Yup looks like the club really wants him to stay.
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Yup looks like the club really wants him to stay.
It sounds more to me like they've all been asked about him in various interviews and given their opinions.
The general consensus from all has been "I think he'd be daft to leave but he's big enough and ugly enough to make up his own mind". Hardly seems like a message the club would have asked them to put out there.
Its not granted that he won't be sold. But my view is based on the factor that with a situation such as Rooney we hold the chips and we would have made a definitive decision known to him before embarking on a tour. And the only route for Rooney is a transfer request. Its something the club itself would like to handle now than drag through the tour.
There may be precedence but its not the same situation.
There may be precedence but its not the same situation.
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all fairness if rooney wants to go there is pretty much nothing the club can do about it.
Well there is - as Dortmund have shown with Lewandowski - but it's not something I'd want to see them do. If Rooney wants out then feck him off.
...but isn't Lewandowski off to Bayern, in spite of Dortmund's various overtures?
At the end of his contract yes.
Is this £30m figures really so very far away from a bid that the club might have to consider as the summer draws on?
If it entered the 35-40m range any doubt about it should have vanished, domestic rival or no.
If it entered the 35-40m range any doubt about it should have vanished, domestic rival or no.
How much would you want us to pay if he played for someone else, considering the season he just had and rumours about his commitment?
No more than £30m for me.
Well we paid £17m for Ashley Young who was in his final year, a vastly inferior and inexperienced player with little marketing value other than looking like Marlo Stanfield
To be fair though no one apart from SAF himself understands that one...............
Yeah, I don't think anyone's hailed that as a good piece of business.
Ashley Young did.
English usually costs more...
Momma Young probably also and that bird he cam sexed with.
Does anyone remember when Chelsea signed Torres how much longer he had on his Liverpool deal at the time? That should set the benchmark in terms of what fee we ask for; it might not be realistic but as a bargaining position we can legitimately ask Chelsea why they'd value Torres at £50M and Rooney closer to £30M.
Rooney is English.
Agreed, out of form Torres £50M, not his best season but did alright really when you think about it Rooney £50+M
They'd probably say because Rooney apparently would command £3-4m more per season in wages - over 5 years that'll be nearly the £20m difference.
They'd also probably say Rooney is 1.5 years older at the time of purchase.
What do you think the other players make of Rooney's current situation?
Should he want to leave, are they likely to respect his stance as a "mate", or feel let down by a team mate?
They've seemed fine with him during the trophy parade and training, so is it just a case of being professional?
Should he want to leave, are they likely to respect his stance as a "mate", or feel let down by a team mate?
They've seemed fine with him during the trophy parade and training, so is it just a case of being professional?
At the end of 09/10 season he signed a contract extension that would expire in 2013. Torres also had a £50m release clause in his contract that entitled him to leave in the summer if Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League.
The Torres fee was stupid at the time and obviously looks even more stupid now. That transfer is more of a deterrent for a big fee than a benchmark/precedent.
His wages aren't our problem though, surely? It is for Chelsea to take into account when they make their bid, but they can't ask us to lower our valuation so they can afford his wages, I'd have thought. And we could counter the age factor by saying he's in the best shape of his life (Fergie said he's approaching his peak back in April) and has been contributing more than Torres was when he left Liverpool. To me, the precedent is there for Chelsea to have to make an incredible offer, especially when you consider we'd be selling to a direct title rival (which Liverpool weren't).
It is stupid but when it's the same club involved making the bid then it definitely matters.
If we were trying to buy a player from Arsenal say, and they said "Well Liverpool paid £35M for Carroll so we want the same for Gervinho" they'd be laughed at because Liverpool's valuation holds no relevance to us. If we Arsenal were selling the same player to Liverpool they'd be within their rights to say "Hold on, you spent all this on Carroll, you can't expect to get a similar quality player for cheaper" because Liverpool have set their own precedent there.
Bearing in mind his most recent form, question marks surrounding his attitude, the possibility of early burnout with the age he burst on to the scene, salary, his contract, the fact that it is publicly known his present loyalty is weak...30ish is yeah toward the upper limit.
However with Chelsea a wealthier club and Rooney carrying the appeal of being a proven Premiership forward, i think United would try for something nearer 40 if necessary.
It will be increasingly difficult for we the selling club to dictate term whilst the pool of suitors continues to stand at one mind you.
There's no 'burn out' issues with Rooney at all. He's 27 and his goal average last year was actually only slightly below his career average. Plus his international record is 8 in the last 10.
Plus we have never, ever sold a player of any worth to us to a direct title challenger. That means something. We have to be convinced (£) why we should break from that rule.
The fact that he hasn't released a statement confessing his loyalty (and future) to Manchester United is damning.
He quite obviously wants to leave.
He quite obviously wants to leave.
Not sure that's the correct conclusion. At the very least, it isnt obvious.
As I see it, he still hasnt made his mind up.
The fact he hasn't spoken says a lot for me too he surely knows the press are having a field day and he has chosen not to address it Moyes' answered the question like a lawyer would. In terms of the market I see him going for no more than 30 million just because most of the teams who could afford to pay more are well stocked in his position who are the candidates to sign him anyway???
That's one way of looking at it, but I can't see Chelsea being too keen to spend big money on another striker who's best days could well be behind him, again..
I can't imagine they'd be keen, but even if Rooney wants to play for Chelsea they'd have to make it worth our while for us to sell this summer. Obviously our bargaining position weakens the longer he runs down his contract, but Chelsea are in desperate need of a striker now and so the onus is on them to complete the deal now rather than in 12 months time.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/...am-mate-Wayne-Rooney-just-needs-to-feel-loved
Quote from Michael Owen regarding Rooney:
"I don't think it's a case that it's his last chance for a big move, you don't get anywhere bigger than Manchester United" Owen told talkSPORT.
You don't understand how happy this makes me feel considering who he played for
Michael Owen - United Legend, he'd Rather Walk Alone, thanks.
Quote from Michael Owen regarding Rooney:
"I don't think it's a case that it's his last chance for a big move, you don't get anywhere bigger than Manchester United" Owen told talkSPORT.
You don't understand how happy this makes me feel considering who he played for
Michael Owen - United Legend, he'd Rather Walk Alone, thanks.
True, but Rooney's a big risk as it stands from their point of view. That said he'll probably end up staying anyway.
See what you're saying but he's not as big a risk compared to Cavani or Falcao (new league), Suarez (temperament), Torres (miles better form+fitness at the time they signed him) or Benteke/Lukaku (big step up). In comparison, Rooney has almost 10 years of experience at the level Chelsea are looking and brings the least amount of unknowns with him. I just think that Chelsea's need for a striker is stronger than any pressure we might be under to sell.
Of course his wages are our problem... The fact we'll save around £12m a season by not having him means over 5 years at £30m transfer fee we'll save £90m.
If as is almost certainly the case Rooney wants to leave, we will be selling him at a fee that meets the demand for a player like Rooney. The fact is no-one is going to set aside £100+m to have an ageing Rooney for 5 years.
We can all say that Rooney should be worth £50m... But like a high mileage ageing Nissan GTR, he costs a shit ton to run and maintain, which means his cost price plummets in comparison to his performance.
My point was that Chelsea's signing of Torres should be the guide, the starting point for our negotiations, simply because the situations are quite similar. I'll stick to that opinion, because I never said we should hold out for £100m+. Chelsea can afford to pay Rooney £240k or whatever per week so it's not really something they can use against us.
As a general rule I dislike this new thing of adding up a persons wage and then somehow arguing that a transfer fee is costing/saving more or less as a result.
My point is that Chelsea set out a fee over 5 years that they were willing to pay for Torres. That total fee is/was reportedly between £90-95m. If they rate an older Rooney just as highly there will only be a £30m budget to set aside for his transfer fee. The same will be true of Cavani.
This is the reason that Benteke has been quoted at £25m and Rooney has been quoted at £30m. Not because Benteke is nearly as good, but because Benteke has far, far greater sell on value and earns more than £10m per year less than Rooney.
Transfer fee's nowadays are based on overall package, not merely "he's as good as Torres so is worth the same". It's the same reason David Villa left for a pittance and a host of (particularly Chelsea/City) decent players end up sitting in the reserves, despite being more than good enough to be playing regularly at a good level.
Also it's worth noting that United aren't in the strongest of positions if Rooney wants to leave. We wait until next year and his value will significantly drop. The furore on here if Rooney left for £15-20m next Summer would be insane. Say for instance we turn down a £30m offer from Chelsea, Rooney begrudgingly stays for a season and leaves next Summer for £20m. We have one mediocre season from Rooney at a cost of c.£20-25m. I can't see anyone seeing this as fiscally responsible.
It's why I've said before: he signs a 2-3 year extension or leaves this Summer (or January) for £25-35m.
When the cost of wages over the contract term are significantly greater than the transfer fee it's an obvious deduction.
finneh you've reduced my point to the extent that it's being misrepresented ("he's as good as Torres so he's worth the same", urgh). I see what you're saying but I don't agree with your reasoning.
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