Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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SteveJ said:
Phelan said:
"That is a difficult one," he said. "You can put the first one down to inexperience but the second one is putting yourself right out there. Somewhere down the line there will be words said, there will be meetings and they will see if it's still alive and worth going for or they'll call time on it. He's come from a fresh-faced 17-year-old and has been under the spotlight for that time and he has delivered. He might have hit a blip in certain performances but he isn't the first or last player to have done that. You have to nurse them through it and hopefully he responds to that. Sometimes you have to crack the whip with him. Wayne has responded as well as he feels he can do for United, and what will be will be - I haven't got a clue."
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:lol: Surely that is a joke, right.
 
It seems to me that being surrounded by the British media spouting shite really takes its toll.

AFAIC nothing substantial has come up at all since SAF said those things about a transfer request.

I trust Moyes to make the right decision based on actual evidence and what the club do know for a fact. He is not going to put up with bad discipline and unprofessionalism, and I doubt any of us want that.

If he wants him to stay then I do too, if he wants him to go so be it.

It's not blind faith, it's just a simple decision to make for someone who is properly informed, which none of us are.
 
Has now left training according to sky.
 
At the end of the meeting, if Rooney just leaves the complex, surely that would mean that he's more likely to leave? I mean if everyone else is back in training and he's fecking off out of the complex - that has to say something.
 
antohan said:
It seems to me that being surrounded by the British media spouting shite really takes its toll.

AFAIC concerned nothing substantial has come up at all since SAF said those things about a transfer request.

I trust Moyes to make the right decision based on actual evidence and what the club do know for a fact. He is not going to put up with bad discipline and unprofessionalism, and I doubt any of us want that.

If he wants him to stay then I do too, if he wants him to go so be it.

It's not blind faith, it's just a simple decision to make for smeone who is properly informed, which none of us are.
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This is, I believe, what they call sense.

Whatever happens I must say I hope he doesn't end up at Chelsea. That would be awkward - at best.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
At the end of the meeting, if Rooney just leaves the complex, surely that would mean that he's more likely to leave? I mean if everyone else is back in training and he's fecking off out of the complex - that has to say something.
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Wasn't today supposed to be just be a fitness assessment?

I think I read it somewhere.
 
SammyUnited_83(Newbies) said:
According to Mail, he left at 12.45 but...
'The England forward is due to have his fitness assessment at Carrington this afternoon when the rest of the first-team players also report back after the summer break.'
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sammsky1 said:
Here is what I personally think happened. Rooney was very annoyed at being dropped for the Madrid game and subsequently being played out of position and frequently also being substituted. That would have hurt his ego as well as made him insecure about his position at the club. Form aside, I can understand why he would feel that way.

So he had a informal meeting with SAF, aired his grievances as said something like "well if you're not going to play me propely, why should I stay at this club, I want to be playing all the time, and Im prepared to leave if thats what it takes". SAF would have been irked by such a response and probably let rip some hairdyer treatment. I imagine this happened just a few days before SAF announced his retirement plans.

However, as soon as SAF's retirement plans came out and mumblings of Rooney's discontent also emerged, so the media took over, the club and Rooney's representatives got involve, fans made emotional knee-jerk reactions and so positions became entrenched. One of SAFs final comments on this saga was he told Rooney to 'go away and have a think' ... ie initiate a cooling off period.

In this context, both parties are right: SAF is right that Rooney asked to leave the club (though not formally) and Rooney is right that he has not asked for a transfer. And is thats the case, a carefully thought out statement that allows both parties to keep face should be easily possible.

With a new manager, some new quality midfielders and perhaps even Ronaldo in the mix, I'd really hope we can find a way to keep Rooney, get him feeling loved and motivated and start afresh. I think a front three of Kagawa, RVP and Rooney under Moyes would be devastating, add Ronaldo to that, and we win the Champions League too.
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Quite

Exactly what I believe has happened.
 
Personally, I think it's complete bollocks that Rooney gets blotto every weekend. He has a young son and another on the way and is a professional footballer at one of the biggest clubs in the World. SAF would simply not have stood for anything like the lifestyle that those quotes are suggesting he leads. When you're at the level of professional sport that he's at, it only takes eating a little bit too much or having a drink or two to set you behind your peers, especially when you've got a naturally larger frame than most.
 
Bill.s.preston said:
Without taking into account how it ruined their lives after their careers ended, do you think it was a good idea to compare Rooney to what were essentially functioning alcoholics? Besides, they both played in eras when there was a pub culture and players weren't nearly as fit as they are now.
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I don't think it was a good idea to compare to Rooney to Best/Mcgrath either but I don't think Mcgrath was ever a functioning alcoholic at United. He was someone who was more often that not injured and had huge personal problems which came to the fore after Atkinson left. The move to Villa saved his career. I'm struggling to think of a decent season he had for United under Fergie(87/88 at a push). I know Robson, Whiteside and Mcgrath always get grouped together as part of Big Ron's drinking culture but Mcgrath was a very different case to the other two and he was going nowhere fast with United.
 
Are we sure that it is the fitness assessment today?

Goran Ivanisevic has just pointed out Vidic in the crowd on No 1 Court a few minutes ago.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I don't think it was a good idea to compare to Rooney to Best/Mcgrath either but I don't think Mcgrath was ever a functioning alcoholic at United. He was someone who was more often that not injured and had huge personal problems which came to the fore after Atkinson left. The move to Villa saved his career. I'm struggling to think of a decent season he had for United under Fergie(87/88 at a push). I know Robson, Whiteside and Mcgrath always get grouped together as part of Big Ron's drinking culture but Mcgrath was a very different case to the other two and he was going nowhere fast with United.
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I wasn't specifically referring to United, just playing during his career when he had a drink problem. I can remember a quote from Mcgrath about holding his breath during games so that opposition players couldn't smell the booze.
 
Talksport's Warren Haughton:

After making some enquiries it is my understanding that no meeting has as yet taken place and may not do so today, partly due to certain unnamed persons who desire to be present at the crunch talks being absent.


:lol: if true.
 
Ha. Some of our fans still believe that Fergie would never blatantly lie to the media.

He did it all the time and, well, sometimes you have to. Fergie was no saint and seemed pretty vengeful at times. To get to Fergie's level you have to be a prick. Nice guys wouldn't last 26 years at United.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Ha. Some of our fans still believe that Fergie would never blatantly lie to the media.

He did it all the time and, well, sometimes you have to. Fergie was no saint and seemed pretty vengeful at times. To get to Fergie's level you have to be a prick. Nice guys wouldn't last 26 years at United.
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By all accounts SAF, from a personal POV, is one of the nicest, most humble "famous" people you're most likely to meet. But I agree with you, from a "boardroom" perspective, to succeed at a club like United for that long, you need to be very ruthless, which SAF definitely was.
 
Well (assuming the unnamed person is Stretford), seeing as United are supposedly 'uninterested in discussing a contract extension at this time*,' you have to wonder why Stretford would need to be there if Rooney is staying.


*This is just journalists' speculation/opinion but I've seen it mentioned several times in recent months.
 
If it is Stretford how do you accidentally miss such a meeting?Sabotage! ;)

Unless the discussions took a turn Rooney didn't expect and he wanted his lawyer present so to speak.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
Ha. Some of our fans still believe that Fergie would never blatantly lie to the media.

He did it all the time and, well, sometimes you have to. Fergie was no saint and seemed pretty vengeful at times. To get to Fergie's level you have to be a prick. Nice guys wouldn't last 26 years at United.
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If Fergie had outright deceived the public with his statement then why the qualified denials from the Rooney camp? And none whatsoever from the player directly?
 
I think it's over for Rooney's United career, for a variety of reasons. Still, my pathetic supposed 'contact' once told me that Sneijder was definitely signing for United, so please ignore my opinion(s).
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
If Fergie had outright deceived the public with his statement then why the qualified denials from the Rooney camp? And none whatsoever from the player directly?
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He knows it'd lead to a war of words with Sir Alex in which he'd lose and just further anger the United fans.
 
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