Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Can someone post James Ducker's article in the Times about Rooney? Not subscribed to it anymore.
 
SER19 said:
IF any of the new talk is true, that he is still keen on leaving, David Moyes needs to do every fan of this club a favour, open the door and say get the feck out. Go back through my posts and anyone will see Ive been a big fan of rooney through the years.
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Hahah, yeah he fecking does need to do that doesn't he.
 
Seriously, can I quit my decent paying job to become a trash journalist?? I could do it better than these twats..
 
They're (or possibly there, or even their) using internet-spelling in a vain effort to be 'down with the kids'.
 
I wonder if that is paparazzi or some random member of the public looking to make £100.

With the those rain sodden hilly fields he should hopefully walk the cider off, well one or two. Hold on if you're in the VIP area it's probably door to door i guess.

Do the Rooneys dilute their right to privacy as a result of some of their media relationships? I don't know if we really need to be stalking them around Glastonbury.

We do have a case of sport reflecting politics here in a sense, with the Mail and Mirror facing off against each other.
 
Mad Winger said:
Right now I'd say Rooney is better than Welbeck in any position, except maybe for the wing positions.

Having said that, I think that Rooney in the no.10 position is massively overrated. I can think of several players in this world who I'd put ahead of Rooney in that role. Mata, Silva, Iniesta, Özil and Kagawa, for instance. There are also several young players like Götze, Reus and Isco who look like they're about to surpass him(if they haven't already).

I still think that Rooney is a lone striker who happens to be versatile and mobile enough to play as a no.10. But he has never been a typical no.10, nor will he ever be. His close control, short passing, link-ups and creativity is just not good enough for that. The reason we've played Rooney as a no.10, is because is because of our style and player material. As long as Rooney participates with goals and assists, as well as working hard, there hasn't really been a reason for us to change our "winning model". But whenever people have complained about lack of fluidity in attack, sloppy passing in the attacking third, and generally being overrun in midfield, Rooney has also been a part of the problem. It's not just our "horrible" midfield that is to blame. Having a player like Mata or Kagawa up front might not result in as many goals, but it's still much better for the rest of the players on the field. I also think it's a necessary step in order to become a power in Europe again. We got unlucky against Real, fair enough. But we still have something to prove.

Before Kagawa came, we didn't have anyone but Rooney to play behind the striker. When Kagawa came, so did RVP. That made SAF change his plans of moving Rooney further up the field. It is pretty obvious by now. At the end of the day, Kagawa already looks like he's around Rooney's level in terms of skills in general, and he's also much better suited for the no.10 role. Why not conclude that Rooney is the elephant in the room by now? Kagawa is 24 and needs more playtime in order to become the star that he is. He also has a much more professional attitude. He deserves the spot now.

That is why I have no problems whatsoever with Rooney leaving. Obviously the main reason is because of his attitude, but I still don't see why he's so important to the team. He's a really good player who most teams would kill to have. But there are several better strikers and no.10's out there. What makes Rooney stand out is his versatility. But in the end, being a specialist might have been better for him. A jack of all trades will struggle to settle in a very specific role when the competition is so vast.
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Good post. There is no doubt Kagawa is talented but I feel he plays best in a certain system. That quick pressing, counter attacking style Dortmund use. It puts your opponents on the backfoot they have no time to adjust to quick sweeping attacks and in that situation he can play passes through for the front man, passes and get into the box to finish chances. We currently have a more patient build up which doesn't suit him best but of course he still stands out playing this style he gets in the between the lines between Midfield and defence he picks up space in these areas and looks to do damage. I agree that Van Persie changed the whole plan for this season and Rooney has to an extent had to be shoe horned into the side and that can be done because of his versatility. Rooney is best as a no.9 scoring goals is the thing he does best nowadays.

I think Rooney is creative enough but he is definitely sloppy with the ball to often. At times he settles for long passes when he should be trying to be more inventive. We have won the league with a team with one top quality midfielder and poor contribution from the wings which is usually our mainstay but the Fergie factor also has to be considered. I don't think any other manager would have won as convincingly with the contribution from this squad. Van Persie was amazing in the first half of the season and without a few of his match-winning performances the title race would have been much closer.

We struggle to control the midfield consistently throughout most games that is a problem at the highest level if you can't control the midfield you will be found out Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Dortmund the better teams in Europe will pounce on that weakness. Carrick's subtle, composed style is quality but unless he is partnered with the likes of Iniesta and Xavi whose movement, touch passing and tactical awareness negate any real need for steel in there despite the fact Bayern sussed them out to an extent this season he needs a partner along the lines of Vidal or Yaya Toure. Thiago will do well but there will be some adjusting this league is more physical and faster paced than Spain and he is small he will need to be physically and mentally strong to survive here. If we improve the midfield with a couple of signing and we are able to sign at least one quality winger (slim pickings out there) then the overall increase in squad quality would negate Rooney leaving. If Kagawa does have a good season I still don't expect him to match Rooney stat wise this year 16 goals 13 assists and he isn't capable of some of the things Rooney is. A season similar to Cazorla's or Mata's first would/should be expected and would be impressive. Rooney just brings a certain quality and match winning ability that only Van Persie and Nani are capable of in the squad even when he is not playing well he has presence on the pitch. A shame to lose a player like that but he has looked to be on the decline for the last two season may be best to cut our losses. If he is hungry to play here and work hard and more than happy for him to stay, but tactically where does he fit in? I agree he has is not a 10 he always plays a mature game out on the left I think he does better out there than fans think but he should be in the centre anywhere else is a waste.
 
Feel it's now looking likely that he will push for a move.So all talk of whether he better than Welbeck or not is irrelevant.
 
If he wants to go, let him go. Hopefully it is a quick transfer, I can't take more of his shenanigans. The whole situation has gotten boring now.

We are no longer in 2010 when it seemed inconceivable that we should lose him.
 
Can't imagine that Wayne wants to work under Moyes again:






He (Moyes) gets a complaint.

A member of the public has made an allegation of player misbehaviour - not drink-related - over the weekend. Moyes picks up the phone.

'Get Rooney up here.'

In less than a minute Britain's most celebrated teenage footballer is standing in front of Moyes's desk, as though awaiting sentence at a court martial. He is wearing a towel and a pair of flip-flops, and has a small black tattoo on his right shoulder, with the word 'Coleen' at the centre of it. He looks leonine, the physique of a young Burt Reynolds with the face of Mr Potato Head.

Is the complainant right? Rooney mumbles a negative. 'Is that true, Wayne? You didn't do anything?'

'Yes boss. Didn't do nothin'.'

Moyes, perhaps intending to lighten the mood, remarks that Rooney has lost weight.

'Bin eatin' lots of fish, boss.'

'Good, Wayne. Good. Keep it up. Don't eat anything after seven o' clock, you hear me?'

Rooney nods meekly and disappears. Moyes phones the complainant, who insists that his version of events is correct. Others will back this up, apparently.

Moyes sighs, but it's a minor incident. At most, an apology is called for. He summons Rooney again. Now changed, the future of English football looks exactly what he is: a boy wearing jeans and a shirt, silent, humble before the managerial desk. It will make life easier if an apology is made, the manager says. Rooney nods.
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From Moyes Own Story
(published 2003):

Part 1:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/apr/06/football.newsstory

Part 2:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/apr/06/football.newsstory1
 
That was 10 years ago. Rooney was a boy. He's now a man. I really doubt he's still holding onto anything.
 
I saw this posted on another forum, it's an interview with Mick Clegg, who used to work for United doing fitness training, it does shed some light on what a lot of supporters have felt for a while about his fitness not being up to scratch, apparently he's not the hardest worker and in Clegg's opinion he would be a much better player now if he had more dedication. The interview starts on page 42.

http://issuu.com/sportingpublications/docs/sports_fitness_lr
 
Interesting interview, no surprise at all about Rooney. Fantastic talent but could have been one of the greats if he put in the hours.
 
Erentz said:
I saw this posted on another forum, it's an interview with Mick Clegg, who used to work for United doing fitness training, it does shed some light on what a lot of supporters have felt for a while about his fitness not being up to scratch, apparently he's not the hardest worker and in Clegg's opinion he would be a much better player now if he had more dedication. The interview starts on page 42.

http://issuu.com/sportingpublications/docs/sports_fitness_lr
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'The only time he really gave absolutely everything was when he broke his metatarsal before the 2006 World Cup. He worked his socks off then and showed what a great athlete he could've been - to me, he could've been better than he is now. If he'd have come closer to matching the work Ronaldo did he'd have been an absolutely massive player, but he didn't' -- Mick Clegg

Damning really. To put that into context 2006 was 7 years ago. If this is to believed, Rooney last really tried to get himself in tip top shape 7 years ago. Should Rooney come back for preseason fat and overweight again we all know why, eh?
 
Thanks for posting, I'm transcribing the salient bit as it can be hard to navigate through those online magazines

"Wayne did some boxing with me and you could tell he'd boxed before. It's probably the only bit (of gym work) he enjoyed. The only time he really gave absolutely everything was when he broke his metatarsal before the 2006 World Cup. He worked his socks off then and show what a great athlete he could have been - to me, he could've been better than he is now. If he'd have come closer to matching the work Ronaldo did he'd have been an absolutely massive player, but he didn't.
I remember looking in a magazine that listed the world's top 100 players. Ronaldo was No. 1 and Rooney was something like 17th. I think that he would've been closer, or Wayne could have eventually taken top spot, if he'd been able to emulate Ronaldo's attitude towards the gym."
 
Very hard to ignore that kind of testimony and it's disappointing to have the suggestion that Rooney doesn't take his fitness as seriously as he should confirmed by someone who would know. No wonder Fergie seems to have lost a bit of patience with every passing pre-season.
 
Sam said:
How are the Rooney fan club gonna spin this one then? :lol:
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Funny because you were the one sucking his cock when you started this thread years after 2006, damning anyone who "questions the boy's talent and class" and proclaimed to anyone who would listen that he's "a world class footballer". All that time he had dedication issues, you must feel a bit foolish?
 
Dominos said:
Funny because you were the one sucking his cock when you started this thread years after 2006, damning anyone who "questions the boy's talent and class" and proclaimed to anyone who would listen that he's "a world class footballer". All that time he had dedication issues, you must feel a bit foolish?
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I started this thread in 2008, FIVE years ago, well before he'd taken this club, and SAF, for a ride just to get more money. He was also a much better player back then, who put in effort in pretty much every game. A far cry from these days.
 
Sam said:
I started this thread in 2008, FIVE years ago, well before he'd taken this club, and SAF, for a ride just to get more money. He was also a much better player back then, who put in effort in pretty much every game. A far cry from these days.
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The article also claims he wasn't giving "absolutely everything" back when you were one of the biggest Rooney nuthuggers on here.

It's a nothing story, it doesn't even claim that he's lazy, or doesn't put an acceptable amount of work in, just one guys opinion that he could've been as good as Ronaldo if he had Ronaldo's dedication.
 
Sam would know the Rooney fan club well considering he's a founder. Gone from a rather sad infatuation with him to a hatred and bitterness befitting of a hysterical teenage girl.
 
Dominos said:
It's a nothing story, it doesn't even claim that he's lazy, or doesn't put an acceptable amount of work in, just one guys opinion that he could've been as good as Ronaldo if he had Ronaldo's dedication.
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If somebody did claim that he was lazy on occasion, doesn't put in an acceptable amount of effort toward his conditioning throughout the season, and could have been better if not for his attitude, would you argue strongly against any of those points?
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
If somebody did claim that he was lazy on occasion, doesn't put in an acceptable amount of effort toward his conditioning throughout the season, and could have been better if not for his attitude, would you argue strongly against any of those points?
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It's difficult because I don't know him or what he does in training, how would I have any knowledge his conditioning? I'm not present at his fitness tests and as far as I'm aware no one on the caf is either. I can't subscribe to the now-popular belief that after years of being lauded for being incredibly hard working and unselfish on the pitch, he now visibly can't be arsed doing the work during games. Ultimately as long as he's still a good player then I wont be oppose to him being here..

Clearly his dedication has been good enough for Fergie to keep him round for a decade and for him to become our 4th top goalscorer of all time, and for him to finish a season with 34 goals just 12 months ago.
 
People on twitter are saying that tomorrow's Mirror will report a £20m bid from Arsenal for Wayne Rooney.
 
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