Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Revan said:
Doesn't matter. He's the manager, so by default he's the most important person at the club.

If he is weak and let players dictate their terms, then he'll be destined to fail. But it seems that he is continuing the Sir Alex way, which is a great thing to hear.
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This is probably for another thread, but this isn't always true. In fact, there are plenty of cases where it isn't true. Sir Alex was easily the most important person at United, but you have other clubs where it isn't the case. Messi is easily more important than anyone else at Barca, and both Iniesta and Xavi are more important to them then Tito is as well. Same case with Ronaldo and a few others at Madrid. It depends entirely on the players and who the manager is IMO, doesn't make him by default the most important person at the club.
 
bosnian_red said:
This is probably for another thread, but this isn't always true. In fact, there are plenty of cases where it isn't true. Sir Alex was easily the most important person at United, but you have other clubs where it isn't the case. Messi is easily more important than anyone else at Barca, and both Iniesta and Xavi are more important to them then Tito is as well. Same case with Ronaldo and a few others at Madrid. It depends entirely on the players and who the manager is IMO, doesn't make him by default the most important person at the club.
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Yeah, I know that. I think that from the context wasn't hard to understand that I was talking bout United (sorry for not being more clear :angel:).

We gave Moyes a contract for 6 years, and a club that had Sir Matt and Sir Alex and is wanting to continue their tradition and their philosophy, then it's fair to say that the manager is/should be the most important person at the club. So, I think that when the manager says something with that attitude about the player, it is the most important person who is saying that and regardless how good the players are, Moyes is now the boss and should be respected for that. Not saying he's not SAF, so he shouldn't be that harsh and let players dictate the terms.
 
bosnian_red said:
This is probably for another thread, but this isn't always true. In fact, there are plenty of cases where it isn't true. Sir Alex was easily the most important person at United, but you have other clubs where it isn't the case. Messi is easily more important than anyone else at Barca, and both Iniesta and Xavi are more important to them then Tito is as well. Same case with Ronaldo and a few others at Madrid. It depends entirely on the players and who the manager is IMO, doesn't make him by default the most important person at the club.
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The manager is pretty much the most important, how can you say otherwise?

Any manager that kowtows to the whims and influences of his players shouldn't be manager. And if he doesn't like it or isn't getting support from the club, then he should go.

Anyway. Moyes emphasised that the club is bigger than any individual, but nevertheless for me the manager is more important than any player.
 
manusteve said:
The manager is pretty much the most important, how can you say otherwise?

Any manager that kowtows to the whims and influences of his players shouldn't be manager. And if he doesn't like it or isn't getting support from the club, then he should go.

Anyway. Moyes emphasised that the club is bigger than any individual, but nevertheless for me the manager is more important than any player.
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At United it has been the case for the last quarter of a century so we as United fans will view this very differently than lets say Chelsea fans (before Mourinho), or Barca fans. Do you think Chelsea fans viewed Benitez as the most important person at Chelsea? Does anyone see Tito as a more important person for Barca than either one of Messi, Iniesta or Xavi?
 
The only way I can see his price getting anywhere near £45-50m is if Chelsea still haven't signed a striker by mid-late August and panic (especially if we beat them on 26th Aug).

If he stays then I think we can read into the quotes that he'll be available in January (again hopefully a team who is a bit short will feel he will be the difference and pay big). There is no way we'll let him run his contract down when we'd be lucky to get £25m with only a year left.

Likewise it sounds like either the club aren't entertaining the idea of giving him an extension unless he proves he can get back into form (possibly because he wouldn't be worth c.£12m a year into his 30's), or Rooney himself wants to leave and so wouldn't sign a new contract (as would be suggested by Moyes avoiding questions about how Rooney feels).

I personally would prefer we didn't let it drag - flog him asap for around £30m to a foreign club (or £10m more if English) and move on.
 
bosnian_red said:
This is probably for another thread, but this isn't always true. In fact, there are plenty of cases where it isn't true. Sir Alex was easily the most important person at United, but you have other clubs where it isn't the case. Messi is easily more important than anyone else at Barca, and both Iniesta and Xavi are more important to them then Tito is as well. Same case with Ronaldo and a few others at Madrid. It depends entirely on the players and who the manager is IMO, doesn't make him by default the most important person at the club.
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At united it definitely does make him the most important person.
 
finneh said:
The only way I can see his price getting anywhere near £45-50m is if Chelsea still haven't signed a striker by mid-late August and panic (especially if we beat them on 26th Aug).

If he stays then I think we can read into the quotes that he'll be available in January (again hopefully a team who is a bit short will feel he will be the difference and pay big). There is no way we'll let him run his contract down when we'd be lucky to get £25m with only a year left.

Likewise it sounds like either the club aren't entertaining the idea of giving him an extension unless he proves he can get back into form (possibly because he wouldn't be worth c.£12m a year into his 30's), or Rooney himself wants to leave and so wouldn't sign a new contract (as would be suggested by Moyes avoiding questions about how Rooney feels).

I personally would prefer we didn't let it drag - flog him asap for around £30m to a foreign club (or £10m more if English) and move on.
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I agree with most of what you say.

But on the bolded - part of me think we might do that because the current offers/interest isn't much more than £25million. If the maximum we are getting offered now is £30million then it probably would make sense to keep him for one more year and continue to develop and settle in Welbeck, Chich, Kagawa. Then sell him next year for a similar fee.

If we were getting bids of £40million then I agree with you the club shouldn't run his contract down, but nothing indicates that we have had that level of offer. So if it's a choice between selling now at £30million or keeping him a year and either,

1 - sell him at £25million if he doesn't improve his attitude/performaces/fitness etc
2 - watch him tear the league apart and get back to his best, so offer him the new contract.

Indeed, if number 2 were to happen we would also be able to sell him for even more than £25million. So I think the better idea is to keep him for now and see what happens, unless a £40million bid comes in
 
manusteve said:
I suspect SAF thinks he's finished. And SAF's pretty good at timing when it comes to selling high profile players, albeit he though himself he sold Stam too early.

However, SAF's gone. It's gonna be fascinating because Moyes won't have Rooney in pre-season and that "first" fixture against Wigan may be quite informative, because I'd have thought that from that match to the Swansea game, there wouldn't be many changes?
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Well I don't really see Fergies comments being that Rooney should be sold, more like he needs to have a think about what he's doing and the actions of the club seem to support that.

As for how Moyes will use him I guess it depends on his injury, if he can be back in say two weeks than we might see him in the Wigan game. Personally still think that if he does get back on track, he RVP, kagawa and Nani can be a great front 4.
 
According to SSN, he's angry and confused as to how the club has treated him.
 
Yeah just watched that, and he is open to moving to London

The Cavani transfer makes Chelsea much more likely IMO. With Falcao and Cavani out of the picture, and seemingly Lewandowski as well Rooney could well be their number one target - we know they need a striker and all the other best ones are getting snapped up
 
He really does need to go. There is no way back from this. The writing was on the wall when Moyes dodged the question, and now Rooney comes out with this crap.
 
Theon said:
Yeah just watched that, and he is open to moving to London

The Cavani transfer makes Chelsea much more likely IMO. With Falcao and Cavani out of the picture, and seemingly Lewandowski as well Rooney could well be their number one target - we know they need a striker and all the other best ones are getting snapped up
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what did he say?
 
pocco said:
Why is he confused? Doesn't he realise he's being given the boot?
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Yep, moye's comments recently pointed in that direction. saying openly that he's seen as backup to rvp. i just hope we dont sell him to city or chelsea.

where the feck are madrid when you need them.
 
Does he expect everyone to love and adore him when he's stated he wants to leave? He says he doesn't want to be a squad rotation player in his prime, but the fact is that you have to fight for a place here and if that was his "prime" last season, then I wouldn't be holding my breath for much next season if he does stay.
 
Varun_Utd said:
what did he say?
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It wasn't quotes from Rooney, just a Sky journalist who has been speaking to people close to Rooney.

But on Chelsea, he just said that we know Chelsea and Arsenal are interested and when he spoke to Rooney's representatives/agent/whoever they said that Rooney is open to moving down to London from the North West.
 
Said at the start of this second saga that we should just cash in on him now, imo his best years are behind him and this is our best chance of getting a decent fee for him. I had started to warm to him sticking around and seeing if he could have got back to his best under Moyes... Obviously that was too much to ask of him. Let him leave, he's trying to become bigger than the club - which he really isn't!!
 
We absolutely cannot sell him without a replacement lined up. City got lambasted for not adding enough quality to their team to defend their title. If we sell Rooney we'd be hard pressed to even put out as good a team as we had last year, much less as good or better.
 
Almost for sure going to Chelsea I think. They need and are looking for a striker, and he's looking to leave, and nobody else is really going after him. Question is who we'll bring in to replace him.
 
He'll stay until we sign a replacement.
 
forevrared said:
We absolutely cannot sell him without a replacement lined up. City got lambasted for not adding enough quality to their team to defend their title. If we sell Rooney we'd be hard pressed to even put out as good a team as we had last year, much less as good or better.
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Oh we absolutely have no chance of the title if we don't strengthen significantly if Rooney leaves. If he does leave, I don't think there's any chance that we won't strengthen our team though.
 
Last season shows that he has plenty to prove, considering he is no longer the number 1 striker at the club. He complains that the club don't match his ambitions, or don't bring in enough top players, then we sign the best striker in the league and now he's unhappy again.
 
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