Brwned your a sensible poster, you cant sit there and tell me that Rooney didn't in some way ask to leave?? You cant believe that Fergie just made it up or even exaggerated Rooneys displeasure of not playing into a transfer request.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Brwned your a sensible poster, you cant sit there and tell me that Rooney didn't in some way ask to leave?? You cant believe that Fergie just made it up or even exaggerated Rooneys displeasure of not playing into a transfer request.
Thread title tells such a story.
Going to put a ton on him joining Chelsea.
Read this from Sammsky. It's about the best description of what I feel most people think happened.
We are not saying that Fergie outright lied to the media or that Rooney didn't in some way ask to leave or threaten to leave, but rather that it has been blown out of proportion partly due to what Fergie said.
IMO SAF shouldn't have said what he did in that final post match interview because it was immediately putting a wedge in the way of Moyes and Rooney having a chance to put their shit behind them. It wasn't required and seemed a little but knee-jerk.
These sky sources saying talks are on hold- they the cones at Carrington?
So he questioned the club's ambition when he was the main man, & now that someone else is the main man, he's throwing his toys out of the pram. And Mitten thinks that's mature?
Right-o
In my view, SAF's 'outburst' was calculated - it didn't take place in the first flush of fury.
One problem with that theory is that this meeting took place 2-3 weeks prior to SAF's retirement announcement and then him going public. More than enough time surely to remedy some misunderstanding or mere tantrum?
And i struggle to believe that a player goes into a meeting with their manager with those sort of questions without first having spoken to the agent [particularly Rooney], during wich a range of responses was discussed dependent upon how the 'chat' proceeded. Moving on elsewhere for whatever reason was therefore already on the agenda.
Rooney can have no complaints about being dropped. He wasn't good enough. Not at all surprised that his lifestyle choices are coming to light, he was probably drunk on the pitch half the time. Should be one of the best players in the world with his talent.
You can't honestly believe that?
Swear I saw a few Jack Daniels bottles stashed away in Phelan's bag...
Bah. Lifestyle this and lifestyle that. Until someone gives me solid proof I refuse to believe Rooney has (and has had, over time) any serious "issues" in that regard. Remember the time him and Jones were out a bit late, having a few, no doubt - contrary to Fergie's instructions? Rooney was dropped from the squad, no mercy whatsoever, wasn't he? If he has been boozing heavily and regularly whilst playing for us he must have been as good at hiding it as Lance Armstrong was at fooling WADA.
I agree, He's far too clever to let something like that slip in the heat of the moment. He wanted to expose the truth, probably to get Rooney to buckle down or bugger off.
Maybe Sir Alex as he might want to put his case forward, he won't like being made out to be lying.
I doubt he gives a toss about Rooney, he's on centre court watching Murray.
Pah! Just look at the bleary-eyed, unshaven twit! He looks like he's had 20 pints already!
Hint of a double chin there. Clearly unfit.
Why the hell am I getting emirates cup come up as an advertisement, this is a bloody outrage.
Exactly, so he wouldn't be able to attend the meeting. I agree about Rooney, but he will care about his own reputation.
Thats fairly worrying for me. Mitten knows more than most. As long as the club holds firm and does not sell to a PL club I will accept it.
I don't find it hard to believe he may have had a drink a few times but not enough that it would have been occurrence. There is really little space for that in the modern game your game will suffer too much though we have seen a decline in Rooney's ability the last couple of season though he has been quite prolific. I have no idea how will this will end but I don't see Moyes accepting anything less than 100% from him.
You might be right there. It certainly didn't have the air of any spontaneous "outburst". I think the summary above (by Sammsky) is probably very close to the truth. But you can probably add a couple of factors: RVP (Fergie clearly was in love with RVP and his presence did mean Rooney's was less crucial than in seasons past). And the old "ambitions" case. Fergie can't have been happy with that. He handled it - and in retrospect I'd say he did the right thing, as usual - but I wouldn't rule out it has lingered in his mind: I think Fergie was a bit tired of Wayne Rooney, especially a Wayne Rooney that wasn't playing the football of his life, and perhaps - just perhaps - the old man was waiting for an opportunity to let the boy know unequivocally who the boss of Manchester United is.
Pah! Just look at the bleary-eyed, unshaven twit! He looks like he's had 20 pints already!
He's a right scruffy bugger. If he was good looking he might get away with it, but he's ugly as well so doesn't.
As for the second paragraph, do you not think that things are said in the heat of the moment? We all know the stories of fergies temper and we know from his antics on the pitch that Rooney can have a short fuse so it's possible that despite the best laid plans going into a meeting things may be said that weren't planned or truly meant. Also, if he was declaring his intention to leave officially wouldn't an agent be present?
Maybe it will be a stint at Club Nike in the US to get him in shape again. There again can never tell when Wayne is in good shape or not.
Say what you want DT, but his eyes are great!
I lose a bit of objectivity when I see Rooney chav'ed up and think, Surely this scruffy bastard can't take Bobby Charlton's place as the club's top scorer. Can't help it. I know it's irrational. Sir Bobby even handled his hair loss with more dignity than Rooney.
*Not entirely serious post before anyone picks my post apart
I agree with this he had to swallow humble pie in 2010 to an extent, that may not have sat well with him he has never had to do that before as far as I can remember bar Ronaldo which was a different situation. Normally he always shows who is boss and the club comes first, he was unable to do that in 2010 and it may have weighed on his mind this time. He has left Wayne in doubt about how things go here and because of his confidence in Van Persie he has been able to do that with little regret I assume. The question is how will Wayne react, this is not the first time his form has dropped but normally he has still been first choice upfront this is the first time he has been in such a situation in his almost 10 years here..
Cantona and the fact he had to go to France to convince him to withdraw his retirement? Fergie was always willing to do what was needed to keep the special players playing.
I know it's not, but I would feel sad if Rooney passed Sir Bobby's record, but Ryan had his issues and he passed the appearance record. There again you can never question Ryan's professionalism regarding his football.
That's my main problem with Rooney. The hair. He blew the chance of a lifetime: The stupid bastard could've sported a Charlton style comb-over, the greatest hairdo in the history of mankind. But no, he had to throw it all away, thick scouse, chavish, fat, drunken git!
For feck sake, if Rooney scores enough goals to fire us to another title I'll be delighted that he broke the record!!
Looks tired in those pictures, needs another holiday I reckon. Maybe the meeting was Moyes recommending Wayne vacation destinations, him being the expert and all.
The Cantona situation isn't comparable IMO, Cantona wanted to leave football altogether, not just the club. Ronaldo comparison makes more sense, but then again, Rooney isn't on Ronaldos level.
He just seems a bit slow and sluggish to me. I can except he may have lost a yard of pace due to injuries etc. but he seems sluggish at times like he can't get going when he is running. When Wayne is off everything goes off his touch, his passing, his general play drops. Moyes is renowned for getting his team in top shape so if he stays I have no doubt he will be at the top of his game physically.
Pique does the ol' tapping-up routine:
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