Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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If it's true they have made a bid, then they must be seriously deluded if they think they can bid a miserly £20m.
Meanwhile, the nation's least-favourite comic (the Daily Star) claims that Rooney is willing to stay...as long as his wages remain the same. However, it's the Star, so he's probably off to Anzhi.
Or you could compare it to our opening offer for Baines, it is expected that if the bid is increased by a a third we or so we should be able to reach a deal, if Arsenal increase the figure a similar proportion it takes on a different complexion.
It's about money again? Not that he's deserving of his wages continuing at their current level of course.
Could be a low bid because Arsenal know that Wayne wants to join them. [/tinfoil hat]
How are the Rooney fan club gonna spin this one then?
Does anyone deny that Rooney clearly isn't the most professional athlete when it comes to fitness and off the field behaviour? He's no Ronaldo in that regard.
20 million.
Although we are pretty pathetic at times for getting good transfer fees.
Although we are pretty pathetic at times for getting good transfer fees.
£25m for Rooney - is way underpriced. £40m minimum.
A reporter at the Glastonbury festival took to Twitter on Saturday evening to claim that Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney had been 'busted' for drugs at Glastonbury which means he'd have been caught with illegal substances. It is a huge claim to make obviously, but the lady involved was insistent.
Carly Wilford who is a TV presenter, journalist and radio presenter Tweeted on Saturday afternoon 'Wayne Rooney just got busted for drugs @GlastoFest #ouch', if it's not true then she's likely to face the wrath of his agents through legal action. It's a huge claim and when she was asked by several people if she was being serious, Wilford was adamant.
The footballer had been at the festival with his wife and had been pictured having a beer or two, nothing wrong with that but if there's any truth in the allegations then it will surely have some impact on his career, both for club and country.
It's more likely, we're simply speculating, that someone with the Rooney couple as part of their group was caught with something and that's what Wilford has seen. It's simply hard to believe that such a high profile footballer as Wayne Rooney would even risk such a thing. It was put to Wilford that it may have been a relative of Rooney who looked like him, but she didn't reverse the claim and agreed with someone who commented that the story would make the Sunday newspapers.
The Rooney couple have recently had their second child and the PR and career implications would be huge, there would also be the possibility of arrest. This one is indeed an odd one and we'd say to assume it's not true rather than the opposite. There's every possibility Wilford was mistaken, despite being so insistent.
The journalist may not have an interest in football and therefore not understand what a huge issue this would be, she works mainly in the music industry. It will be interesting to see if she still has the tweets up on her account on Sunday, or even still has a Twitter account!
If she's right, this is going to be a huge story which will run for weeks, it could also hasten any possible Manchester United exit.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...-wayne-rooney-busted-for-drugs-at-glastonbury
She'll be expecting a lawsuit
I highly doubt Rooney would join Arsenal, hes spent years tormenting them, and is quite aware they are not the winning formula. Chelsea or PSG for me. More his style too.
I can't even see Wenger bidding £20 million for him. He's so tight, he would have tears rolling down his cheek writing out a cheque that large. It would play out like the scene in the movie Ghost when Whoopi Goldberg hands over that cheque to the nuns.
Tweets deleted since. So much for being so adamant it was him.
People questioning his application in games? I think he is giving his best I just think currently it isn't enough he looks slow and sluggish when he should be at his peak his past injuries are somewhat to blame. But his fitness has always been questioned the fact that a top fitness coach has come out and questioned it just provides further back up. He is a good player and has had a great career but the point is he could have been better and I agree. You can't question his commitment on the pitch but it is his off the field work that is being questioned. Le Tissier said the same thing it's not hard to believe in all honesty.
Well that's their stance on the situation at least, i think Chelsea with their deep pockets can go better than £25m.
They appear to believe that his impulse is to move on but could be won over, which in itself is telling some might say.
I think Arsene may hope to get him cheap as a sorta return favour for RVP if the rumours are true.
"Rooney to ____" stories followed by a denial ? 
Howard Nurse @howardnurse
Arsenal bid for Rooney no more than rumour (from reputable sources).
Howard Nurse @howardnurse
Arsenal bid for Rooney no more than rumour (from reputable sources).
Guys rooney got busted for drugs!! GUYS GUYS MEMEMEMEMEMEMEM!!!!!!! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Works in the music industry and complaining about being busted for drugs. fecking hell Journalism really is in the shitter these days. Go social media WOoOOoo
WTF?
Clearly she was confused due to his unusual actions at the festival, likely due to him being the only one not off his head on junk.Guys rooney got busted for drugs!! GUYS GUYS MEMEMEMEMEMEMEM!!!!!!! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Works in the music industry and complaining about being busted for drugs. fecking hell Journalism really is in the shitter these days. Go social media WOoOOoo
"Rooney to ____" stories followed by a denial ?
Howard Nurse @howardnurse
Arsenal bid for Rooney no more than rumour (from reputable sources).
Well i think we'd all realised it was nothing more than that at thsi point, if it was official the coverage would be quite different.
For all we know it was a story facilitated by Stretford to help Rooney's case in negotiations. Or the club might use it to insinuate that his camp have already been putting the feelers out.
Like others have expressed i don't think it does either party good for this to linger on much longer, be it that United settle on keeping him or both prepare themselves for Rooney playing somewhere else come August.
So Arsenal have reportedly offered £20m, decent offer but not enough, if we can get a bid of £25-30m, hopefully we will snap there hands off.
Has for the drugs thing at Glaso, not good for his image or United's, but if it was only a bit of weed, I don't really see a problem.
Has for the drugs thing at Glaso, not good for his image or United's, but if it was only a bit of weed, I don't really see a problem.
Why is all the speculation centered around a 20m bid it's pretty fooking obvious he's worth a lot more than that. For weeks now it keeps mentioning this 20m figure I don't get it.
The story itself is probably nonsense if the tweets have been deleted, but a player taking drugs is a problem either way. It might not be as bad as some others substances he could have been taking, but he shouldn't be having any either way. He's a pro football being paid millions in the modern game and that sort of stuff isn't acceptable anymore.
I did say I agreed with it, just did not see a problem with it, I myself dont do weed or any drugs.
From what I have read it is no more additive than drink and most of us do that.
People are deluding themselves if they think anyone except a money club will spend more than around £22m on Rooney.
If he wants to go, you have no bargaining position. If you keep him, you've got an unhappy player who will not be useful to you.
If he's not bothered whether he stays or goes, he'll definitely stay. Moyes won't want to rock the boat too much.
At the end of the day, the player Rooney was isn't the player he is now. He's not worth these ridiculous figures like £40m that posters here seem to think he is. It's just not realistic unless Anzhi or Monaco bid.
If he wants to go, you have no bargaining position. If you keep him, you've got an unhappy player who will not be useful to you.
If he's not bothered whether he stays or goes, he'll definitely stay. Moyes won't want to rock the boat too much.
At the end of the day, the player Rooney was isn't the player he is now. He's not worth these ridiculous figures like £40m that posters here seem to think he is. It's just not realistic unless Anzhi or Monaco bid.
Just look at the Torres transfer. He was in worse form, at the same age and he clearly wanted to go yet he left for £50m. Ronaldo obviously wanted to leave us yet he went for a world record fee. This whole "you've got an unhappy player who will not be useful to you" suggestion comes up all the time but it's just pie in the sky stuff. Ronaldo was obviously a little distracted in 08/09 and wasn't on top of his game but he still had a big hand in us winning the title and we'd have had very little chance of reaching the CL final without him. And even though he was "unhappy" he still went for a huge sum. Likewise Berbatov was so adamant he wanted to leave that he refused to play/train (?) at the beginning of the league season yet we still paid over £30m. So much for no bargaining power.
The idea that he's no longer the player he once was based on one below-par season is bizarre. In the previous season he scored 27 league goals - a record Henry bettered just once and a record only 6 players have surpassed in Premier League history. In the season before that he was the key player in our run to the Champions League final and a crucial part of our record-breaking title win. In terms of the league he's gotten 76 goals and 28 assists in the last 4 seasons or averaged a goal/assist every 94 minutes. In the last two seasons he's averaged a (league) goal/assist every 95 minutes. Last season he averaged a (league) goal/assist every 92 minutes. Yeah, he's on a pretty drastic decline.
The only reason people are jumping on the "Rooney's past it" bandwagon is because they've forgotten about his injuries and so the lack of goals is taken out of context. He played just 2017 league minutes last season which equates to just over 22 full games. It's the lowest amount in his United career. There's a clear correlation being fitness/playing time issues and goal returns in Rooney's last 5 seasons; in the two seasons he's played over 2500 minutes/started over 30 league games he's scored over 25 league goals, in the other three seasons he's scored under 15. It's not like he suddenly became poor in these seasons though, last season and in 10/11 because he couldn't be relied on to be our main goalscorer he simply took on a more creative role and allowed Berbatov/Hernández and van Persie to be our go-to man for goals. In both of those seasons he was one of just a handful of players to get into double figures for both goals and assists. Unless you've got some kind of evidence that he's now in such poor conditioning that he'll have to resign himself to starting under 30 league games every season from now on then any suggestion he's past his peak is clearly ridiculously knee-jerk.
Only difference i see Brwned is that those players were very important to their teams and the clubs actually wanted those players to stay. Is that still the case with Rooney? Possibly under Moyes, but it certainly didn't look that way under SAF, he seemed a little indifferent about it all by the end.
Selling Rooney for less that 30m and anywhere near 20m would be well below his value. However you rate this season just gone he only just came short of what bale an mata produced, the two if then having their best seasons him wildly regarded as having only a decent season. This is a guy who can get you 30 goals as a number 9 and in a normal season around that in goals and assists as a number 10. He's definitely worth 20m to us over two seasons unless he actually threatens to underperform or something.
Jesus christ.
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Superb post.
I don't get that Ash. What are we talking about here? Goal returns and assists or levels of performance? If its goals and assists then you may have a case, but the gulf between level of performance was far more striking. Mata and Bale made the difference in games, and made their teams better. Did Rooney do that for us? Did his performances inspire our team to achieve more than would otherwise have been possible?
Not for me and i am not slagging rooney here, only highlighting the difference between overall contributions, as opposed to comparing goal tallies. Mata and Bale had an almost RVP type of effect on their respective teams, they were inspirational and their teams effectiveness would have been significantly lessened by their absence. If that was the case with rooney, why do so many - including most notably SAF - deem him to have been so disappointing despite his goal return?
Great post, Brwned. I was going to challenge Alastair's claims but you said it better than I could.
It's all in the eye of the beholder - like a typical matchday thread in which some post that 'Player X is my MOTM' while another posts 'Player X is crap, and needs flogging,' opinions on Rooney vary wildly. I just hope that Moyes gets his decision right; I'll support that decision no matter what it is.
I don't think even Al can realistically claim that Rooney's worth less than Híguain or that he's half the player Cavani (rumours say Chelsea bid 45M for him) or Torres is.
He may have just fallen short of what they produced on paper, but there's no doubt that the two of them had much better seasons than Rooney. Considering neither of the two are strikers, they're not really supposed to be scoring more than Rooney anyway. Anything other than scoring more than them would be disappointing for Rooney although he's kind of got an excuse because of his injuries. There's no doubt that Bale and Mata had far better seasons than him though. They were their sides best players, almost carrying them at times to their respective positions, and were much more consistent as well.
I do agree that a fee of £20m is too little for Rooney though when you consider what Torres went for. He could have a very good season next year, for example, as he was hardly awful this season. With Torres there's the argument that Liverpool weren't going to let him leave for a small price because of his influence and him being their most important player comfortably unlike Rooney who is our second best forward, but even then it's not enough to warrant £30m more than prices Rooney is being touted for. He should be going for around £30m minimum for me. Ideally I'd rather sell him if he wants to leave as opposed to having an unhappy player staying, but that doesn't mean we should take a bargain price. Only in the last year of his contract should we take £20m at this age.
The problem here is that Rooney's injuries may well be down to a lack of dedication to keeping himself fit. Time and time again he comes back to pre-season training unfit and overweight, and he spends the first couple of months getting himself into decent shape again.
Clearly, he's still a quality player, as shown by the statistics you posted. Should he join Arsenal, for example, I can't imagine that he wouldn't score goals with the service he's set to be given.
Of course there are a lot of people who deliberately take his lack of goal-scoring last year out of context, but I do think there are fair arguments to why he didn't play as many games as one might have expected. He didn't play against Real Madrid at home, for example. Why was this? You can say it was tactics all you want, but the reality is that Wayne Rooney has been undroppable for the vast majority of his time at Old Trafford. This changed in the last days of Ferguson, and you can't get around that fact.
You don't drop players who have an immense value to the team. Rooney's powers are on the wane.(see what I did there?). That doesn't mean he's not a great player to have in your team, but he isn't as good as he once was, meaning his value diminishes. Comparing him to Torres here is facetious really - that was clearly a desperate move from Chelsea and the price tag represented that. If anyone were to buy Rooney, they'd be doing it calmly and not in a panicked way, reducing the fee considerably. I'd be amazed to see a fee over £25m.
I wouldn't, but that isn't how football transfers work.
Carroll isn't four and a half times the player Hernandez is, but look at that deal.
It's actually impossible to conclude what players are worth these days. Torres for 50 million and Carroll for 35 are both insane prices when you know that RVP went for 25(?). Likewise, players like Kagawa and Özil, young Bundesliga superstar profiles, go for as little as 10 million. It's absurd, really. One would think that it has something to do with PL players being overpriced, but last summer Hazard went for 35 million, despite having proved nothing in a big league, nor on the international stage. Boy, what a clusterfeck...
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