Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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William Hill have this evening cut the odds of Wayne Rooney joining Chelsea from 7/2 to 5/4.

"We were seeing big bets at 7/2 so we cut the odds to 5/4 and the big boys were still getting involved," said William Hill spokesman Joe Crilly. "When you see a gamble like that, you have to think there is more than just hearsay involved."
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Gazza said:
My point was that Chelsea's signing of Torres should be the guide, the starting point for our negotiations, simply because the situations are quite similar. I'll stick to that opinion, because I never said we should hold out for £100m+. Chelsea can afford to pay Rooney £240k or whatever per week so it's not really something they can use against us.
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It all depends on how much the buying team wants the player that is what dictates the price. From what I read he was a favourite of Abramovich so he was ready to pay whatever was necessary unless a team wants Rooney that much then we won't get 50 million. Torres was arguably the best no.9 in the world when Chelsea signed him he was coming off a bad six months or so but Rooney has been up and down the last three seasons he was quality.

I just don't get when people co,pare how good players are etc. when valuing them how much each team wants to keep him is important I feel we would take 30 million. That would be selling low but how many real suitors are there out there?
 
SteveJ said:
It's the Mail's turn to do Wayne's PR work:

Rooney needs to make a move, just like RVP...and United need to do the right thing and let him go:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2358830/Ash-Wednesday-Manchester-United-let-Wayne-Rooney-leave.html#ixzz2YaracfVS
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Having heard one of the Mail's editors boasting of Ashton's contacts with Chelsea i suspect that it is him putting their case forward above all, a bit of mutual back scratching with future stories in mind [whether they be an exclusive for Ashton or briefing the papers the next time the club is up to its neck in...controversy ;)]. Stretford/Wayne won't be at all displeased as you say.


So Rooney was left out of that one match and replaced by Welbeck who along with De Gea was one or our MOTM candidates, and allegedly that was the final straw.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
Having heard one of the Mail's editors boasting of Ashton's contacts with Chelsea i suspect that it is him putting their case forward above all, a bit of mutual back scratching with future stories in mind [whether they be an exclusive for Ashton or briefing the papers the next time the club is up to its neck in...controversy ;)]. Stretford/Wayne won't be at all displeased as you say.
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That's what I thought too...

He wants a fresh start, a new challenge with another team competing with United for the biggest honours in the game.
That club is Chelsea, where the attraction of working with Ashley Cole – one of his best friends in the game – and the lure of Jose Mourinho is proving irresistible.
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Fairly blatant arse kissing of Chelsea.
 
Wayne Rooney was the first person that our new twitter account followed.

Conclusive evidence that he's staying.
 
KM said:
Wayne Rooney was the first person that our new twitter account followed.

Conclusive evidence that he's staying.
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:D Like United has the cojones to exclude Rooney. Bit like leaving him out of the tour.
 
Moyes just gave an interview about Rooney on talksport, but I caught the last few seconds only....did anyone hear it?
 
Hectic said:
Moyes just gave an interview about Rooney on talksport, but I caught the last few seconds only....did anyone hear it?
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He did it for the Alan Brazil show, should be online if you want to listen to it again.
 
manusteve said:
:D Like United has the cojones to exclude Rooney. Bit like leaving him out of the tour.
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Ive just had to re read that as first time around I could have sworn it said Execute rooney.........that's probably a bit much even for me! :)
 
I'm convinced he'll stay. Whether that's his wish or not is another matter, but a season of rediscovering his best form and working in tandem with RvP should rectify his head.
 
I doubt it. Wasn't the solution to his original head troubles buying in RVP?
 
marjen said:
He should just get rid of Stretford.
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Stretford is a twat but you can't put all the blame on the agent, they attend the meetings because the player wants them to be there. Take Valencia for example, happy at the club so he sacks his agent.
 
hp88 said:
Stretford is a twat but you can't put all the blame on the agent, they attend the meetings because the player wants them to be there. Take Valencia for example, happy at the club so he sacks his agent.
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Which is what Rooney should do if he's not entirely stupid.

Which sadly, he seem to be. So my point remains: He should get rid of Stretford, but he won't, because he doesn't realize he's at as good a place as he's ever going to be in his career. No one will treat him as he's been treated at United. If he leaves, his career will spiral downwards.
 
It's a bit of a sad commentary when people are surprised by the fact that Wayne Rooney hasn't turned up to pre-season training a fat bastard...

What can I say, I'm a glass half empty kind of guy.
 
I understand that Moyes can hardly come out and say "he won't be here next season" or that we could be willing to sell him, but he seems so adamant that Rooney is staying, I'm wondering if that's not a little odd for a new United manager to set himself so strongly on one thing happening, and then a little while later the opposite comes true. It would surely invite a reaction we really wouldn't want if Wayne was to leave, and I'm sure the press would make a meal about Moyes not being able to keep the player he said wasn't leaving. Maybe the reaction would be immaterial to Moyes or United and they couldn't care less, but my assumption was that he wouldn't commit himself to saying he is staying if he wasn't somewhat sure about it. There were a lot of alternative to "Wayne Rooney will be a United player next season" if he wanted to get the point across without saying those exact words.
 
Hectic said:
I understand that Moyes can hardly come out and say "he won't be here next season" or that we could be willing to sell him, but he seems so adamant that Rooney is staying, I'm wondering if that's not a little odd for a new United manager to set himself so strongly on one thing happening, and then a little while later the opposite comes true. It would surely invite a reaction we really wouldn't want if Wayne was to leave, and I'm sure the press would make a meal about Moyes not being able to keep the player he said wasn't leaving. Maybe the reaction would be immaterial to Moyes or United and they couldn't care less, but my assumption was that he wouldn't commit himself to saying he is staying if he wasn't somewhat sure about it. There were a lot of alternative to "Wayne Rooney will be a United player next season" if he wanted to get the point across without saying those exact words.
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Or maybe we are just over analysing the situation and he actually is staying?
 
Im starting to change my mind regarding this. First I was for a move and thought his time at the club was coming to an end. Two major bust ups with his manager isn't good and on top of that his public statement about the clubs ambition. The signs was on the wall that the club was fed up with his selfish actions.

But after two months the tone is different and the clubs key members are starting to talk more positive about a possible mutual future. There are a couple of things that have to be sorted out, his bad attitude is one thing, the other thing is his fitness roller coaster. In the end is all about commitment and attitude against his employer, so far he can do better.

The last thing who have to be solved is his contract extension. Rooney must accept that he can't expect to keep his current salary if he sign a new contract, it's obvious and i think the owner are quite clear about this. Either he sign a result based contract or he accept a pay cut. His latest season is the indicator for that he can't demand a pay rise or extended contract beyond his thirties with such a history. Asking for a transfer request, or asking to leave the company he works for to put into context two times cost, one way or another, I think this is basic for any executive who negotiate contracts.

I think he will stay and he will sign a new contract. But I also think he will have to accept changes in his salary.
 
I agree, my stance with Rooney is changing slightly. If he stays, a front 3 of RVP Rooney Kagawa has so much potential.

For what it's worth, Kags wants Rooney staying:

Kagawa said: “It is inspiring and exciting to play alongside such world class players.
“Wayne can do everything to the highest standard. He has everything a football player would need: team spirit, hard work, switching between attack and defence.
“You don’t see such players very often. He plays for the team, plus he can score and assist.
“There is so much I can learn from him and I enjoy playing with him.
“Robin, of course, made the difference with his goals. He’s wonderful.”
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5005087/Shinji-Kagawa-Ive-learnt-so-much-from-Wayne-Rooney.html#ixzz2YdhfKzSU
 
hp88 said:
Stretford is a twat but you can't put all the blame on the agent, they attend the meetings because the player wants them to be there. Take Valencia for example, happy at the club so he sacks his agent.
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I think you can put a lot of blame on his agent cause Rooney is genuinely stupid. Great intelligence on the pitch. But you get the feeling not all his dogs are barking. Some players would rely more heavily on their agents than others. I'm sure there are a number of players out there who make career decisions entirely on their own and use their agents merely as a proxy for them in negotiations etc. But I think in someone like Rooney's case, his agent would be heavily advising him on what to do. I can just picture Rooney deep in thought, furrowed brow, using a series of grunts in response to the various contract offers he gets. Hopefully that reptilian manager of ours has talked some sense into the incomprehensible abyss which is Rooney's mind.
 
A fully firing Wayne Rooney is an asset to ANY team. Hopefully it'll be ours.
Despite any misgivings about his future can anyone seriously see him moping around the pitch not giving 100% !
If its love he needs, let's give him as much as he can handle. I'll be singing my heart out for him (and all our boys) at Wembley in Aug
 
7even said:
Im starting to change my mind regarding this. First I was for a move and thought his time at the club was coming to an end. Two major bust ups with his manager isn't good and on top of that his public statement about the clubs ambition. The signs was on the wall that the club was fed up with his selfish actions.

But after two months the tone is different and the clubs key members are starting to talk more positive about a possible mutual future. There are a couple of things that have to be sorted out, his bad attitude is one thing, the other thing is his fitness roller coaster. In the end is all about commitment and attitude against his employer, so far he can do better.

The last thing who have to be solved is his contract extension. Rooney must accept that he can't expect to keep his current salary if he sign a new contract, it's obvious and i think the owner are quite clear about this. Either he sign a result based contract or he accept a pay cut. His latest season is the indicator for that he can't demand a pay rise or extended contract beyond his thirties with such a history. Asking for a transfer request, or asking to leave the company he works for to put into context two times cost, one way or another, I think this is basic for any executive who negotiate contracts.

I think he will stay and he will sign a new contract. But I also think he will have to accept changes in his salary.
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I will eat my hat if Rooney is even asked to sign a lesser contract.

It simply does not happen with top footballers still in their 20's
 
MancFanFromManc said:
A fully firing Wayne Rooney is an asset to ANY team. Hopefully it'll be ours.
Despite any misgivings about his future can anyone seriously see him moping around the pitch not giving 100% !
If its love he needs, let's give him as much as he can handle. I'll be singing my heart out for him (and all our boys) at Wembley in Aug
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No, I don't. Not for long anyway as I don't think Moyes will stand for it.
 
Hectic said:
I understand that Moyes can hardly come out and say "he won't be here next season" or that we could be willing to sell him, but he seems so adamant that Rooney is staying, I'm wondering if that's not a little odd for a new United manager to set himself so strongly on one thing happening, and then a little while later the opposite comes true. It would surely invite a reaction we really wouldn't want if Wayne was to leave, and I'm sure the press would make a meal about Moyes not being able to keep the player he said wasn't leaving. Maybe the reaction would be immaterial to Moyes or United and they couldn't care less, but my assumption was that he wouldn't commit himself to saying he is staying if he wasn't somewhat sure about it. There were a lot of alternative to "Wayne Rooney will be a United player next season" if he wanted to get the point across without saying those exact words.
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Good points Hectic. I think we have put Wayne and his team into a situation where if he truly wants to leave, he has to hand in an official transfer request. Otherwise, he can forget about leaving.
 
Platato said:
Good points Hectic. I think we have put Wayne and his team into a situation where if he truly wants to leave, he has to hand in an official transfer request. Otherwise, he can forget about leaving.
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An excellent point, and one that should be made to apply to all players seeking a move, not just rooney. If it wasn't for the laughably named loyalty bonus I think most transfers would be sorted a hell of a lot more quickly and simply than they are.
 
Can't help but feel this has all been a program designed to ensure that Wayne gets the best-possible terms in any future contract extension. If that isn't the case...where's the transfer request from 'Wantaway Wayne Rooney'?
 
SteveJ said:
Can't help but feel this has all been a program designed to ensure that Wayne gets the best-possible terms in any future contract extension. If that isn't the case...where's the transfer request from 'Wantaway Wayne Rooney'?
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Disregarding my personal feelings about the bloke, the one thing that has really left a sour taste for me is how everyone is was praising him for training well and looking in great shape......why is he getting so praised for something he should be doing as a given.
 
SteveJ said:
Can't help but feel this has all been a program designed to ensure that Wayne gets the best-possible terms in any future contract extension. If that isn't the case...where's the transfer request from 'Wantaway Wayne Rooney'?
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Naah, I dont think so Steve. I reckon we've made it very clear that we're not selling him to a rival club in England which has drastically reduced him options unless Real or Bayern come in for him. Bayern already have Mandzukic and will get Lewandowski next year. In any case, I dont think he'd fancy a move outside the country anyways so its basically come to a point where he wants to leave but has no viable options where he can go.

It'll drag on for a while but he'l be here again next season without an improvement in his contract imo.

To just add to what I said, the guy has seriously bad advisors if he really thought going to Chelsea or City was a viable move unless they(Chelsea) came in with a very ridiculous offer on top of the wages he'd want.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Disregarding my personal feelings about the bloke, the one thing that has really left a sour taste for me is how everyone is was praising him for training well and looking in great shape......why is he getting so praised for something he should be doing as a given.
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Yes, I haven't really thought about that - but you have a point. It's almost like Moyes and others are trying to counter certain rumours (about his fitness and professionalism) in the media. Which is, I don't know, perhaps a bit odd. They could've easily refrained from commenting on it at all. Hearing Moyes talk about meeting him again - at the presser - one might get the impression he's talking about a player who has been out injured for some time: Excellent shape, has been training well, etc.
 
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