That could well be the case, if it is do you think we will have the same thing next summer?
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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That could well be the case, if it is do you think we will have the same thing next summer?
Nice interview. really warming to Moyes. Well mannered, confident, relaxed, principled, thrilled to inherit SAF & Gill Club and to work with it.
I still would have preferred Mourinho, but I totally get why SAF chose Moyes and assuming if he can get our players playing for him (Thats the big IF though), can see him doing very well.
That's the impression I got too, the only thing that really spring to mind is the possibility he has been experiencing some kind of depression.....its a big leap to make I know, but when you look at the sluggish under performance, the desire to be somewhere else and the apparent change in him it could be true.............
If we dont get him to sign an extension, it'll be much worse as it wont be our decision anymore and with the fee out of the equation, it'll be inevitable that he'l end up at City or Chelsea. We need to get him to sign an extension or sell him abroad. Too much of this nonsense has happened really. Once was stupid, doing the same thing again is just plain insanity. I seriously want to know what he thought would happen. Because even him and his agent wouldnt be dumb enough to think he could force a move to a rival club. SAF wouldnt sell Heinze ffs.
I don't know......to be fair both Rooney and Stretford come across as quite arrogant to me, and the thought that they wont get what they want probably never even entered their minds.
Even if they get Cavani and keep Ibrahimovic, they may still go after Rooney. PSG are on a whole different level of spending to everybody else and they don't seem to give a feck about FFP.
Maybe. They'd be thick though if thats the case.
To be honest though, I wouldnt be surprised if Rooney never asked for a move directly but just wanted a clarification on his role and future at the club.
Wayne & Stretford surely must've considered that unless Chelsea came in with a massive bid then there'd be no transfer; and Chelsea aren't quite as reckless in their spending as they used to be; so what was the point of all this? An incredible long-shot in the vain hope that we'd sell to a direct rival? Nope - I think it was the old story: making United aware that Rooney has suitors, so that we will be wary of making the terms of an extension unattractive to him.
Its entirely possible
Yup, except that SAF outed them. Perhaps to stop them playing this silly game and let them know if the Rooney-camp fecks around anymore he'll be flogged off.
I think he'll stay (purely because we refuse to sell) get a shiny new contract and then ask to leave next summer or the one after
And for a lesson in misrepresent Moyes' live interview on Talksport yesterday, see the Mirror's headline :: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...chester-united-transfers-wayne-rooney-2042865
I suppose one theme to take from the two is Rooney's apparent unhappiness, how far will he go in pressing that point home and to what extent are Chelsea relying on Wayne pushing for his exit? If possible i think he'd like to repair the damage to his PR as a United player although that will be superseded by other concerns eventually.
I do myself wonder if Moyes is as they say doing it much too brown with his assertions that Rooney isn't for sale, it begins to carry the air of protesting too much and lacking in credibility after a while.
Selling Ba is hilarious in itself.
I know Rafa didn't exactly take to Ba with Torres as a pet project to boot, yet have they seen enough in six months to discard him just like that?
On the other hand, if Lukaku and another are to be ahead of him in the pecking order, he and Mourinho may feel that their respective ambitions simply do not coincide.
Ba must've had some idea of the circus Chelsea can be, he gambled and it may not pay off in footballing terms.
On the other hand, if Lukaku and another are to be ahead of him in the pecking order, he and Mourinho may feel that their respective ambitions simply do not coincide.
Ba must've had some idea of the circus Chelsea can be, he gambled and it may not pay off in footballing terms.
Oh i'm sure it will pay off in that area for both him and his agent. If he moves again that's another commission and signing on fee for the two of them as well.
Ba might not need to travel too far for a new club either, Spurs and Arsenal could do worse in bolstering their ranks [one of them has to miss out on Benteke after all].
Oh, I am certainly not having a go at Demba Ba in any case. fecking good on him for grabbing the cash. Just the whole disposable nature of the situation is hilarious. Footballing commodities.
Why would they sell Ba? He's a good option to have in a squad, big physical attacker who is also good at finishing/movement (basically Drogba but less talented).
So Moyes and Rooney have been popping over to each others houses for tea & biscuits and a spot of Playstation 3. I just wish someone would ask Moyes when the new contract will be signed if Rooney is staying. I mean surely if that's the case we wont want to let it run down to a year before we get him to wrap his chubby digits around a Bic and put an X on a piece of paper with an official Manchester United letterhead on it.
Not getting Rooney to sign a contract this summer would be a big mistake. Just strengthens his own position the following season if he wants to leave.
I'm surprised none of the hacks have mentioned the contract situation when questioning Moyes - it seemed an obvious angle to take in the press conference when he was refusing to answer the "does he want to stay?" questions and might've required a more precise answer than the comments on how well he's training.
I thought repeating the same question over and over showed lack of imagination. There were any number of side avenues they could have one down to get a different and perhaps more telling answer. I felt it was a little bit of them taking liberties because Fergie wasn't there. You could bet if he was there'd have been a maximum of one person asking the question and that person soon wouldn't be asking any others until Christmas.
It would be a massive mistake to give him a 200k+ a week contract, considering he may well be past his best. Part of me does wonder if this whole thing is yet another contract tactic, but that really would be disgraceful.
The club will have to extend his contract if he stays, he will be worth a lot more if he has 2+ years on the contract.
And what if Rooney's form doesn't improve next season? Nobody would buy him off us if he's taking home 200k+ a week with a new 4 year deal.
I've been convinced of both this and that and the other thing since this saga began - now I'm not sure of anything.
However, these points seem more or less clear to me:
If Rooney has been counting on a move to Chelsea as a real option, he's as thick as people claim he is. His agent is arguably even thicker, being an agent and all. I base this possibly erroneous (but it better feckin' well not be, Ed) claim on the belief that we simply won't sanction such a move.
If, on the other hand, Rooney is interested in a move elsewhere, e.g. to Paris, I see no reason why we would insist on him staying. If we get a decent offer we should sell him, for the simple reason that he wants away. As we've been over a million times, having a "want-away" Rooney around isn't ideal at all and should be - and can be - avoided.
Now, he's got two years left on his contract. That normally - for us - means renewal time. So, if Rooney stays on but does not renew - well, that might be seen as an indication that he does indeed favour a move to a club we simply will not do business with at this point. Might, I say. Because he might also be unhappy with the terms of the renewal. Though I see that as less likely, i.e. I believe the club will probably (to the horror and chagrin of much of the Caf) offer him a lucrative enough extension once it's clear we really want to retain his services.
However, these points seem more or less clear to me:
If Rooney has been counting on a move to Chelsea as a real option, he's as thick as people claim he is. His agent is arguably even thicker, being an agent and all. I base this possibly erroneous (but it better feckin' well not be, Ed) claim on the belief that we simply won't sanction such a move.
If, on the other hand, Rooney is interested in a move elsewhere, e.g. to Paris, I see no reason why we would insist on him staying. If we get a decent offer we should sell him, for the simple reason that he wants away. As we've been over a million times, having a "want-away" Rooney around isn't ideal at all and should be - and can be - avoided.
Now, he's got two years left on his contract. That normally - for us - means renewal time. So, if Rooney stays on but does not renew - well, that might be seen as an indication that he does indeed favour a move to a club we simply will not do business with at this point. Might, I say. Because he might also be unhappy with the terms of the renewal. Though I see that as less likely, i.e. I believe the club will probably (to the horror and chagrin of much of the Caf) offer him a lucrative enough extension once it's clear we really want to retain his services.
He needs to be on long term contract in order to preserve his transfer fee. He's worth somewhere between £30m to £40m right now, Imagine what he will worth next summer when he only has 12 months remaining on his contract, no one will pay £40m for a player when you can have him for free in 12 months time.
Hard to tell what anyone will do 12 months from now, but as others have said - if the point is keeping up his market value it would be smarter to give him an extension, rather than letting him run down his present contract for one more year.
I think the basic premise here is, however, that if he does sign a new contract we - as a club - assume this is where he wants to stay, which means that the sell-on value is less important. His form over the next four years (to use your example) is impossible to predict accurately, but that goes for any player. There are many on here who seem to think Rooney can only decline from here. I don't think the club necessarily agree with this view, though.
Rooney's form is worse because a lot of our fans view him now with an expectation and hope that he fails to deliver. It's been this way ever since the first hissy fit he threw. It's not entirely unjustified but I think people have gone overboard with how quite so bad Rooney has been this year. I think if he hadn't had his latest little spot of controversy how 'poor' he was last season wouldn't be at all a dominating narrative of the summer as it appears to be.
He seems to have a great season then a not as great season almost alternately, ever since he's joined the club. I know statistics can only ever tell part of the story but statistically last year wasn't even his worst season in the last three and in 2010-11 I cannot remeber this much writing off of his ability.
It's easy to forget how difficult it's been for him too. Over the last few years he's rarely had more than one season with the same strike partner. He's had to play with people for whom due to his relative versatility he's had to alter his game to suit their needs. Whether we're talking Tevez, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Welbeck, Hernandez or RVP. It's tough giving someone effectively six first choice partners in as many years and not expect there to be periods or seasons where some works better than others.
He seems to have a great season then a not as great season almost alternately, ever since he's joined the club. I know statistics can only ever tell part of the story but statistically last year wasn't even his worst season in the last three and in 2010-11 I cannot remeber this much writing off of his ability.
It's easy to forget how difficult it's been for him too. Over the last few years he's rarely had more than one season with the same strike partner. He's had to play with people for whom due to his relative versatility he's had to alter his game to suit their needs. Whether we're talking Tevez, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Welbeck, Hernandez or RVP. It's tough giving someone effectively six first choice partners in as many years and not expect there to be periods or seasons where some works better than others.
In my opinion these are fair points, though I'm sure many won't agree. Rooney's popularity has declined more than his actual ability: He is scrutinized more closely as a result, and people have zero patience with him.
I don't mean to imply he's not at fault at all for this himself, there are several reasons why his popularity has waned, some of them perfectly legitimate ones. But as you suggest his patchiness or inconsistency if you will is nothing new. He has been a bit hot and cold his whole career. These days, though, this trait is regarded as much more damning than it used to be.
We're honestly gonna have to play this fecker centre mid.
The trouble with Stickles' points, fair-minded as they are, is that they are debatable. I'll do this briefly, to save people a long read:
Paragraphs 1 & 2: I myself, and (I assume, other Rooney critics) are most concerned with what I/we view as his on-field disinterest & less importantly his avoidance of tackling wherever possible (as if he's terrified of being injured again). The problem with the theory that Rooney has highs and lows regarding his play is a useful one to those who would defend him; it might mask Wayne's lack of interest/enthusiasm. These criticisms have nothing to do with the 2010 dispute.
Paragraph 3: An alternate theory is that Wayne simply hasn't consistently gelled with any of our other attackers.
Paragraphs 1 & 2: I myself, and (I assume, other Rooney critics) are most concerned with what I/we view as his on-field disinterest & less importantly his avoidance of tackling wherever possible (as if he's terrified of being injured again). The problem with the theory that Rooney has highs and lows regarding his play is a useful one to those who would defend him; it might mask Wayne's lack of interest/enthusiasm. These criticisms have nothing to do with the 2010 dispute.
Paragraph 3: An alternate theory is that Wayne simply hasn't consistently gelled with any of our other attackers.
In regards to your second part, in 2010/2011 he was very poor in the first half of the season but from around February onwards he was absolutely crucial in our title win. That was probably his best spell for us in the second striker type role in behind the striker and he was fantastic; both scoring plenty of goals, creating for whoever was in front of him (often Hernandez then) and generally controlling, turning and winning games for us. He didn't have a half season barren spell where he was terrible like in 2010/2011 last year, but he also didn't really have too many standout spells where he was superb for us either which is why a lot more people are questioning him.
Didnt we extend his contract last time?
His form dipped last year post Christmas but I still think people have gone overboard a touch with it all. By and large though if you consider the amount of players he's had to play with up front, the different styles he's had to adapt to and the different roles he's had to perform to accommodate the changes, his record of about 1 in 2 for us is a great record. Last year wasn't his greatest season but his ratio wasn't too far off that still.
People have gone overboard but it's still fair to say that he was far from impressive last year. His goalscoring was fine, but as a player he should really be offering a lot more than simply a good goals ratio. The problem with Rooney has always been that unlike other players who look average when they're off form, Rooney often genuinely looks poor when he's off form and has a very poor low level. What seems to anger a lot of people is that Rooney is now complaining about game time and wanting to leave when he has no right to complain considering some of his performances at times. He wasn't awful, but when he's one of your highest paid players and supposedly a world class striker, you've got to constantly deliver.
The playing with different forwards doesn't really wash with me either. Van Persie had to come into a completely different side with a full team of no players but was able to adapt to it without any problems. Rooney's been in this team for years and while he's had different partners and styles, it's his job to adapt to them and keep on performing. Games where he's at his worst or is simply sloppy and doesn't play well has nothing to do with his partner beside him; it's to do with him. His goalscoring ratio has remained impressive enough, but he's got to offer more than that.
What happened to his hair ?
It's been temporarily removed while the contact is being re-negotiated, because United paid for the transplant procedure and own his head.
All that sitting on the bench has worn the hairs off his arse. He has to wait for them to grow back before they can get plucked and moved to his head!
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