I don't think it's anything to do with trying to get Rooney in line. I think the club know he's as good as gone and are just putting on a show of "We're not going to take any of his nonsense."
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Are those quotes are real? I love Moyes already... fantastic
Well said Moyes.
I like these comments, there is more to United than just Wayne sodding Rooney.
I cant see Rooney liking these comment very much.
Great quotes by Moyes.
He seems to be a tough cookie. Could not have said anmore than that...
Its like a test of fire...if he gets out of this on top he will have won the respect of a lot of players.
"Nobody is bigger than the club" should be more than just a phrase.
He seems to be a tough cookie. Could not have said anmore than that...
Its like a test of fire...if he gets out of this on top he will have won the respect of a lot of players.
"Nobody is bigger than the club" should be more than just a phrase.
The first quote is a bit risky, but goes to show that Moyes can be ruthless when he wants to be. That's what I want to see.
It's the way you interpret it.
I don't think he is saying that Rooney is Robin's back-up. Rooney can play in multiple positions and be world class. He merely means in case Robin gets injured we have/will need another world class player, i.e. Rooney, to play as the main striker.
Stop throwing the "world class" description around so liberally, will you?
Moyes' Sunday Times interview was very reassuring. Now he just needs to bring in a central midfielder (AND HE ACKNOWLEDGES DEFICIENCY THERE) and we let him get on with it.
Moyes/Chief Exec/United's stance seems to be "you wanna go, you can go, as long as it's on our terms", i.e. price, destination, timing.
Awaiting keenly on the Japan matches, as then we can see Moyes being able to play RVP and Kagawa.
It's a point that often gets missed as well. How many other clubs can say they have a number 10 who can easily be moved forward and be a 30 goal a season striker? Probably not many and so you have to factor that in to Rooney's worth to us. We're not blessed with a lot of midfielders who will get a good amount of goals for us and so I don't really think we can dispense of Rooney without getting in a replacement and in all honesty I really don't see how you're gonna get a player who can play deeper and as a main striker, as well as Rooney for 25m, not to mention all his off the field marketability.
1) If Rooney departed, I'd be relaxed that we would continue to score consistently
2) Marketability: do you really think that Rooney has mass appeal any longer? In this country I'd say no. In Asia, perhaps? I honestly do not think The Chief Exec would retain Rooney for his "off the field marketability".
Really? I think considering we largely view last season with him being below par that his return is something you won't make up easily and as I said his ability as a lead striker and as a number 10 is a big asset. Neither Kagawa, Hernandes or Welbeck can do that, they can be one or the other, with the latter two forcing RVP back which isn't something we really want to do. As for his marketability, it shouldn't be disgarded he's still Englands current star player, it shouldn't be a major factor especially if he's being a dick, but it should be factored in when you think off his selling price.
I really do think we are ready to let him go this time.
He's 28 soon (of course I realise that means probably 2 or 3 good years), not going to play on like Giggs, unmotivated and has asked to leave. We are making it clear he's not for sale which will keep the price up but what a thing for Moyes to come out and say... Hardly looking to appease him and give him assurances is he? He's basically said everything Rooney didn't want to hear which looks like he's trying to push his buttons in my opinion.
"He's not th star man, RVP is and Wayne is his back up"
"He's a great player to have because I can play him where I like. Literally anywhere and he can play up top where he wants to star occasionally aswell. Maybe, anyway, we have Welbeck and Hernandez to keep happy too."
I don't think it would be bad business to get £50m+ for him and reinvest it in a younger talent that is hungry for it and us.
He's 28 soon (of course I realise that means probably 2 or 3 good years), not going to play on like Giggs, unmotivated and has asked to leave. We are making it clear he's not for sale which will keep the price up but what a thing for Moyes to come out and say... Hardly looking to appease him and give him assurances is he? He's basically said everything Rooney didn't want to hear which looks like he's trying to push his buttons in my opinion.
"He's not th star man, RVP is and Wayne is his back up"
"He's a great player to have because I can play him where I like. Literally anywhere and he can play up top where he wants to star occasionally aswell. Maybe, anyway, we have Welbeck and Hernandez to keep happy too."
I don't think it would be bad business to get £50m+ for him and reinvest it in a younger talent that is hungry for it and us.
He was poor last season, let alone below par. Whether it was a DIRECT consequence of RVP's arrival, well we can all surmise. Thing is, RVP's not gone away, so what's going to change?
SAF moved Rooney around and was clearly not satisfied with his output, so the only one that can resurrect his form is Rooney himself.
Do you think he can do it, because I think his time is done...
£50m. Are you bonkers?
50m? We'll do well to get 35 I'd say.
I'm still torn on whether to keep or not. On one hand, he offers goals from a deeper position which is great, and hard to find in a number 10, but on the other, we have Kagawa, who I'd love to see played at number 10, who also has a great eye for goal. The way our summer has gone so far, I think it'd be best to keep him. Although if we could get 30m+ and get a younger number 10 to backup Kagawa, that'd be good business too.
I think we could get £50 if it was to City or Chelsea, but I would rather take £30 from RM...
Well he couldn't have been that poor as he managed to get a pretty good return in comparison to other players who played similar roles to him, seems to be a bit of re-visioning, his form was poor towards the end of the season but before that you can at least say he was decent. Anyway this has been done to death, my point is that he is still a player capable of being effective in a number 10 and number 9 role which I personally think is an asset.
As for him being done, I think if that was the case the club would just sell him, but it seems they think he can get his game right again and really at 27 going on 28 it seems a bit ott to think he is finished as a player.
£50 , I know you £50m but there is no chance of getting that for him, £30m is more that mark.I missed this quote earlier. The firm line isn't going to sound good to a Rooney who wants to feel more important.
30 million? Are we in the mid nineties? If we sold, we should look for more. His age don't matter. People are being silly to write him off. Whatever way you spun it, if we sold him - it would appear negative unless we actually worked a miracle in the transfer market.
However interesting how Moyes mentioned William Keane after the game on saturday. Welbecks lack of form in front of goal, is also a factor in why he won't be sold. Even though we have Hernandez - you can't back him in front of goal so it would make no sense to sell Rooney.
However interesting how Moyes mentioned William Keane after the game on saturday. Welbecks lack of form in front of goal, is also a factor in why he won't be sold. Even though we have Hernandez - you can't back him in front of goal so it would make no sense to sell Rooney.
I suspect SAF thinks he's finished. And SAF's pretty good at timing when it comes to selling high profile players, albeit he though himself he sold Stam too early.
However, SAF's gone. It's gonna be fascinating because Moyes won't have Rooney in pre-season and that "first" fixture against Wigan may be quite informative, because I'd have thought that from that match to the Swansea game, there wouldn't be many changes?
Didn't understand your first remark, but understood the jist, why is it crazy? Say if Chelsea bid £35 million (reasonable) and we stall, hold out for the last few days, they wouldn't want to let their fans down and I think would pay the extra money, even if it was a payment for an unknown player as part of the deal for £15, there are always ways.... I just think we could make them stump up that much, but either way it's pointless discussions as I don't want to do this, nor do I think it will materialise.
Just read the full quote. Moyes doesn't mess about does he? Good to hear those kind of comments.
If this comment was made around two or three seasons ago, I'd agree. However taking his age and contract lenght into consideration, I'd say he's worth no more than 30-35 million now.
Erm, can you explain the Hernandez bit? "can't back him in front of goal" Do you mean Welbeck???
Appalling syntax...
Hernandez didn't do too badly last season.
So in front of goal, (to use your words) you would back Rooney over Hernandez? Are you a Manchester United fan?
That comment was a knife in Rooney's heart. No messing. I'm assuming that's a take it, or leave comment from the management after talks behind the scenes have not gone well. It's also telling Rooney has not said he wants to stay since all this kicked off end of last season.
Hes our most natural finisher!!
Doesn't matter. He's the manager, so by default he's the most important person at the club.
If he is weak and let players dictate their terms, then he'll be destined to fail. But it seems that he is continuing the Sir Alex way, which is a great thing to hear.
Must admit when I heard Moyes say that I thought 'ouch, probably you didn't mean it quite like that...' but who knows...
50 million for Rooney? unless it is an English club I doubt it. Hernandez et al. may get his goals but they will struggle to replace his quality and creativity. I'm ready to see more from Kagawa this season if he can get to his best then he will be key player, getting Nani back also we will be fine.
Those quotes suggest to me he is as good as gone. Their is no way the money men will accept our best paid player on the bench. No reserve is worth the kind of money Rooney is on.
Moyes is just trying to force Rooney into handing in a transfer request.
Moyes is just trying to force Rooney into handing in a transfer request.
Perhaps Moyes has now realised that Rooney isn't likely to change his mind about wanting to leave, hence the blunt remarks.
Why on the bench? Moyes didn't said that Rooney will only play where RVP will get injured. He said that we need him if RVP get injured. Pretty much I understand it that he'll play as a No. 9 if RVP get injured, otherwise he will play in other positions.
That's how I interpreted it. Majority seems to differ and think he meant to demean Rooney.
Good chance those quotes have been misinterpreted/taken out of context. He was probably trying to say if Van Persie gets injured, then we'll be depending on Rooney for goals.
The last line of the full-interview quotes might be the most telling one: Moyes accepts that Wayne won't be happy with the role DM has ear-marked for him, as Wayne 'wants to be a goalscorer'.
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