Different situation for me Cantona was the lynchpin at the time like Rooney was in 2010 but even Cantona didn't question the clubs ambition, he wanted a new challenge same with Ronaldo both are understandable achieving all you can at a club may make you want to go elsewhere and try to do it again. But like I said what is that twice in a 27 year career much more players have left after crossing with him/the club.
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Different situation for me Cantona was the lynchpin at the time like Rooney was in 2010 but even Cantona didn't question the clubs ambition, he wanted a new challenge same with Ronaldo both are understandable achieving all you can at a club may make you want to go elsewhere and try to do it again. But like I said what is that twice in a 27 year career much more players have left after crossing with him/the club.
It's comparable if just for the fact that Fergie was willing to do what was required to ensure the clubs best talent stayed at the club.
Better Barca than Chelsea, I says.
I have a feeling, some kind of inkling, that wherever he goes, if he goes, he'll be a bit of a flop. Maybe it's just wishful thinking (I would bloody well hate it if he turned out great for one of our rivals) but I think he can get a boost under Moyes. Elsewhere, though, I have a feeling he'll deteriorate. And that too would be...I don't know. Wishful thinking ain't the right phrase, because I don't really wish him ill. Apart from the hair thing I don't particularly dislike the unfit, shabby old boozehound.
I have a feeling, some kind of inkling, that wherever he goes, if he goes, he'll be a bit of a flop. Maybe it's just wishful thinking (I would bloody well hate it if he turned out great for one of our rivals) but I think he can get a boost under Moyes. Elsewhere, though, I have a feeling he'll deteriorate. And that too would be...I don't know. Wishful thinking ain't the right phrase, because I don't really wish him ill. Apart from the hair thing I don't particularly dislike the unfit, shabby old boozehound.
Are we entirely sure this isn't just a sitcom pilot? How I met your moyse.
I'll get my coat, no need for the gif.
I'll get my coat, no need for the gif.
Under what circumstances matters a lot in instances like that though. Stam is probably one of the top 3 defenders of his career yet he didn't do what was required to keep him.
I agree the fact he was ready to cut off his nose to spite his face there tells us everything we need to know about him as a man. Not that we suffered but imagine selling Vidic around 08-09 would have had the caf in hysterics. If he was still manager I wonder how he would have handled this, unenviable job on Moyes' hands takes his attention away from everything else he has on his plate starting here.
That's nothing to do with the point being made though. I was argueing that Fergie having to eat 'humble pie' (not my words) with Rooney and Ronaldo were not the only times he's had to go that extra mile to keep a player. Stam getting the boot because he had a run in with fergie is irrelevant to this point but maybe not to the greater arguement.
I think the most likely scenario is he made another play to get a bit more money and made some vague threat of leaving. Sir Alex then made his own play by turning that vague threat into a "he wants to leave the club" to get him to wise up. So it has nothing to do with calling into question Sir Alex's motives or actions, I fully support them. I just don't think it makes Rooney out to be this despicable human being either.
I have no doubts that if SAF was still manager, Rooney would be out of the door this summer, to PSG.
I doubt it was to get more money but rather to get more playing time and the position as top dog.
Yeah, but I disagree that going to meet Cantona constituted as SAF eating "humble pie".
Apologies if on the wrong track here, this thread is a nightmare to keep up with!
So the line I am hearing is that he was in for a medical today and nothing more, is this true?
There is no love lost between the two of them currently. It may have been hard for them to continue on as manager and player so I do see him leaving, not to mention we are somewhat less reliant on him than in 2010.
I had to go back and read where this particular tangent started to ensure I was even in the right in my own mind!! As I said, humble pie wasn't my word, and I would prefer to use 'doing whatever's required'.
Cantona is a bad example to compare to this Rooney case they are totally different, Cantona wanted to retire and he thought of going to Inter nothing to do with disrespecting the club or getting a pay rise. Ronaldo and Stam are comparable and only in Ronaldo's case (he was at the time one of the world's two best players) did he let the player dictate terms. Ferguson convincing someone who wants to retire to keep playing is a different conversation than having to convince someone to stay at this club.
Oh no. Moyes and Rooney can't make up. How sad. Fergie is the reason they can't put their shit behind them.
Well yes, Rooney in his rage and desire to hit back at Fergie could have let slip his actual plans to leave United earlier than intended.
And if this Andy Mitten is accurate a transfer to Chelsea has been in the works for some time.
Is that what I said or inferred?
Learn to actually read the posts and understand before you come back with a stupid childish retort that makes zero sense.
To think I called my dog Rooney. 
How short sighted of me. I'll have to have it put down now.
How short sighted of me. I'll have to have it put down now.
IMO SAF shouldn't have said what he did in that final post match interview because it was immediately putting a wedge in the way of Moyes and Rooney having a chance to put their shit behind them. It wasn't required and seemed a little but knee-jerk.
Above is what you said mate. You said it immediately put a wedge in the way of Moyes and Rooney patching things up. therefore, what SAF said got in the way of that. Isn't that what you're saying?
I think Andy Mitten's words are a bit worrying. The lad seems pretty clued up and called the Nani situation quite well IMO. It's quite possible Wayne intimated that he wanted to leave. Rooney's camp haven't disputed that if I remember correctly. They have only rubbished the fact that Wayne handed in a transfer request.
To think I called my dog Rooney.
How short sighted of me. I'll have to have it put down now.
You can always nickname the dog "cnut"
Yes, and you replied with;
Oh no. Moyes and Rooney can't make up. How sad. Fergie is the reason they can't put their shit behind them.
Which is not what I said.I said it was a wedge, which inferred a factor but not the main reason. I never once inferred or explicitly said that it was;
a) I didn't say they can't make up
b) I didn't say Fergie is the reason for it
That's pretty simple now isn't it.
To think I called my dog Rooney.
How short sighted of me. I'll have to have it put down now.
You have the sympathy of me & my parrot Michael Knighton.
That is true though. It has meant Moyes has come in with this Rooney thing hanging over his head. I don't agree that it was knee-jerk but if Fergie was staying on I doubt he would have revealed it. I just think in case Rooney does leave he wants to make it clear it was under his watch any 'problems' started.
Sir Alex isn't perfect he is human no problem in saying he made a mistake, it doesn't happen often but one or two are bound to crop up in 27 years.
I can't believe I've never thought of this before. It's entirely true too. My gran had a budgie called Wayne. One day he flew out the window and we never saw him again. How's that for a metaphor, eh?
Conversely, he could have done it because knowing Rooney and having talked to Moyes, he knew it would be a problem and didn't want the fans to think Moyes drove Rooney from United
Which seems more plausible, IMO. SAF is pretty calculated. To think he did that on the spur of the moment in anger is to ignore years of him being masterful at using words for the long chess game.
Hmmm, I'd see that as grasping a bit but it's possible. That would be playing a very very long range chess game and IMO the first scenario is more plausable.
Oh really. Doesn't that depend on how big the wedge is? It could be perceived as a pretty big wedge. The bottom line is, I strongly doubt what Fergie said has much bearing on Moyes & Rooney's relationship. In fact, it seems quite silly. You have to assume that up until now, Rooney & Moyes have not had the opportunity to patch things up. If anything, I think Sir Alex has put Moyes as the main benefactor in this situation. Whether Rooney stays or goes, Moyes' reputation is not affected. The fact Rooney's supposed desire (depending on what you leave) to leave the club is now public does not remove the possibility that if all stayed silent, Rooney would have signed a new contract. The case is when you are going out, you really have nothing to hide anymore. Perhaps Sir Alex felt it was best for this scenario to come out into the open. I doubt Fergie said those words in the heat of the moment. I think he had it prepared already. "Oh Wayne isn't the squad, let's ask Sir Alex what that's all about".
I know what you said mate. I simply exaggerated it to show how much I disagree.
That's a good point. It would have put added pressure on Moyes if it looked like Rooney decided to leave just because he was appointed manager. Not many would have believed the "he wanted to leave much before that" line either.
The official version is that they have patched things up, though. And they did that well before this saga began.
I really hope she bought a new budgie called Thiago.
I watched SAF's post match interview again. As I said before, he seemed prepared for the question. It didn't faze him at all.
Rooney had already told him he is leaving that would mean it was already obvious he would not be manager when this happened, so he let it be known that Rooney had started this request when he was manager. That takes the heat off Moyes, not really grasping there imo. For him to get up there and just blurt it out? doubt it he, has never done that in his whole career why start after announcing your retirement. The only thing he may not have taken into account is that it would have taken over the national press like it has. I doubt he would have wanted Moyes starting like this.
Well then I wonder what Irwin is referring to then.
The good thing is you can say it forces a decision to be made and quickly. I don't think anyone wants this story to drag on any longer.
I agree with this.
Despite his poor form, there were very few people who wanted Rooney gone. Once news broke about the transfer request, most people then wanted to see the back of him and wouldn't care if he was sold this summer. No talk of a transfer request and people would be upset if we sold Rooney and would probably buy into the stories that the papers would make up about how it was the Moyes/Rooney beef that caused us to sell Wayne, making an already difficult task for moyes even harder.
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