Bollocks. Moyes is taking the same line as Fergie: Rooney might think he's top dog but he's not been proving it on the pitch. And that's how United should be run. If Rooney thinks there's another club somewhere that will praise him for substandard performances then good luck to him. United should cash in.
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Bollocks. Moyes is taking the same line as Fergie: Rooney might think he's top dog but he's not been proving it on the pitch. And that's how United should be run. If Rooney thinks there's another club somewhere that will praise him for substandard performances then good luck to him. United should cash in.
Do people defending him think he wants to be a Manchester United player? It's pretty evident, to me anyway, that Rooney wants out.
If true, and no clubs abroad is willing to make the bid for him, I say we stick him in the reserves and let him wait till his contract ends before we let him go.
LOL this thread always devolves into pointless arguing between the many vs the few Rooney lovers.
It's down to whether or not you think he actually wants to leave. Some do. Some don't. For those that do, everything reported over the past few months makes sense and holds weight (lol) and we now want him to leave. For those who don't, nothing he's apparently said is quoted anywhere and this is all speculation. Arguing the point with each other is utterly pointless.
It's down to whether or not you think he actually wants to leave. Some do. Some don't. For those that do, everything reported over the past few months makes sense and holds weight (lol) and we now want him to leave. For those who don't, nothing he's apparently said is quoted anywhere and this is all speculation. Arguing the point with each other is utterly pointless.
I don't want a player at United that doesn't want to be there and is apparently attempting to force a move out via the media, that's just me though.
Glazer family will never allow that, he needs to go in this transfer window.
Could this really be happening then? No matter how you look at it, it's gonna sting to lose a player who's still quite comfortably top class when he wants to be. That said, I'm fine with trusting Moyes on this one. The water's too muddy now to feel strongly about this one way or the other.
I think both the player and the club want to part ways. What I don't understand (well I do, I just don't agree with) everyone turning on him, telling him to feck off and pretending like he insulted the club when Rooney hasn't come out and actually said anything yet.
Caf, you are all too predictable. Source-free, quote-free media reports on Rooney, cue hysterical meltdown.
I don't think Moyes' comments were even suggesting that he's going to bench Rooney as back-up for RVP. After all, he was talking about playing him in all sorts of other positions. He just meant that if we do lose RVP to injury, Rooney is the only one with enough quality to step up and fill that role.
I don't think Moyes' comments were even suggesting that he's going to bench Rooney as back-up for RVP. After all, he was talking about playing him in all sorts of other positions. He just meant that if we do lose RVP to injury, Rooney is the only one with enough quality to step up and fill that role.
Me too.
And why I think he has to be shown the door. Seems at least a couple of seasons now that he's had one foot out the door.
We're going to make a profit from transfers this summer, I've just realised that. 
No everyone was just insulted by his statement, the temerity of all. In hindsight this situation just compounds it. He wants to leave because we signed a better player. SAF let Rooney know his place very well and I think he never forgave him for 2010 either, SAF said he needed to get his head right and here we are a few weeks into a new manager's tenure and Rooney's dragging his feet still. What exactly were the point of those talks? I'm also pretty pissed off that Rooney in as good a shape as he has been for a few years because he has move in sight.
Rooney needs to grow some balls and release a press statement either stating he is committed to the club or wants to leave.
I honestly think that Rooney was a little unsure about what his role in the team is and hence he decided to ask Fergie if he has any important role in the team or not. I really don't think he put in a formal request, it was probably more like some reassurances about his future and then for whatever reason, Fergie decides to make it public and make his position untenable with the fans. And if he does want to leave, I'd respect his decision. He's given us 9 of the best years of his career and I'll wish him well wherever he goes.
If he does that, and a move away fails to materialise, he'll be feckin' hounded by the fans.
At least as it stands, Wayne can come out and deny it all should he need to. What are sky sauces? And how does it taste?
We're going to make a profit from transfers this summer, I've just realised that.
We need to repair our budget after Varela's juggernaut deal.Whichever way you look at it, it wasn't exactly reassuring for Rooney and his fans.
Come on, players rarely make public statements about leaving. They do what Rooney has done, get his agent to spin stories about the club being the bad guy. If he makes a public statement he might not get his loyalty bonus...
Who are ultimately working for Rooney, if he so wished he could shut down all briefing of the media from his 'people'.
For that matter Wayne could speak directly through Twitter so let's not try and pretend he bears no responsibility for his PR shall we?
Okay, thanks Paul.
It doesn't take balls to say he's staying. The fact he hasnt said that is pretty telling though.
Winning the league is arguably worth more than the sum that's being thrown around for Rooney's supposed value, do you honestly think it's worth selling him to City/Chelsea?
Someone needs to tell this to Rooney though. I don't think he'd be "angry and confused" if this was made clear to him.
Man, Moyes hasn't been given an easy start to his new gig, eh?
If Rooney didn't ask for a transfer I really don't know what Fergie has to gain by saying that he asked for a transfer. Especially since he was retiring and wouldn't have to deal with it again.
Wr8 your version makes no sense and you really are clutching at straws.
Wr8 your version makes no sense and you really are clutching at straws.
It's not really about value at this point, and even then we can still win the league without Rooney. If a player doesn't want to play for a team, I'd rather start the campaign without that player, even if it does reduce our overall quality.
That will only happen when he goes, he will say he wanted to stay but was force out bey the club, SAF , Moyes anybody he can think off.
If anyone on here thinks he doesn't want out then let them know I have an exciting investment opportunity for them involving a batch of magic beans..
Well, it's shit like Rooney that made Fergie want to hand off the job to Moyes.
Really? The way I read it (as described in that post), it pretty much just maintained what I already knew: Rooney will be played in a number of positions next season, some of which might not be his favourite (I liked this, since it suggested we might see Kagawa at #10). And Rooney is important, and one of the reasons for this is that if RVP gets injured, we're going to be relying on Wayne for a lot of our goals.
People see what they want to see with Rooney. You might say that's what I'm doing, but I also think it's what lots of anti-Rooney or 'he's definitely gone' hysterics on here jump to do every time anything about him comes out. A long list of things which we have been told by the media without any real evidence are taken as established fact on here, things which would be rubbished in the transfer forum as unsourced rumour-mongering.
What exactly has his agent done to make United look bad? Say that he never handed in a transfer request, which is the truth as far as we know? Big players move on all the time, and it is very unlikely that a player will end on good terms with the club if he's still at a good age and is somebody as good as Rooney. The fans almost always turn on him, no matter how the past 9 years have gone, no matter what this player helped you achieve during that time, which is something that I find stupid. Nobody has ever forced him to stay at United for his whole career, and now that he is 27 and just had a season where he was in and out of the team, and dropped for the biggest game of the season and forced to do a Ji Sung Park job for the second biggest game, I understand why he would want to leave.
Yes, unfortunately that will be the case. Big bad United favoured some damn Dutch player over me
But seriously, your understanding is that Wayne felt he wasn't sure where he stood in the team - despite that being obviously clear - so asked Fergie for reassurances. Fergie being the massive spiteful liar we know him to be, decided to completely make up a conversation they had where Rooney mentioned he wants to leave and tells the media about it. Is that right?
Rather than an out and out demand to leave the club, I believe that it was probably a petulant outburst from Rooney, a "if your not gonna play me then I want to leave" moment that he probably didnt 100% mean.
Evil Frogie. Never was any good!
We have no idea if he is. Sky Sports have just said that, with no quote or source in sight. This is what I mean - two bits of meaningless media bullshit tend to be taken as more reliable on here than one, which is silly.
I'm all for criticising him for his form last season and even his decision to want to leave, I just don't understand the point Moyes was trying to make earlier in the week, nobody wins from what he said.
Swap him for Fabregas. Win-win.
This. Some of the nonsense sources that become the basis for 10 pages of gossip on here would be frowned upon in the Transfer forum.
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