Pleased with David Moyes' comments today. Assertive about the club's position without being bland or making too many promises.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Do you think he intends to continue with him on the left or in a more conventional CM role perhaps?
It would be a pity if his signing to us ended up like Veron's.
If the comments about a contract extension and this trial period are true it is its way a sign of confidence in Wayne, for there is an obvious risk for the club as a result.
True, and if Rooney stood on the pitch with his collar flicked up all statuesque like some demigod, he would not look cool.
I didn't notice Eric taking 50+ efforts to score a chipped goal.
True, and if Rooney stood on the pitch with his collar flicked up all statuesque like some demigod, he would not look cool.
I agree, one of the things I see when I watch Rooney is that he tendency to try things which he is not consistently capable of, his ability struggles to match his brain at times. He wants to do certain things on the pitch but is not capable. I think Cantona was able to pull of his moves more smoothly (maybe due to a better understanding what he was capable of) than Wayne who has improved as a player but changed in his playing style as he has gotten older (at times to his detriment).
I didn't notice Eric taking 50+ efforts to score a chipped goal.
Rooney had more flair when he was younger he has lost that now largely.
I meant this:
Nothing specific about Kagawa, but from the whole interview it doesn't necessarily sound like he's definitely playing Rooney in any one position just yet. So there's nothing in there to suggest that he won't play Kagawa as the #10.
Chelsea can feck off. They gave Liverpool 50m for Torres. 50 freaking million and they're offering 25m for Rooney? 
Definitely on the left I think, Kagawa as a CM wouldn't get the best out of him at all IMO. The only game I remember him starting as a CM was in the diamond against Newcastle away but he played it pretty much as a right winger, so it didn't end up a central midfield performance at all.
I think that's unlikely. Position is important but a player's inherent style is what really matters. Veron's didn't quite suit us. Kagawa's very clearly does, and if I had to make an educated guess I'd say it will suit Moyes too. Yes, ideally Kagawa would be given the #10 job for good. But his form doesn't actually rely on that. At Dortmund he played from the wing quite a bit, and was as excellent as ever. Japan have always played him there, and he's great for them.
I'm not worried. Injury aside, I'm struggling to envisage a future in which he doesn't become a very important player for us.
I do hope that he trains on as they say, there were promising enough signs last season.
And if we can get this Baines transfer out of the way his arrival should afford Kagawa flexibility even if he is nominally on the left wing.
As for Rooney - Moyes has gone so far beyond what is necessary were the club just going through the motions, the manager is seemingly willing to give him a relatively clean slate. Like Steve said he'll have to force the issue out into the open if he wants to leave, well unless PSG or Madrid make a bid of 40m and upwards say.
And if we can get this Baines transfer out of the way his arrival should afford Kagawa flexibility even if he is nominally on the left wing.
As for Rooney - Moyes has gone so far beyond what is necessary were the club just going through the motions, the manager is seemingly willing to give him a relatively clean slate. Like Steve said he'll have to force the issue out into the open if he wants to leave, well unless PSG or Madrid make a bid of 40m and upwards say.
I've a horrible feeling this is going to run all season with Rooney.
Seems very much like the club are prepared to play hardball with him.
The longer it goes on the more I think it's a contract negotiation.
Seems very much like the club are prepared to play hardball with him.
The longer it goes on the more I think it's a contract negotiation.
If he's looking for a new contract he will have wait until next season. I don't agree with that but it's what Woodward said.
Wayne will push for a transfer next summer if we don't agree a new contract with him this season, it's so obvious. But I don't really care anymore
I don't know why the club would want to put themselves in that situation, not sure Gill would have done the same thing.
We don't know what is happening behind the scenes, so we'll just have to wait and see.
Right but to get that, he'll have to play well to show himself off to other teams.
Fine by me.
Not agreeing a contract with him makes sense. This season the see how it goes with him and Moyes, if he does well we are happy to renew and he should be too( though we are running a risk he leaves for free) and if it doesn't work we get rid of him, but if it is off the back of a poor season we will be lucky to get 25 million for him.
It'd be strange if we dont get him to sign a new contract if he's staying. Too big an asset to risk losing out on free specially when its almost certain that he'l end up at City or Chelsea if he leaves with us having no hand in deciding his destination.
In case you haven't realised that you've interpreted my point in completely the wrong way, here's some previous posts to highlight my views:I'm not taking Rooney's side. I think it's hilarious that people are even taking sides, truth be told. I have no love for Rooney. I simply think he's obviously a much better player than many here are letting on and we'd be fools to get rid of him unless he forces himself out. I feel absolutely no inclination to defend Rooney the person principally because I don't think judging these people based on these little snippets you get from the media is wise. Look how easy it was for people to say Giggs is a man of real class and an international role model until they got another little snippet of information and now he's a sleazy, dishonest little man. Scholesy's now seemingly the only squeaky clean player people can think of but then he's only seen that way because he keeps his personal life so private. It doesn't mean he's this honest, decent, honourable man, it just means he keeps to himself. Deciding which of these players are likeable based on so little information is a bit silly, really. As is judging them by how they treat the club for the most part. The majority of our big-name players have disrespected the club in various ways for their own personal gains. That's how football is. For some reason people feel the need to vilify certain players for widespread issues. For example it seems to me that Steve basically hates Rooney, and that's primarily because he particularly hates agents (and their influence in the background in the media). It's not something that's limited to Rooney but he's an easy figure to direct that hate at. I find that quite strange. People hate various things about this game that they love and because they can't actually do anything to combat these issues they decide to direct that hate at some person they don't know. Weird.
I haven't defended Rooney in any way. At the very least he acted like a bit of a prima donna when he finally got dropped on a couple of occasions (for his own "inconsistent" form). I think there's a fair chance he/Stretford also wanted to try and push the boat out for one last bumper contract too. Knowing how the biggest earners at our clubs are usually those who have been here for 7+ years and are in their late 20s I don't think it's that big a stretch to believe he decided to make another play to get some more cash. Maybe he found out van Persie got a wage that came close to his despite not having earned that through loyalty and it made him get even more greedy. Who knows. Me thinking that doesn't make him a despicable cnut is not the same as defending him. It's just accepting that the bizarre football/"celebrity" world he's a part of tends to do that to so many people. It doesn't mean he's blameless, it's just not something I feel is worth getting upset about. It is what it is. If I genuinely found myself getting angry about some footballer wanting to add a few more million to his bank account then I'd simply stop watching the game. Greed and lack of respect for your employers are hardly the biggest sins that exist throughout the game. Likewise when I say I think Sir Alex stretched the truth it's not me taking Rooney's (or RvN's or Keane's or Beckham's) side or disrespecting him in any way, it's not possible to be so successful in a world that's under so much scrutiny and a drama-thirsty media (and audience) without doing so consistently. It's not something specific to this "battle" with Rooney, it's just how I think he manages difficult situations with star players in general. It's not an attempt to excuse Rooney.
That's why this thread is so terrible. There's so many agendas going on and every single person is reading things how they want to read them rather than trying to understand what the other person is saying. And then any piece of non-information is dissected by the anti-Rooney fans as being yet another attempt by the Rooney camp to cover his arse and drag the club through the mud and then everyone on the opposite side jump to his defence and actually try to defend Rooney's actions which quite likely only existed in the writer's imagination for all of five minutes. It's basically a bunch of people taking different sides based on no information at all, and then repeating the same points over and over andn over again to remind people of their views on Rooney. It makes for awful "discussion".
Fair enough - I may have misinterpreted your posts, although I do feel they were eligible for misinterpretation also.
There are many agendas, and as you say, we don't really know the players and thus we judge them from what we see on screen and read in newspapers or listen to interviews. I've neve been Rooney's biggest fan simply because he doesn't strike me as the most sympathetic character. Then again, I always loved Giggs because he, well, seemed just that - now I love him as a footballer and the rest is, meh.
The problem is that Rooney has shat on the club once and thus I will take Ferguson's word over Rooney every time. Also, when and if Ferguson ditches a player it would be for the greater benefit of the club, to that I think we can both agree!? I doubt he would get rid of players who contribute in all aspects to the club just because he doesn't like their personalities that much, nor would he keep players just because he thinks they are great people.
If players want to move abroad and/or change club, I don't have much problem with that, tbh. I think most people change or should change work from time to time. We all know teachers who stayed at the same scool for 40 years, right, so why shouldn't a footballer benefit from a change of scenery? That said, I think it all depends on how you go about your business. First you don't say that your job lacks ambition, subsequently hinting at your colleagues are not at your level. Then when you get proper competition you sulk at that too.
My thought is that I first and foremost support the club. At the moment, I don't think Rooney is doing the club many favours with, as you called it, his "prima donna" whims. If he plays at his best and regain his former fitness levels, then he is a great asset to the club. I don't think he is irreplacable though, and I wouldn't share any tears if he went abroad.
You are right that it does make an awful dicussion though, and I'm sorry I misinterpreted your post. Also, sorry for being so ridiculously slow to respond, but I'm on vacation
It would make absolutely no sense to not get his contract nailed down. It really gives him all the power, and will create speculation throughout next seasons which will be unsettling.
Woodward better know what he's doing.
Woodward better know what he's doing.
It would seem odd but I guess it depends on how highly the club value his worth. For example if say Chelsea are only willing to offer £25m for him, it could well be that we value his input over two seasons as more then that and so we'd rather at least keep him for another season and go from there, either take a reduced fee in a year or may be similar depending on how he's played. The situation may have changed by then as well with him maybe becoming settled again.
In terms of the threat of him sulking I don't really think he can afford that if he wants to go to a top team with big wages. We've all seen that he needs regular games, so him not turning up would be bad for him personally from an England view point and from potential clubs, in 2 years he'll be 29 going on 30 and if he's not been doing much it may make them hesitant to want to take a punt on him/have a big role for him.
Hopefully though its just the club making their stance clear, they're not gonna sell him and certainly not at a cut price.
Aye, you could see it that way - and I'm not saying it's wrong. But you may see it another way too: Moyes has declared in no uncertain terms that he won't turn us into the Rooney show. He will give Rooney a chance to prove himself, no more and no less - that's how I read his comments. Maybe, just maybe, this no-bollocks approach will make Rooney shut up, work hard and play well. And if not, Moyes has a year ahead of him to assess his other options: He might conclude after a brilliant season from Chicharito and Kagawa that Rooney isn't really vital to the team anymore. Well, sell him next summer, then. Maybe we'll lose a penny and a half from waiting a year, but it's no huge loss - and if Moyes' strategy actually works out, Rooney plays a blinder and gets his extension next summer.
Thing is, Moyes has already spoken to Rooney on several occasions: If the latter was already sulking, if the only thing on his mind was a move, Moyes would undoubtedly have gone for a different approach. He believes he can make Rooney sort himself out and start proving himself on the pitch. I'd say it's worth a try.
The shit storm seems to be over thank god.
Frankly I am really looking forward to the Rooney/RVP striking combo. They linked up incredibly well at times last season. Some of Rooney's balls to RVP were orgasmic and there were several of them.
RVP and Rooney is probably the best striker partnership in the world. feck playing with 5-6 midfielders. This is why we won the league.
Rooney also quickly turned into one of the best corner takers in the league. With RVP taking them from the other side we are devastating on set peices now. Like a throwback to the Beckham days. Can't believe this fact hardly gets mentioned on here.
I like to talk football. It's too bad most people on here are headlined reading, news speculating idiots.
Frankly I am really looking forward to the Rooney/RVP striking combo. They linked up incredibly well at times last season. Some of Rooney's balls to RVP were orgasmic and there were several of them.
RVP and Rooney is probably the best striker partnership in the world. feck playing with 5-6 midfielders. This is why we won the league.
Rooney also quickly turned into one of the best corner takers in the league. With RVP taking them from the other side we are devastating on set peices now. Like a throwback to the Beckham days. Can't believe this fact hardly gets mentioned on here.
I like to talk football. It's too bad most people on here are headlined reading, news speculating idiots.
Whatever we do/did, we are in lose-lose situation. I'm fairly happy with how things have gone. I think giving Rooney a new contract would be a mistake and basically send out a message to players that they can act like cnuts and still get nice shiny new contracts. If he wants a shiny contract he better perform a hell of a lot better than last year, and if he wants out this year, well then submit a transfer request and be on your way.
Seems the club are playing hardball with Rooney. That's him told.
“Overall my thought on Wayne is, if for any reason we had an injury to Robin van Persie, we’ll need him,” said Moyes.
“Wayne can play up on his own, he can play dropped in. It’s going to be a time to see how I work with Wayne.
“Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney. Manchester United is about the team – the club.
“I won’t allow Wayne Rooney to become more important than the football club and the football team, because that’s the heart of it.”
“Overall my thought on Wayne is, if for any reason we had an injury to Robin van Persie, we’ll need him,” said Moyes.
“Wayne can play up on his own, he can play dropped in. It’s going to be a time to see how I work with Wayne.
“Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney. Manchester United is about the team – the club.
“I won’t allow Wayne Rooney to become more important than the football club and the football team, because that’s the heart of it.”
That's how it should be he sends the right message, either Rooney gets his act together or he knows where the door is.
Well when the other options are to sell him and considerably weaken the team or give him a new contract when he's not earned the last one yet (and acted like a cnut along the way), the only alternative is to play hardball.
That first sentence won't sit well with Rooney.
I have to think its likely he's staying . Moyes comments on the matter are fairly strong and set him up for a bad early fall if he ends up leaving. I just hope Rooney gets his attitude right and starts playing as well as we know he can. It does seem now though, that a lot of fans, myself included, wouldn't be all that sorry to see him leave. That can all change again with some big performances though.
Rooney won't stay after reading that he's effectively RVPs back up.
Is it really his decision?
I think it's either rooney wants out or we're forcing him out, can't find any other explanation for those comments, i trust moyes either way.
Nice comments. Tell him who's the boss. Liking the SAF's attitude on Moyes.
Glad to hear Rooney getting put in his place. I'd go as far saying it's been his main problem thinking that he's bigger than the club. And it would be my main gripe with him. With Wayne it seems to be all about him. If he's not playing in his preferred position it's up to him to work hard and prove his worth. If things don't go exactly how he wants it he throws the toys out of the pram. Good to see Moyes taking a stance on Rooney and not letting Rooney dictate terms. Michael Owen was saying Rooney needs to feel the love again or something to that effect. Personally I think it's more the opposite, he's had plenty of love from the club. They rewarded him with a massive pay rise in 2010 after he last spat the dummy. The club really couldn't have done much more for him.
Unless PSG or some other oil-baron outfit come in with a crazy offer, Rooney aint goin' nowhere. And if Rooney dogs it this season, exactly who is going to come in for him next summer?
Someone will, look at players like Torres and Tevez, they both got big moves despite being under par and having poor attitudes, there will always be a manager or owner that is sure the change of scenery will get a player back on track.
Problem is, he's no SAF.
Announcing to the world that Rooney's now nothing more than a backup to RVP, I don't know if that's very smart.
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