How much are we willing to sell him off for? 28 million squids seems awfully low for Engurlund's first choice striker?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Look, if you have a player like Rooney, and you don't want him to leave, when the press ask you stuff about him, you blow smoke up their ass and make everything sound like its rosy.
You don't come out and say you need him if your other striker is injured, no matter what way you meant it.
You don't come out and say you need him if your other striker is injured, no matter what way you meant it.
Doesn't that statements imply no change t the status quo of last season, than RVP is first choice for the No 9 role? That is no great surprise i'd have thought.
However i am also inclined to believe that the club had grown tired of Rooney crouching in the trees giggling away, so loosed the hounds to prompt some movement. There are pros and cons to attempting the Daniel Levy approach, taking this to the wire may not be suit Moyes' plans.
Maybe I read into it differently than everyone else, but to me it was a case of "These two are my first choice pair, and if anything happens to one I'll really need the other, though I'll still give the other two games".
Maybe that's just me though.
Yeah, it makes perfect sense to insult a player who you don't want to sell.
Or maybe you do want to sell him, do you make sure you get a good price by claiming he's still an important part of the clubs plans and only a really good offer would tempt you to sell? Nah, just say he's a back up. That'll knock about 5 mill off his value right away.
Bit funny that you have to 'read into it' to come to that conclusion, though and that's my point. He should have just mad it abundantly clear that Rooney is a vital part of the team and left the other nonsense out of it.
You mean like the interview before that where Moyes kept telling the press how great he was in training since he'd arrived?
Yep, should have kept it like that.
That's what jumped out at me when I read it. I didn't think "He says Rooney is a back-up" when I saw what he said. Like I say, maybe it's just me and maybe I'm wrong entirely. I just don't think he was calling Rooney a substitute, especially since he said he'd want to play them both. That sounds like a striking partnership to me, not a stater and a back-up.
So you don't think he could have put it any better? You don't think it was even the slightest bit off that the first thing you say when asked about a player in this position is 'we'll need him if our other striker is injured' ?
C'mon now.
I know exactly what he's doing he's sending a message to Rooney and trying to appease the fans who want him gone by putting him in his place, all well and good but it should be done in the managers office, not in the press.
Meh, I'm bored of it to be honest. I've gone past caring what happens to Wayne Rooney, and don't feel like wasting any more of my precious time discussing him.
Especially when there are transfer threads I can be getting myself banned from.
Especially when there are transfer threads I can be getting myself banned from.
So I win, then?
If it pleases you.
It does, thanks.
Ekeke said Rooney was unprofessional because despite what was going on behind the scenes his performance should not have dropped. I disagree hard to give your best in any job when other things are going on off the pitch, that was my point. Ronaldo was not as effective in his final season as he was the two years before I don't want to debate that because this is the Rooney thread but I know what I saw. Rooney at no time has been as bad as Ronaldo, yet he is still adored here??? I agree if he wants to leave he should come out and say it maybe United have said no English clubs while Chelsea and Arsenal are the only teams interested?? That's what I mean about speculation guessing what he or the club may be thinking, when really I have no clue.
Extremely daft by Moyes to come out and say that about Rooney.
Well it's good to know this is all Moyes fault.
The Rooney situation overall is by no means Moyes' fault.
Coming out and saying he's back up to the main striker, is.
Be under no illusion, though. I am a Moyes supporter and if it came to choosing sides between him and Rooney, I'd choose our new manager. I just think this particular incident could have been handled much better and his quotes, taken out of context or not, were unfortunate, at best.
People have every right to be pissed off at Rooney but in this case, Rooney has every right to be pissed off at Moyes.
At this point I think it's safe to assume Rooney would use anything he can to make a complaint and make it seem like he's being wronged. It is a shame Moyes worded his statement the way he did. I think it's pretty clear what he actually meant but it's easy to see how you could twist it to make it seem like he meant to say Rooney will be RvP's backup.
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I think that considering that Moyes has been speaking to Rooney many times since he got there; I don't think there is a big misunderstanding or distrust between the two.
This whole situation in manufactured to enable Rooney to get out of OT without asking for a written transfer (and losing his loyalty bonus/transfer cut) and Moyes selling him at the maximum price.
Its just for putting him onto Amsterdam-like shop window.
This whole situation in manufactured to enable Rooney to get out of OT without asking for a written transfer (and losing his loyalty bonus/transfer cut) and Moyes selling him at the maximum price.
Its just for putting him onto Amsterdam-like shop window.
#thingsthatconfuseandangerwaynerooney is going nicely.
I agree with the Don and that has been my point all along just not in this particular situation, but we could have handled the whole Rooney saga better than we have done. Some fans saying Rooney has handed in two transfer requests (including 2010) this just goes to show some people don't even know what is going on. He has never handed the club a formal transfer request, anyway that's all old news now. We should have kept this in house Moyes and Woodward have decided to basically alienate him fully, this will only end with him being sold I hope it happens sooner rather than later.
I knew Moyes would come in with this stance, once Sir Alex went public he pretty much made this an issue Moyes would have to handle from day one. Not the best way to start at a new club, but as long as this doesn't hurt us on the pitch, (which we can only actually gauge during the season) I am fine with Rooney leaving. He has been a great player for this club, say what you want about him but he has been an important part of every title he has won here. This bad blood between Rooney and the club has been festering for a while hence (since 2010) the treatment he is receiving now. I assume they believe his best days are past because otherwise you would try your best to keep him around??
I knew Moyes would come in with this stance, once Sir Alex went public he pretty much made this an issue Moyes would have to handle from day one. Not the best way to start at a new club, but as long as this doesn't hurt us on the pitch, (which we can only actually gauge during the season) I am fine with Rooney leaving. He has been a great player for this club, say what you want about him but he has been an important part of every title he has won here. This bad blood between Rooney and the club has been festering for a while hence (since 2010) the treatment he is receiving now. I assume they believe his best days are past because otherwise you would try your best to keep him around??
I don't see Rooney being a Manchester United player by the start of the season but I don't think we'll sell him until we've brought in a marquee signing. That way, he can feck off out the back door and nobody will even notice.
This whole thing's been a bit of a joke really, and thus far nobody has come out looking smart. Not the club, not Moyes, not Rooney. Messy.
This whole thing's been a bit of a joke really, and thus far nobody has come out looking smart. Not the club, not Moyes, not Rooney. Messy.
I thought it was hilarious to be honest.
Moyes knew what he was doing, he could have worded it many different ways to flatter Wayne but he did said it like that purposely. I think he will go to Chelsea, I doubt any of the big clubs abroad will get involved which just shows how is stock has fallen. I imagine he will get back to his best physically and in that no.9 role he will be prolific. It will strengthen Chelsea but the team can't continue with this hanging over their heads.
How and where would he fit at Chelski? Abundance of riches in midfield so they will most likely only play one on top.
Get rid of Torres and rely on Shrek? Lukaku is brilliant talent with hugh Drogba upside.
Get rid of Torres and rely on Shrek? Lukaku is brilliant talent with hugh Drogba upside.
Wayne Rooney up top is a better more prolific player than Lukaku, who while being very promising is only 20. Anyone who is buying him is thinking of a Rooney who is fit and is hungry to show how good he is again. Rooney has shown what he can do upfront, he gets you 30 goals a season and with the support he will have from the likes of Mata, Hazard, Oscar and De Bruyne he will do well there in all honesty. He will be happy so will be at his best.
I would swap for Lukaku and cash for Rooney. Will give us some options.
Silk & steel with RVP.
Silk & steel with RVP.
As a striker obviously. He is miles better than Ba and Torres with Ba/Lukaku being the 2nd choice for them.
That said, Chelsea still need a defender/midfielder to shore up their defense. Dunno why they are in after a striker. A striker should be their last priority.
Keeping him for another year may not be such a good idea, either. Rooney's coming off his worst season in years. Add to it another potentially average season, where he'll sulk and continue his well documented off pitch activities while getting older, potential injuries that may affect his form and suddenly, with only a year left on the contract and on the back of now two so-so seasons he may not command even the fees you may get offered now. Plus, let's not forget that he costs his club a fortune in wages every year, whether he plays well or not.
United need to choose what's best for them, and I believe selling Rooney at this point is better than keeping him. Now, where they would be prepared to sell him to, that's a different story.
He's still your mouth piece.
The way I read it: he needs both of them, preferably at the same time, with Rooney likely playing the more attacking midfield position. However, were RVP to get injured, he'd need Rooney to lead the line.
Rooney needs to stop being so fecking precious and get over himself. For the money he's earning, he should worry less about being 'second fiddle' (honestly, do you think the likes of Iniesta or Ozil concern themselves with such trivial things?) and worry more about coming to work in shape, each and every week, and hopefully reproducing the sort of form he displayed a few years ago (incidentally, around the time he held us to ransom because he didn't think we were bringing in quality players.)
Being England's first choice striker is hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?
When Carroll could fetch 35 million pounds, then Rooney is worth ....
I am going to go on a different tangent here
I think most will see the Carroll transfer (much like the Torres one) as a market aberration, rather than some kind of benchmark.
I'd take 25 million from Rooney, unless we sold him to City or Chelsea, in which case, an extra 10 million needs to be charged.
He is not worth 25M. He worth way more.
In the other thread people are talking about Fellaini for 25M. Thiago went for around 25M. Do you really think Rooney would be worth just 25?!
In the other thread people are talking about Fellaini for 25M. Thiago went for around 25M. Do you really think Rooney would be worth just 25?!
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