Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Sultan said:
If reports are to be believed in the papers that Rooney and his camp are denying that he requested a transfer suggests he wants to stay. The purpose of getting the club or Sir Alex to deny or he asked for a transfer is to try and avoid a negative reaction from the fans when he's back playing.
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Here is what I personally think happened. Rooney was very annoyed at being dropped for the Madrid game and subsequently being played out of position and frequently also being substituted. That would have hurt his ego as well as made him insecure about his position at the club. Form aside, I can understand why he would feel that way.

So he had a informal meeting with SAF, aired his grievances as said something like "well if you're not going to play me propely, why should I stay at this club, I want to be playing all the time, and Im prepared to leave if thats what it takes". SAF would have been irked by such a response and probably let rip some hairdyer treatment. I imagine this happened just a few days before SAF announced his retirement plans.

However, as soon as SAF's retirement plans came out and mumblings of Rooney's discontent also emerged, so the media took over, the club and Rooney's representatives got involve, fans made emotional knee-jerk reactions and so positions became entrenched. One of SAFs final comments on this saga was he told Rooney to 'go away and have a think' ... ie initiate a cooling off period.

In this context, both parties are right: SAF is right that Rooney asked to leave the club (though not formally) and Rooney is right that he has not asked for a transfer. And is thats the case, a carefully thought out statement that allows both parties to keep face should be easily possible.

With a new manager, some new quality midfielders and perhaps even Ronaldo in the mix, I'd really hope we can find a way to keep Rooney, get him feeling loved and motivated and start afresh. I think a front three of Kagawa, RVP and Rooney under Moyes would be devastating, add Ronaldo to that, and we win the Champions League too.
 
sammsky1 said:
Here is what I personally think happened. Rooney was very annoyed at being dropped for the Madrid game and subsequently being played out of position and frequently also being substituted. That would have hurt his ego as well as made him insecure about his position at the club. Form aside, I can understand why he would feel that way.

So he had a informal meeting with SAF, aired his grievances as said something like "well if you're not going to play me propely, why should I stay at this club, I want to be playing all the time, and Im prepared to leave if thats what it takes". SAF would have been irked by such a response and probably let rip some hairdyer treatment. I imagine this happened just a few days before SAF announced his retirement plans.

However, as soon as SAF's retirement plans came out and mumblings of Rooney's discontent also emerged, so the media took over, the club and Rooney's representatives got involve, fans made emotional knee-jerk reactions and so positions became entrenched. One of SAFs final comments on this saga was he told Rooney to 'go away and have a think' ... ie initiate a cooling off period.

In this context, both parties are right: SAF is right that Rooney asked to leave the club (though not formally) and Rooney is right that he has not asked for a transfer. And is thats the case, a carefully thought out statement that allows both parties to keep face should be easily possible.

With a new manager, some new quality midfielders and perhaps even Ronaldo in the mix, I'd really hope we can find a way to keep Rooney, get him feeling motivated and start afresh. I don't expect loyalty from players anymore so it does not bother me that Rooney may have asked to leave again, it goes with the turf nowadays. But I think a front three of Kagawa, RVP and Rooney under Moyes would be devastating, add Ronaldo to that, and we win the Champions League too.
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Personally I don't believe he requested a transfer nor did he ask to be left out on the last day of the season. I suspect it's as has been suggested above: he basically got pissed off and said something to the effect of "If I'm not going to play I should leave". Not a transfer request, but given his history, I suspect it pissed Fergie off.

As for him not wanting to play on the last day, even the way Fergie said it suggested to me that he was inferring from Rooney's behaviour that, if he wanted to leave, he didn't want to play for the club rather than him actually saying he didn't feel right to play.

"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, simply because he has asked for a transfer,"
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Dirty Schwein said:
Because their scoring record last season was superior in addition to the fact that Rooney has stated he wants to leave probably has something to do with it. I cant think of any other explanation :confused:
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It's probably more likely that Rooney has peaked than either Falcao and Cavani, isn't it? Particularly when you consider the questions over his fitness and attitude. There's also a suspicion that we wouldn't necessarily be horrified at the thought of selling Rooney either. Probably concerns that he'd struggle to adapt to living abroad too. On top of that, we pretty much have to sell him this summer if he doesn't want to stay. They're all bound to lower his price. Is selling Rooney for 25m really that much more shocking than the price we bought RvP for? RvP was just coming off the back of an outstanding season and we're a club Arsenal definitely wouldn't want to sell to.
 
Brophs said:
Personally I don't believe he requested a transfer nor did he ask to be left out on the last day of the season. I suspect it's as has been suggested above: he basically got pissed off and said something to the effect of "If I'm not going to play I should leave". Not a transfer request, but given his history, I suspect it pissed Fergie off.

As for him not wanting to play on the last day, even the way Fergie said it suggested to me that he was inferring from Rooney's behaviour that, if he wanted to leave, he didn't want to play for the club rather than him actually saying he didn't feel right to play.
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I agree with this.
 
It'd be naive for all of us to think Ferguson wasn't holding a grudge against Wayne for the initial transfer request - the only reason we didn't ship him off then was the realisation at that point we couldn't afford to lose him at all. So it's not outlandish to think Ferguson's recent reaction was hyperbolic to Wayne simply because now the team is at the point where we could lose Wayne without catastrophic (though still pretty bad) consequences. It seemed to me back then as a parting shot from Sir Alex to Wayne for crossing him and it still seems that to me now. If there is no transfer request - as seems to be the case - then this isn't a matter of money, rather it's ego and pride. SAF and Rooney have clashed, the fans, rightly side with Sir Alex and Rooney is left between a rock and a hard place. Partly of his own making, partly of SAF's revenge.

For me, he'll stay, no doubt about that, as one great man would have said.
 
Rooney won't go. Moyes will do anything to keep him, since he won't want to rock the boat too much too soon. I suspect he'll stay another year and be sold very early next summer.
 
I doubt its even a showdown at all, its more a chance for Moyes to butter him up a bit, tell him some stuff Wayne wants to hear and then get him back out on the training pitch again ahead of the next season.
 
alastair said:
Rooney won't go. Moyes will do anything to keep him, since he won't want to rock the boat too much too soon. I suspect he'll stay another year and be sold very early next summer.
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If he stays then he'll sign a new contract.

We're not Arsenal and daft enough to let our best players contract run in last years.
 
KM said:
If he stays then he'll sign a new contract.

We're not Arsenal and daft enough to let our best players contract run in last years.
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We'll see. I think you're deluding yourself a tad here. Rooney probably thinks this is a good time to leave United so if he's persuaded to give it a shot for one more year, the contract will be signed next summer, not this.
 
There's a difference between asking to leave or saying you're going to leave and actually handing in a transfer request. Rooney's camp have consistently balked about something that has been non-existent throughout this saga.
 
alastair said:
We'll see. I think you're deluding yourself a tad here. Rooney probably thinks this is a good time to leave United so if he's persuaded to give it a shot for one more year, the contract will be signed next summer, not this.
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Rumour has it he's fed up of winning things. Expect a call.
 
I'm sure you could easily quote me from May contradicting this but I now hope he stays. Fergie is gone, we're in a time of uncertainty and we could do with all our best players for this season. I know he acted the prick a few times and he had a falling out with SAF, but tbf Fergie could be a hard man to get on with if all accounts are right. I'm not taking Rooney's side on things but if he wants to stay then I'll gladly welcome him back at this point. He's already lost any potential legend status but he's not going to get that anywhere now so the best he should do is make the most out of the rest of his career at United.
 
He didnt put in a formal transfer request but he asked to leave im sure off that. How some of you are believing he didnt is beyond me, the man who for 26 years always put the club first is lying so is it??

Face it that ungrateful git Rooney couldnt handle not being top dog, getting subbed regulary and not playing all the time. So what does he do? certainly not look at himself and say ''my form is below par i have to work harder, train harder to get back in the team and back to my best form'' Nope he goes in to sulk mode and asks to leave if he is not going to play!! That is just pathetic.

If Fergie was still in charge he'd have Rooney gone, theres no question about that, he kept him last time because it was early season and at that time he was our leader and best player but now he is the highest paid player at the club and he wouldnt get in alot of peoples starting 11.
 
alastair said:
We'll see. I think you're deluding yourself a tad here. Rooney probably thinks this is a good time to leave United so if he's persuaded to give it a shot for one more year, the contract will be signed next summer, not this.
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If he stays then he'll sign a new contract. The club won't let him to go to the final year whilst being uncertain about his future.

Speaking about delusion, how's the Jovetic deal coming along?
 
Rooney would go for so low because we want rid, unless someone really wants him which I haven't seen real evidence of he will not go for more 20-25 maybe 30. It is your demand that dictates your price along with how much the team which has you wants to keep you. Napoli won't sell Cavani for 46 million, anyone who REALLY wants him have to be ready to pay more.
 
alastair said:
We'll see. I think you're deluding yourself a tad here. Rooney probably thinks this is a good time to leave United so if he's persuaded to give it a shot for one more year, the contract will be signed next summer, not this.
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He will either sign a new contract or leave the club before August.
 
KM said:
If he stays then he'll sign a new contract. The club won't let him to go to the final year whilst being uncertain about his future.

Speaking about delusion, how's the Jovetic deal coming along?
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Yeh, I'm not going to get involved in a discussion with you.
 
I'd think Fergie would know the difference between a player being "unsatisfied" with his current situation and an actual request to leave. Surprising how many people are willing to chuck this down to vengeful Fergie wanting to one up Rooney before he leaves or Fergie purposefully misinterpreting the situation.
 
Here is something to consider. If Moyes and Rooney aren't able to reach a resolution, meaning both manager and player realise that a departure is expected, what do you think the official club line will be? Will we continue to say Rooney is not for sale? Or will we concede we have a player who is aiming to leave and most likely sell him for a lower price than we'd like to?
 
Sir Alex has had fallouts with lots of his players and has never hesitated to put all the blame on them, which the players of course have all denied. I'm surprised people think it's somehow disrespectful to Sir Alex to believe he doesn't always tell the whole truth.
 
Brwned said:
Sir Alex has had fallouts with lots of his players and has never hesitated to put all the blame on them which the players of course have all denied. I'm surprised people think it's somehow disrespectful to Sir Alex to believe he doesn't always tell the whole truth.
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Fabricating a transfer request is a little different than ''not telling the whole truth''
 
Seveneric said:
I'd think Fergie would know the difference between a player being "unsatisfied" with his current situation and an actual request to leave. Surprising how many people are willing to chuck this down to vengeful Fergie wanting to one up Rooney before he leaves or Fergie purposefully misinterpreting the situation.
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Depends on how one truly feels about this situation. If you so wish, you can choose to explore the different possibilities at play. One of which would be Ferguson slightly exaggerating what he said. For me, I wouldn't be happy if Wayne left but that disappointment wouldn't last very long. I'd rather he leave because I am very doubtful he will buckle down like he needs to in this Moyes era. He hasn't changed his habits off-the-field and as the trainer in the interview said, if he trained better, he would be a better player now. Are those training habits now suddenly going to change? I doubt it.
 
Platato said:
Here is something to consider. If Moyes and Rooney aren't able to reach a resolution, meaning both manager and player realise that a departure is expected, what do you think the official club line will be? Will we continue to say Rooney is not for sale? Or will we concede we have a player who is aiming to leave and most likely sell him for a lower price than we'd like to?
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PSG are watching and waiting, theyl pay a handsome price, its just will Rooney want to go abroad
 
I'm pretty confident SAF isn't lying, and that Wayne did ask him to leave. Obviously it's based on nothing but my opinions of the two, and that Wayne's camp have only addressed the part where they deny putting in a formal transfer request, which is completely irrelevant as no-one has said that anyway. Why can't they deny that he ever spoke to Fergie about leaving, and why not address this instantly when Fergie came out with it, rather than letting it build to the level it has done? I also can't see how if nothing was said about leaving or any of it, why Fergie would say anything at all, let alone make up something like this which would surely invite shit tons of unwanted speculation, as it has done, and could very easily be denied by Rooney's side?
 
Platato said:
Depends on how one truly feels about this situation. If you so wish, you can choose to explore the different possibilities at play. One of which would be Ferguson slightly exaggerating what he said. For me, I wouldn't be happy if Wayne left but that disappointment wouldn't last very long. I'd rather he leave because I am very doubtful he will buckle down like he needs to in this Moyes era. He hasn't changed his habits off-the-field and as the trainer in the interview said, if he trained better, he would be a better player now. Are those training habits now suddenly going to change? I doubt it.
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What trainer?? in what interview??
 
Brwned said:
Sir Alex has had fallouts with lots of his players and has never hesitated to put all the blame on them, which the players of course have all denied. I'm surprised people think it's somehow disrespectful to Sir Alex to believe he doesn't always tell the whole truth.
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He might have told a lie in the past but saying Rooney has handed in a transfer request is serious allegation.
 
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