Sadly, I guarantee that if the story was 'Rooney angered and confused by new Nike offer', he'd be on Twitter denying it quicker than you can say "He...is...a...legend..."
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Sadly, I guarantee that if the story was 'Rooney angered and confused by new Nike offer', he'd be on Twitter denying it quicker than you can say "He...is...a...legend..."
Sell him and buy Lewandowski you say?
Just heard a clip of somebody saying they named their dog Rooney.
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I disagree. Read my posts again. Properly this time. I have stated several times in this thread that I don't agree with how he has treated the club, and if he goes I don't think it will be the end of the world. What you can't fault is his contribution to Manchester United, and what he has achieved at this club. He has been a major force behind our success, and has played an influential role in Championship and European Cup winning squads. Only 25 players have made 400 appearances for the club, and his goal scoring record speaks for itself.
So yeah, I see why certain people want him gone, and again, we have the resources to cope with his departure, but I think he deserves a bit more credit than he is getting here. If he can develop a relationship with the right people at Chelsea, and he can regain some of that confidence he is as good an all-round player as anyone in the league for me.
Media haven't started this, Fergie did after the Swansea game. I am not sure why he's afraid of coming out in public and clearing this mess up.
What the feck is up with this guys mannerisms. It's as though he is spelling it out as clear as possible repeating everything 8 times because his audience is a bunch of illiterate feckmumps.Are you serious ? Did you see some of his performances ? It's his lack of fitness and commitment that started this.
Glad to get rid.
We're on the same page so far.
Not faulting his contribution at all. He's been a major part of our success.
Deserves more credit as a footballer? Definitely. If people didnt rate him as a player, they wouldnt mind selling him to a rival. He's a top striker which is why I want him fecked off abroad rather than to City or Chelsea.
What I didnt agree with in your 1st post was giving him respect. He deserves feckall respect after his actions. Top player but a cnut who doesnt deserve any respect after his recent drama when most people had forgiven him for his 2010 contract drama.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
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Seeing a lot of the posts here through the season, I don't think so.
But why is it anymore ridiculous that letting Rooney go cheap? By not paying that extra £6m did we not just let him go to one of our domestic rivals? The point about Bebe was that we do deal with agents when it suits us. I'd rather have paid the Bebe money to get Hazard personally.
Do you really think Imbra will stay with Cavani coming? Even if they don't need cash I can't see him wanting to stay. Lukau isn't Rooneys level by any means but I meant they could use Imbra who is better than Rooney for a few seasons and see how he develops. Benteke could step up very well, we're speculating that Rooney will find his fitness etc why couldn't benteke make the step up? There's no guarantee with Rooney even if it is a surer bet. Suarez is an option as well, well potentially depends how Ivanovic feels I guess! Who knows where Lewandowski will go.
As I said in my other post, however Rooney has acted this season hasn't been reflected in anything we've heard from the players. Kagawa has just come out and said how much he's learning from Rooney and praising his workrate etc? We really don't know how much Rooney is a bad influence there. As I said him slagging off the players for cash didn't seem to do to much harm between the players, if it did with Fergie.
I agree we should sort it out, I'm just saying that at £20/£25m we would be selling him cheap, when he could well be worth more to us if he stayed and we took a chance on him getting back on track than letting him go. But if we did let him go and another team came in for a considerably better off domestically and we already had a target to reinvest in I'd rather take that. As I said even if you sell abroad there's no guarantee he wouldn't just head back in a season or two anyway.
That guy is fecking weird. He needs to realise there's more to life than football transfers.
All this smacks of rooney having his nose put out to me. These quotes from Moyes are being used in an effort to undermine him before he even starts. He has only said what we all knew to be true anyway. SAF used him as back up to RVP last season, whihc to me is an obvious indicator that he didn't feel Rooney was as good an option as RVP would be.
I don't know why the situation now is any more confusing to Rooney than it was under SAF last season. SAF signed RVP for more punch up front than Rooney was providing, and that decision was fully justified when we won the title back by some distance. Moyes has only reaffirmed publicly what we already knew, Rooney is simply trying to use these new quotes as some type of justification for wanting to leave.
For me he can go. He is no longer the player he was a few years ago, and that is why SAF spent big on an aging RVP, rather than sticking with Rooney. He also signed Kagawa as an alternative in the hole. So SAF had clearly lost faith in rooney and was probably hoping for a more positive reaction from him rather than attempting to force him out. in my view Rooney has brought this situation upon himself, and Moyes has done the right thing in giving him no guarantees. What else could he reasonably do? Tell him he was the main man all of a sudden? No chance, you have to earn your spot at a club like Utd, nobody should be guaranteed anything based on past performances, it's got to be current performances that get you in the team, or where is the motivation for other players who are trying to break through?
whether he leaves or not he should sack the fecking tool who advises him. He is ruining all he has achieved here through poor advice. A very disappointing end to what should have been viewed as a legendary career here.
I don't know why the situation now is any more confusing to Rooney than it was under SAF last season. SAF signed RVP for more punch up front than Rooney was providing, and that decision was fully justified when we won the title back by some distance. Moyes has only reaffirmed publicly what we already knew, Rooney is simply trying to use these new quotes as some type of justification for wanting to leave.
For me he can go. He is no longer the player he was a few years ago, and that is why SAF spent big on an aging RVP, rather than sticking with Rooney. He also signed Kagawa as an alternative in the hole. So SAF had clearly lost faith in rooney and was probably hoping for a more positive reaction from him rather than attempting to force him out. in my view Rooney has brought this situation upon himself, and Moyes has done the right thing in giving him no guarantees. What else could he reasonably do? Tell him he was the main man all of a sudden? No chance, you have to earn your spot at a club like Utd, nobody should be guaranteed anything based on past performances, it's got to be current performances that get you in the team, or where is the motivation for other players who are trying to break through?
whether he leaves or not he should sack the fecking tool who advises him. He is ruining all he has achieved here through poor advice. A very disappointing end to what should have been viewed as a legendary career here.
I'm sure he has his reasons. To succeed at a club like United you need an 'ego' to some extent, and being left out of a Champions League Quater Final against Real Madrid will have hurt him, and I would be concerned if it didn't. I would have thought that a fresh start would have done him good, and he has recieved a great deal of support from the players during this period. Both current and ex. Shame certain fans haven't reacted in a similar way, but that's to be expected. He obviously feels as though he need a move away, and if that turns out to be the case then so be it.
We have the players to recover from if he does leave, but I would hate to see him at another Premier League club. Think we all know full well that he would succeed if he went to Chelsea and again, there aren't to many better in this country when he does click.
His actions now have brought back all the memories from the 2010 saga. It certainly has in my case. I could never idolize him the way I did pre 2010 when I really thought he was different to all footballers but I still supported him as he played for the club. Its gone beyond a limit after the recent drama though.
We cannot overpay to block all transfers to our rivals Ash. But we can not sell our player to them. The bebe deal made no sense at all, so lets not use that and add that money to hazard's deal. doubt anyone would disagree to what you're saying.
I dont know about Ibra's situation with Cavani. Heard Cavani's agent saying Ibra wouldnt be comfortable iirc but nothing concrete. Chelsea could try and prise him away but it'd be very difficult as barca are finding out. Rossel has said how its a case of the player(silva) forcing a move himself as PSG arent even interested in discussing a transfer because they dont need cash at all. Consider what wages Ibra is on too and what kind of contract he'd want, he wont settle for a 2 year deal. Can Chelsea afford that? Even if they can, its their call to make the investment, we cant do anything about it. what we can do though is not sell them our 2nd best striker.
you dont think its a needless burden on moyes as well? His recent comments about not allowing the player to become bigger than the club and him finding all the questions regarding rooney tiresome already surely point to that. Its needless shit our manager and team can do without. 25mil is cheap for him, no doubt but after the season he's just had and with everything out in public, we arent in a great situation. tough shit but it is what it is. Whatever Chelsea offer(which cant be more than 35mil would you say), I dont see why a foreign club wouldnt offer that minus 10. the 10mil that we lose out on, we recoup in wages saved in a year. And no, i dont think its as easy as going abroad now and then returning after a year. the club that buys him now wouldnt be willing to act as a stop gap.
Has he actually said anything?
An awful lot of crazy talk about Rooney in here. Yeah he's been an absolute gimp about the whole thing but anyone who thinks he's no longer the player he used to be and somehow in decline as a footballer at the age where strikers generally hit their peak is either blinded by this whole saga or just criminally underrates him. If he goes to the right club where he's the main man again he will be back to his very best.
You cant seriously believe that Rooney was "told" anything through Moyes comments to the press. A) He didnt say Rooney is a backup B) Even if it was decided Rooney is a back up, he'd be told before the press C) Rooney brought the situation upon himself and has nobody to blame but himself. The length people go to defend him is retarded
Not if it was a firm "I am not leaving" denial. Admittedly speculation would begin over the contract negotiations etc but the current furore is over is he staying or going this summer.
What do you think is going on with Rooney then? Since Ferguson's remarks we have hear nothing from Rooney apart from a particularly strange statement regarding the removal of Manchester United from his Twitter bio. Rooney, accurately judging that this was the key concern of Manchester United fans and the media at large, was quick to deny it had occurred.
Suppose I grant that this story and others are fabricated. Why is Rooney so conspicuously silent? Why has Moyes pointedly avoided discussing the player's attitude? The stories saying he wants to leave are made up but he sort of does want to leave?
I totally agree that he should have felt hurt at being left out vs Real. But the response should have been to prove his worth by upping his game rather than throwing his toys out of the pram and asking for a transfer. That's a pathetic response.
Your 2nd paragraph is exactly why almost everyone wants him sold abroad. People rate him as a player, sad its turned out the way it has. He had everything in his hands to go down as a club legend.
What baffles me the most is how any supporter wants him to stay, although i think its a minority.
For me, i couldn't give a flying feck how good he is, he could be Pele and Maradona cloned in to one for all i care, once you treat the club and the fans the way he has, it has to be curtains, it has to be ''get the feck out you ungrateful prick''.
-2010 puts in transfer request
-claims club lacks ambition... the same club run by Sir Alex
-2013 wants to leave again
-new manager comes in and he refuses to clarify he wants to be here
His behavior is appalling and no way should we stand for it,
For me, i couldn't give a flying feck how good he is, he could be Pele and Maradona cloned in to one for all i care, once you treat the club and the fans the way he has, it has to be curtains, it has to be ''get the feck out you ungrateful prick''.
-2010 puts in transfer request
-claims club lacks ambition... the same club run by Sir Alex
-2013 wants to leave again
-new manager comes in and he refuses to clarify he wants to be here
His behavior is appalling and no way should we stand for it,
Go read this http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...ted-david-de-gea-2057433#.UeXDJRONFeA.twitter about Big Dave talking about when he was dropped.
Compare to Rooney situation.
Compare to Rooney situation.
It just wouldn't though.
Papers print lies, fans believe lies, fans get angry, papers get sold. Papers print lies, fans believe lies, fans get angry, papers get sold. Player denies all, fans calm down, papers don't get sold, fans move on, paper prints lies, fans believe lies, fans get angry, papers get sold.
Yep. Being dropped made him realise he had to do better. Lad tries to do better cause he wants to be up there with Pete and Edwin.
Rooney is dropped, doesn't try harder and then wah wah wah i'm not the main man wah.
This shite is on the front page of tomorrow's Sun.
Funny how these 'sources close to Rooney' reckon that he should be backed with a new contract. Deja vu, anyone?
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Indeed. He seems to be the sort of character who takes rejection to heart, and that's possibly where he clashed with SAF personality wise. It's been made perfectly clear that Van Persie is our first choice striker now, and you can't argue with that whatsoever looking back at last season. As I say, he has been instrumental in our success since he signed for the club, and his goal scoring record is phenomenal really. Some important goals in there too.
He is a quality player at the end of the day, and he has done a lot for this football club. That needs to be remembered. Shame it has to end like this, because he would have gone down as a club legend. Unfortunately people will remember the negatives surrounding him as a character, rather than his ability and quality as a player.
Indeed. He seems to be the sort of character who takes rejection to heart, and that's possibly where he clashed with SAF personality wise. It's been made perfectly clear that Van Persie is our first choice striker now, and you can't argue with that whatsoever looking back at last season. As I say, he has been instrumental in our success since he signed for the club, and his goal scoring record is phenomenal really. Some important goals in there too.
He is a quality player at the end of the day, and he has done a lot for this football club. That needs to be remembered. Shame it has to end like this, because he would have gone down as a club legend. Unfortunately people will remember the negatives surrounding him as a character, rather than his ability and quality as a player.
Angry and confused? What is he, a caveman? Disappointed it has turned out like this. I would imagine the club wants to bring in a big name to replace him not only on the field but off the field too.
I am glad the grip of control you have on the club is purely vicarious and in your own head. You can enjoy the blight on your personal fandom.
It's abhorrent. What an utterly dispicable human being.Knobhead.
He's such a fecking thick twat. Get rid. Not to London.
TBF you have to say Moyes' comments about being a "backup" were meant to be deliberately inflammatory. Had he simply left it as wanting them to play together there wouldn't have been a problem.
You have to wonder why Moyes went down this route, either that or he didn't realize what he was saying which would be a very bad thing.
You have to wonder why Moyes went down this route, either that or he didn't realize what he was saying which would be a very bad thing.
He is only worth what someone else is willing to pay Ash, and with all this going on he is simply not going to be worth as much. Do we really want to sit tight on this spiting ourselves over an extra 5 or 6 million? He is on 250k a week, he wants to go, and we don't really want him or we wouldn't be enduring this whole issue right now. Let's get rid asap, put an end to this and move on. I for one have had more than enough of this shit already, i certainly don't want this to drag on for the remainder of the window only to find we are still stuck with him come the start of the season, because we were too fecking greedy.
Let someone who really wants him pay his 250k a week. I don't see any value in getting stuck with an unhappy player by quibbling over a few extra million. It's just pointless, it will not impact on our transfer kitty, and as a fan i don't give a feck how much the glazers get for Rooney, they should be happy enough to be saving on paying his wages for warming the bench. Moyes is going to have enough on his plate next season without having to deal with the never ending press coverage surrounding Rooney's ongoing situation. We have had our money's worth out of Rooney, let's just put as swift an end to this sorry saga as possible, so we can concentrate on bringing new players in and getting ready for next season.
Christ, we don't know he's on 250k, I've heard everything ranging from 150k to 300k, for some reason though the Caf has settled on 250k despite 180k being a far more broadcast wage in the media.
This is the most frustrating thing. You'd think RvP being here and knowing that he is no longer in droppable would motivate him, instead he just spent half the season pouting and didn't give a shit once he realized Sir Alex would sub/sit him out. All this after demanding that United bring in more top quality players to match his ambition.
I don't really give a shit where he goes, I'd rather him be at Chelsea or City than at United next season.
He's been here 9 years and clearly thinks he should be worth more to United than he actually is. Time for him to move on - will serve all parties best as would be very surprised if this is repairable now.
Speaks volumes of how his reputation has been tainted when the vast majority of fans on this forum have had enough of the whole situation and won't be too disappointed to see him go despite his excellent record and years of service.
Speaks volumes of how his reputation has been tainted when the vast majority of fans on this forum have had enough of the whole situation and won't be too disappointed to see him go despite his excellent record and years of service.
I see Chelsea have their mouthpiece Martin Lipton on the case. Failure is not an option.
I would love it if we sold Rodney and he declined so badly that he ended up playing for Tranmere Rovers at the age of 33 and Fergie releases an updated version of his book and the line "Yeah Wayne never asked for a transfer. I made it up so I could shaft the wee bastard for what happened in 2010...Take that ye scouse bag of shit!"
I'm not vindictive in any way
I'm not vindictive in any way
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