What came across to me, from SAF's post-match interview, was that he's exasperated with Wayne. Far from throwing Wayne to the (media & fans) wolves there was an air from SAF, Neville etc that the club actually cares about Wayne as a person, not just as a player; the exasperation stems from Wayne's ever-changing moods, which have once again placed him & the club in an awkward situation.
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Aren't the players contracted to drive into work in their Chevrolet cars/jeeps?
Rooney drove into work in his Range Rover....i guess that means he is leaving
Rooney drove into work in his Range Rover....i guess that means he is leaving
Aren't the players contracted to drive into work in their Chevrolet cars/jeeps?
Rooney drove into work in his Range Rover....i guess that means he is leaving
He hadn't shaved either, showing total contempt for clean-shaven Moyes & also the Not Turning Up For Work Looking Scruffy act of 1992.
Because Rooney was off form last season and he wants to leave (assuming that is the case).
I agree to a point though. Should be pushing 30m
Rooney's stock has clearly gone down quite a lot this summer, whether you think it's justified or not.
Had Rooney questioned the clubs ambitions at any time other than brief season where he was vital as we had lost Ronaldo, Tevez in recent memory then Ferguson would have canned him there and then. Ferguson is a man keen on a good old grudge and this is as much about that as anything that may have been said in that meeting.
Some tweets from Alistair Fergusson, an editor for various media outlets including Sky:
Alistair Fergusson @Fergie1975 9m
The anecdote. He would often spend weekends from Sat evening to late Sun indoors at home (off radar) drinking massively with his mates...
Alistair Fergusson @Fergie1975 8m
playing comp games. frequently turning up hungover as on a Mon morning for training with SAF sending him home. Lifestyle, it's the lifestyle
The anecdote. He would often spend weekends from Sat evening to late Sun indoors at home (off radar) drinking massively with his mates...
Alistair Fergusson @Fergie1975 8m
playing comp games. frequently turning up hungover as on a Mon morning for training with SAF sending him home. Lifestyle, it's the lifestyle
I agree with you and I also think that if he's going we should push for £30m, but there are more factors than him simply having an off form season. It's obvious that there are problems and that it seems like he wants to leave, so that's always going to cause the price being paid from opposition clubs to come down a bit. They'll know that if we're willing to sell him because he's possibly unhappy, they're not going to have to pay as much. Also, unlike Falcao at Atletico, Rooney isn't completely crucial to the team now. Falcao is Atletico's most important and best player by a considerable distance. Now we have RVP, Rooney is nowhere near as influential as he once was which has been shown when he was dropped for certain games. If a player isn't as important as another, the club aren't going to push for as much money, and opposition clubs will know that they aren't being forced to pay as much.
Page 42 onwards. If you want the short version, I think someone posted an excerpt regarding Wayne a few pages back.
7dan said:
The Mick Clegg interview is featured here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nchester-United-fitness-coach-Mick-Clegg.html
I don't think it's Fergie holding a grudge at all as he's always had a very close relationship with Rooney, to the point where he got away with more than a lot of players would have. On the face of it nothing seemed to have significantly changed between them since the last contract debate.
That said, my interpretation is that Fergie probably just snapped when Rooney mentioned maybe wanting to leave due to not getting enough game time.
Same.
I'm back on the Rooney to stay wagon. I just feel it would be a huge mistake in letting him leave. He an unique player for us.
I hope he stays, AS LONG as he cleans up his *rumoured* lifestyle.
That's pretty damning if true.
Wayne has been doing this for the past 9 years eh Alistair?
If the anecdote is indeed true, it reminds me of the kid genius from my days in school. Everyone knew he was destined for greatness. However, as we all know, bad habits are quite difficult to change. He made some poor life decisions. While he still amazed people with his ability to learn difficult concepts at such a young age, I'm afraid he never made anything of it. Not sure where the lad is now, but it's a shame because he could have accomplished much more if he remained focused.
If the anecdote is indeed true, it reminds me of the kid genius from my days in school. Everyone knew he was destined for greatness. However, as we all know, bad habits are quite difficult to change. He made some poor life decisions. While he still amazed people with his ability to learn difficult concepts at such a young age, I'm afraid he never made anything of it. Not sure where the lad is now, but it's a shame because he could have accomplished much more if he remained focused.
fecking incredible athlete. When I am hungover I can't function at all, literally crawled up in a ball. I don't drink often though. Makes his achievements for the club even more incredible, coming in sketchy and banging in a serious amount of goals.
Fair play to him.
Fair play to him.
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If there's any truth in ^this^, I wonder if Wayne's 'problems' have been kept in-house for ages. I dunno, I remember Hoddle not taking Paul Gascoigne to the World Cup & Graham Taylor's 'refuelling' remark about Gazza, and being pissed off with the two managers; turns out that Hoddle & Taylor were proven right. Not saying that Wayne is an alcoholic* or anywhere near it, but it could well be that United had/have big concerns about his lifestyle.
*I mean that it's perhaps not the boozing which is considered the major problem but the unprofessional lifestyle might be considered so.
Pretty shocking if any of these allegations are true.
George Best and Paul McGrath used to drink loads before games, don't they? And i reckon they played very much decently on most matchdays, much like Rooney
it's hardly surprising if it's true though, he's clearly never been the professional that someone like Ronaldo has.
George Best and Paul McGrath didn't play in the modern game where players get outrageous wages and training and fitness facilities are amazing.
He may have had a close relationship with Rooney but I doubt it was ever on say Ronaldo levels, so I'm not sure how much this particular point matters. If you think Rooney got away with the first transfer request for any other reason than United being in a particularly tricky situation, then I think it'd be for the sake of forgetting how ruthless Ferguson actually is with those who question him or his club.
I think Fergie did probably snap too, I just think it was perfect timing for him to take his parting shots for the hassle and trouble he caused him before and got away with.
No, what's being suggested is Rooney was upset about being dropped for possibly the biggest game since the CL final and said something along the lines of "if I'm no longer considered a key part of this team than I might have to weigh things up" and Sir Alex got a bit pissed off at that attitude and took it from there. No-one's saying he just invented it.
Agree. Reading Phelan's interview yesterday, it seemed to suggest that Rooney thinks he's done as much as can be expected of him. If he's unwilling to accept that his attitude has been poor then there's little chance of him changing. I don't want Rooney here if it's just going to be more of the same. If he accepts that he has been unprofessional he can change and get back to his best, I think.
Completely different game to what it was then and to a certain extent was accepted, Brian Robson used to be the same.
He's not an alcoholic for having drinks at the weekend but he is unprofessional. It astounds me in this day and age how professionals - at a club like United especially - aren't lean and mean constantly. In this sense, having Moyes as the new manager should be a blessing. His training regime is supposed to be intense, wonder if Wayne is looking forward to it?
They did, but football has moved on to become something very professional. Such behavior might have been normal 25 years ago but its really unprofessional to do it today.
Over a week low, but over the entire Summer I reckon the odds on Nani and Rooney leaving and Thiago not arriving are about 5/2.
I'd argue that Rooney's relationship was at least on par with Ronaldo's.
I don't think there's too much of a hint of vengeance in Fergie's actions, but if any of these binge drinking rumours are true then I can fully understand just why he snapped and decided to make a point of it.
I find it funny how many have chosen to interpret the 24hr delay as Moyes having to finalise a couple of deals before talking with Rooney.
We are signing no one until August, get used to the idea. Go out, enjoy the Summer.
We are signing no one until August, get used to the idea. Go out, enjoy the Summer.
I guess there's little wrong with players relaxing on the weekend (boozing aside) but, with 'controlling' managers like SAF & Moyes taking such interest in their players' off-pitch lives, Rooney was always going to resent that intrusion.
You're not seriously using Paul McGrath as an example of drinking doing little damage to a footballer, are you?
Nobody is saying he has an alcohol problem, like you say it is just unprofessional, if the turning up for training on Monday hungover is true, that is unacceptable for a pro athlete.
George Best isn't much better either.
Without taking into account how it ruined their lives after their careers ended, do you think it was a good idea to compare Rooney to what were essentially functioning alcoholics? Besides, they both played in eras when there was a pub culture and players weren't nearly as fit as they are now.
Lots of various Twitter types claiming Wayne has left the Complex.
Moyes is crying in the corner of his office after a tearful argument.
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