're in the situation we're in. The fact that Real, Barca etc aren't exactly lining up for him should maybe tell him something.
That said, I think he's tailor made for Chelsea and if we sell to them, be it for 25 or 35 million I think it will be a huge mistake, if only in the short term.
After 9 year he doesn't need to prove anything? That attitude has no place at Utd and if its really how it feels I'd argue its the reason we're in the situation we're in. The fact that Real, Barca etc aren't exactly lining up for him should maybe tell him something.
That said, I think he's tailor made for Chelsea and if we sell to them, be it for 25 or 35 million I think it will be a huge mistake, if only in the short term.
I agree, I think he is trying to bully us into guaranteed playing time and where he plays. As you say it is interesting that none of the big european sides want him. That must have been a blow. However I think he is hankering after going to Chelsea. If Chelsea want him make them pay big or get one of the good players in part-ex. If we are going to strengthen them up front, weaken them somewhere else.
I hope if we do sell Rooney to a domestic rival we do it fairly late on in the window so he doesn't get much pre-season with them. Don't care if it means he goes for a reduced price, I don't want him going there fit and ready to play straight away.
I have been out of the loop on this for a few days, what happened? what did moyes say? did he tell rooney to go feck a duck? does he think wayne is shit? are we selling or keeping this cnut?
I don't want him, seems to be on the decline, doesn't look after himself and grossly overpaid, with little/no re-sale value.
I think we could do better elsewhere, although winding United up about "the white Pele" and "once was a red, always a blue" would be fun.
Push him really hard in a weeks training so he naturally injures himself too. Out for pre season and possibly 2 games.
I can't believe I'm actually wanting him gone now, I've always been in favour of United trying to work through all his shit, but feck it.
Let him go. Would Monaco take him? Big pay, no Champions League, hot weather, Coleen would love it.
I still think he'll stay. His awful PR team are clearly at work again but that's not to say Wayne isn't a massive bellend. If we do sell him, I'd rather sell him for a pittance abroad than to Chelsea. feck Chelsea.
Selling to a domestic rival could come back and bite us on the ass big time. Sell him abroad somewhere if we can. Otherwise just let him sit on the bench and become a fat feck so nobody wants him.
Yeah he'll stay.
Woodward's statement we're not afraid of the players running down their contract was a clear indication that they won't be bullied by Rooney.
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