Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Beachryan said:
He's been hung out to dry by first Ferguson and now Moyes. I don't know who runs our f*cking PR team, but they might as well be the same dipsh*ts that 'handled' the Suarez/Evra affair for LFC.

Situation: Most important player in team for last 3 seasons is disgruntled at having limited gametime in current season, and being played out of position all the time. Goes to manager, tells him this. As Ferguson (and presumably Manchester United) do you:
a. Tell the press he asked to leave, and you’ve dropped him accordingly
b. Tell the press he’s ‘picked up a knock/isn’t totally fit’ and rest him for 2 matches, then sort it out in the summer behind closed doors
c. Don’t tell the press anything

Now you’re a new manager and have inherited a player rightly pissed off with the club for having his private discussion aired publically, who is still the 2nd best attacker at the club and probably the most marquee player. Do you:
a. Put an arm around him, say everything will be different now and you want to work with him to build the best team with him as a key component
b. Continually refuse to answer direct questions and refer to his current fitness instead, implying his previous fitness was poor
c. Release public statements hanging him even further out to dry (both the CEO and Moyes)

It’s just a shambles of PR in every way. Either we want to keep one of our only truly class players or we want to maximise his sale so we can attempt to replace his contribution. Under both of those scenarios, we want to maintain appearances that he is settled and a huge bid would be necessary. Instead it’s like the club are forcing him out, reducing his transfer fee and leaving us no time to replace him.

If we had the brains running our commercial department running the football side, maybe we’d do a bit f*cking better with this. Football today is about appearances, and we appear short-sighted, weak and poor at a time when the outside world are rubbing their hands are our impending collapse.


If you were a player thinking of joining us, that’s the impression you get too.
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Lol the feck is this shit?

The brains running the commercial side of the club should run the footballing side? Yeah, that fergie fella was the pits. Rode on the back of the commercial geniuses. Didnt know anything about football management for sure.
 
bosnian_red said:
Christ aren't all of you being a bunch of sensitive girls here. Rooney's perfectly entitled to want to leave the club, nobody is forcing him to stay. He's been here for 9 years and almost everyone of those 9 years he provided us with great service, and now that he isn't as important as he was maybe 2 years ago he is looking to go to a team where he would be the undisputed first choice. I really don't see the problem there. He's hardly disrespected the club this time (unlike last time where he questioned the ambition, different situation though) and he's only got 2 more years left on his contract. He's 27 years old now and I doubt he'd want to play second fiddle to Van Persie that could impact his own career.
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Why doesn't all do us a favour and man up and hand in a transfer request instead of having his agent leak tenuous stories to the media?
 
Beachryan said:
He's been hung out to dry by first Ferguson and now Moyes. I don't know who runs our f*cking PR team, but they might as well be the same dipsh*ts that 'handled' the Suarez/Evra affair for LFC.

Situation: Most important player in team for last 3 seasons is disgruntled at having limited gametime in current season, and being played out of position all the time. Goes to manager, tells him this. As Ferguson (and presumably Manchester United) do you:
a. Tell the press he asked to leave, and you’ve dropped him accordingly
b. Tell the press he’s ‘picked up a knock/isn’t totally fit’ and rest him for 2 matches, then sort it out in the summer behind closed doors
c. Don’t tell the press anything

Now you’re a new manager and have inherited a player rightly pissed off with the club for having his private discussion aired publically, who is still the 2nd best attacker at the club and probably the most marquee player. Do you:
a. Put an arm around him, say everything will be different now and you want to work with him to build the best team with him as a key component
b. Continually refuse to answer direct questions and refer to his current fitness instead, implying his previous fitness was poor
c. Release public statements hanging him even further out to dry (both the CEO and Moyes)

It’s just a shambles of PR in every way. Either we want to keep one of our only truly class players or we want to maximise his sale so we can attempt to replace his contribution. Under both of those scenarios, we want to maintain appearances that he is settled and a huge bid would be necessary. Instead it’s like the club are forcing him out, reducing his transfer fee and leaving us no time to replace him.

If we had the brains running our commercial department running the football side, maybe we’d do a bit f*cking better with this. Football today is about appearances, and we appear short-sighted, weak and poor at a time when the outside world are rubbing their hands are our impending collapse.


If you were a player thinking of joining us, that’s the impression you get too.
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I felt like setting fire to my eyes after reading that.
 
The club could have treated the Roone saga differently, but Wayne waived all his rights to the club's support when he asked to leave when we had our backs against the walls. He can't play the victim card now. What goes around comes around.
 
Unfortunate comments to be made public if true. And if true then it's certainly been made to get a move made this season.

That said, why he wouldn't be angry and confused? With Moyes outwardly saying things that make him look like a back up to RVP and that Woodward isn't in any rush to secure his services for the long term then it's easy to understand why he'd angry and confused. He doesn't seem himself as a squad player and no reason he should he after giving 10 good years at the club and him entering his peak years.

If the club's goal (read: Moyes goal) was to truly keep him motivated - could have measured comments by stating that Rooney will be integral to the team in a role other than the lead striker but, will be crucial to fill in for RVP as he has the quality to provide the same as RVP should the need arise. But, maybe in the end by eluding to Rooney as being a backup, they've achieved their goal by getting him unsettled to the point where he might force a move now.

It definitely sucks that we are so unsettled as a club on this front as well as the transfer front. Hope we get our house in order soon.
 
There was absolutely nothing wrong with what Moyes said. He simply said that if RVP gets injured we'd need him. That doesn't mean he'd be on the bench or not an important player in the mean time, it just means that a big factor of wanting to keep him is making sure we have a quality player if RVP gets injured. And since Rooney is already there, its him


Not surprised by Rooney's comments or whatever though, the club did seem to be trying to sweep it all under the rug and it was never going to work out like that
 
I reckon this is all some grand Moyes masterplan. He wanted to get rid of Rooney from the off, especially with Fergie's feelings known about it, but needed it to come from Wayne's side so he doesn't risk upsetting a lot of the fans by selling him, as would have been the case. Wayne also hasn't said anything at all on it because he doesn't want to hand in the transfer request and lose out on the money, despite definitely wanting to leave. Moyes says outright Rooney will stay and doesn't entertain the idea United will sell him, we now know where he stands. Suddenly, for no real reason he starts talking about not letting the club be about Wayne and in the same speech talks about being absolutely willing to run down a players contract, and then adds in the bit about using Wayne as cover for RVP. Wayne has to come out and respond to that, and thus makes it known he is not happy with the club, and the job is sorted. Moyes gets to sell Wayne, it looks like it's all his fault basically (he is a feck head anyway), and no-one will blame Moyes over it as ideally he would have kept him as he said (not really).
 
Beachryan said:
He's been hung out to dry by first Ferguson and now Moyes. I don't know who runs our f*cking PR team, but they might as well be the same dipsh*ts that 'handled' the Suarez/Evra affair for LFC.

Situation: Most important player in team for last 3 seasons is disgruntled at having limited gametime in current season, and being played out of position all the time. Goes to manager, tells him this. As Ferguson (and presumably Manchester United) do you:
a.Tell the press he asked to leave, and you’ve dropped him accordingly
b.Tell the press he’s ‘picked up a knock/isn’t totally fit’ and rest him for 2 matches, then sort it out in the summer behind closed doors
c.Don’t tell the press anything

Now you’re a new manager and have inherited a player rightly pissed off with the club for having his private discussion aired publically, who is still the 2nd best attacker at the club and probably the most marquee player. Do you:
a.Put an arm around him, say everything will be different now and you want to work with him to build the best team with him as a key component
b.Continually refuse to answer direct questions and refer to his current fitness instead, implying his previous fitness was poor
c.Release public statements hanging him even further out to dry (both the CEO and Moyes)

It’s just a shambles of PR in every way. Either we want to keep one of our only truly class players or we want to maximise his sale so we can attempt to replace his contribution. Under both of those scenarios, we want to maintain appearances that he is settled and a huge bid would be necessary. Instead it’s like the club are forcing him out, reducing his transfer fee and leaving us no time to replace him.

If we had the brains running our commercial department running the football side, maybe we’d do a bit f*cking better with this. Football today is about appearances, and we appear short-sighted, weak and poor at a time when the outside world are rubbing their hands are our impending collapse.


If you were a player thinking of joining us, that’s the impression you get too.
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Terrible post. You have forgotten that he didn't play not good enough to justify his contract and then cried like a baby and asked to leave when he was dropped. It's all his fault.
 
He's like the big fat 3 headed dog from harry potter. Maybe weasley can play him the fecking flute so he shuts up
 
wr8_utd said:
You lot need to calm down. One little report from the ever dependable "Sky sources" and 3 pages of hate about him being bigger than the club and needs to leave asap blah blah blah.
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:lol:

It's happening wr8 and you know it. Forget calm, you should be losing your shit completely.
 
shaggy said:
So why can't he submit a transfer request then?
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1. He'll lose money.
2. It would confirm him as the bad guy in this business.
3. He thinks he can fool supporters into blaming SAF, Moyes etc etc; basically, anyone who cares more about United than they do about Wayne Rooney.
 
wr8_utd said:
You lot need to calm down. One little report from the ever dependable "Sky sources" and 3 pages of hate about him being bigger than the club and needs to leave asap blah blah blah.
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Some of us don't want to roll over and let the prick take the piss out of the club and the supporters again. You may be happy to do so, but we have a bit of pride at least.
 
wr8_utd said:
You lot need to calm down. One little report from the ever dependable "Sky sources" and 3 pages of hate about him being bigger than the club and needs to leave asap blah blah blah.
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So you think he's staying?
 
Hectic said:
I reckon this is all some grand Moyes masterplan. He wanted to get rid of Rooney from the off, especially with Fergie's feelings known about it, but needed it to come from Wayne's side so he doesn't risk upsetting a lot of the fans by selling him, as would have been the case. Wayne also hasn't said anything on it because he doesn't want to hand in the transfer request and lose out, despite wanting to leave. Moyes says outright Rooney will stay and doesn't entertain the idea United will sell him, we now know where he stands. Suddenly, for no real reason he starts talking about not letting the club be about Wayne and in the same speech talks about being absolutely willing to run down a players contract, and then adds in the bit about using Wayne as cover for RVP. Wayne has to come out and respond to that, and thus makes it known he is not happy with the club, and the job is sorted. Moyes gets to sell Wayne, it looks like it's all his fault basically (he is a feck head anyway), and no-one will blame Moyes over it as ideally he would have kept him as he said (not really).
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yeah...but add that by making those comments, Moyes not only makes Wayne really angry...but makes him request a transfer...meaning we don't have to pay him :) masterful plan. feck Moyes is good...
 
ArmchairCritic said:
Why doesn't all do us a favour and man up and hand in a transfer request instead of having his agent leak tenuous stories to the media?
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shaggy said:
So why can't he submit a transfer request then?
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He probably will now after what Moyes said, but maybe he wasn't completely sure if he wanted to leave, so he was just waiting to see how things panned out? As far as I can see, the only thing he's done this time around is Sir Alex said that he told him he wants to leave the club. Hardly acting like a dick, thinking he's bigger than the club or disrespecting the club or any other ridiculous excuses people are making to turn on him. The Rooney situation has always hit people harder then other players because everyone thought he was one of those players who would play at United for life, and he was a selfless person who sacrificed himself for the team and would play for minimal wages. Reality is, nobody is like that, whether you like it or not.
 
What I can't understand is how people continue to defend him when this is essentially all his own doing.

The fat prick questioned the clubs ambitions, we fell for it and rewarded him a nice new contract. We also, in an attempt to match his mighty ambition, signed van Persie. van Persie then became our best player, and left Rooney feeling glum that he was no longer the main man at Old Trafford. This has gone on far enough, you were a great player Rooney, but just feck off to Arsenal at this stage.
 
If he was displaying this sort of attitude whilst on the tour then Moyes will have jumped at the pretext afforded by the minor hamstring injury Rooney suffered.

Sir Alex and Moyes have both asked questions of Rooney's commitment and ability to bounce back at United, in each case "I'd rather not" sums up the response. Or if you are feeling more kindly disposed toward Wayne, "I cannot".

It confirms all that was suspected following Moyes' inaugural press conference.

Is he so confused that he has forgotten how to submit a written transfer request?
 
It's obvious that Paul stretford is trying to force a move for Rooney so that he can get another 10 million. Every night there is a new article in some rag and it's so obvious that it's word for word written by stretford. Rooney also knows that this is his last time to sign a major contract and Chelsea have made him a 5 year contract offer that is obviously a ridiculous amount of cash. So the two of them - two gangsters are trying to force through this move by constantly bending Fergies and Moyes words to look for an excuse to get out of Man Utd. The latest hilarious one is that Moyes has said Rooney will be needed as back up if RVP is injured when obviously what Moyes said was that we can't afford to sell Rooney as we need him and we would be light up front if he left. I'd be happy to see the back of Rooney as his level has dropped slightly and he doesn't seem to have the loyalty you'd expect from a Man Utd player. But he's going to have to stop throwing his toys out of the pram as we are not going to let him sign a Mega contract with Mourinho as that would be not wise.....Flog him to PSG instead and use the cash towards getting Bale in 1 year from now
 
togg said:
yeah...but add that by making those comments, Moyes not only makes Wayne really angry...but makes him request a transfer...meaning we don't have to pay him :) masterful plan. feck Moyes is good...
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That's what I mean, it's the moyes masterplan.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
He did, yet didn't last year. It all depends on wether you believe Fergie or Rooney.
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That's the flipping thing, I wish Rooney would just say 'Yeah I'd like to leave.' Then we can flog him to one of the sugar daddies abroad and avoid the circumstance of him ending up at Chelsea.
 
The club has not handled the situation well. They want him gone they are basically saying, no need to pretend otherwise. He will be gone by the end of the window imo.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Yeah well I'm angry and confused too. All we had to do was sign Mourinho and Thiago and assure Rooney he will be a key player for us next season, how fecking difficult was that.
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Brilliant - let's sign anyone who doesn't give a feck about the club.
 
Kid Cunto said:
What I can't understand is how people continue to defend him when this is essentially all his own doing.

The fat prick questioned the clubs ambitions, we fell for it and rewarded him a nice new contract. We also, in an attempt to match his mighty ambition, signed van Persie. van Persie then became our best player, and left Rooney feeling glum that he was no longer the main man at Old Trafford. This has gone on far enough, you were a great player Rooney, but just feck off to Arsenal at this stage.
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He's a total dick and the silence he has shown since this has started is pretty damn telling. I can't see how he is still defended or why people want him at the club when he shows next to no commitment.
 
Rooney's departure will be a blessing in disguise for us. Kagawa is better in the no. 10 role and Rooney's attitude and unprofessionalism will be detrimental to the squad as a whole anyway. He basically hasn't fancied the challenge laid down to him by Fergie and van Persie, and going on his most recent form, he won't be the monumental loss he would have been in 2010.

Time to get rid.
 
LOL.

"Manchester United isn't about Wayne Rooney. Manchester United is about the team - the club. I won't allow Wayne Rooney to become more important than the football club and the football team, because that's the heart of it."

And now Rooney has chucked his toys AGAIN? Hatetosayitoldyouso
 
He can go feck himself basically. I stopped caring a long time ago and am glad in a way that this is coming to an end. I'd like to think we'll flog him abroad. Madrid want a big name signing so he can go there maybe, PSG just for the sake of it might do it or straight swap with Barca but he'd be 5th fiddle there. Chelsea and Arsenal fine but they can pay through the nose.
 
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