Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Rodney?
He is a bit of Rodney
Sport are already backtracking from their front cover - "Thiago/Rooney Swap" - to saying that Moyes wants to keep Rooney, "at all costs." So that headline didn't even survive the morning.
Mundo Deportivo say that Barca have, "discounted signing Rooney," according to their headline, but when you read the article it just says that a new centre back remains the priority, and then lists the gossip from The Sun. Such are the joys of multinational muppet re-translation.
Mundo Deportivo say that Barca have, "discounted signing Rooney," according to their headline, but when you read the article it just says that a new centre back remains the priority, and then lists the gossip from The Sun. Such are the joys of multinational muppet re-translation.
Coincidentally, there was an episode of Only Fools and Horses in which Del gave Rodney an identity bracelet with the name 'Rooney' on it.
Genuinely thought there was some wonderkid named Rodney now that we were linked with 
With Tevez leaving City.... dare I say it?
When did Rodney hand in a transfer request?!
I wouldn't be shocked if they tried to perhaps approach us as Rooney would be a fantastic signing for them, but even for good money I just can't see us selling Rooney to City, not in Moyes first season anyway and generally not at all unless the fee was astronomical.
Rodney is Peter Crouch. I thought we'd all agreed this by now?
Nowadays wages have more of a bearing on a player's quality than transfer fee's. Signing Rooney on a 5 year deal would cost between £50-65m, with a £25m fee on top and you are looking a £75-90m.
I mean for example lets look at theoretically the Ronaldo transfer. Madrid pay £80m for Ronaldo and apparently around £8m per season. Lets say he leaves this Summer for £60m. The cost of this transfer to Madrid would be £44m for 3 seasons service for a truly exceptional player (c.£15m a season). Say Rooney over a 5 year period ends up being sold as a 32 year old for £15m - the cost of Rooney per season is somewhere between £12m and £15m. Very similar to the cost of Ronaldo, who everyone would agree is a far, far superior player. You could equally apply that formula to Bale - why would anyone pay more than £25m for Rooney with his wages when a better investment would more than likely be Bale for triple the fee and resale value.
Obviously this is going on reported wages but given Rooney's age and wages a £25m transfer fee is about right.
All that's fine but what wages he earns at his new club has nothing to do with us. We'd be stupid to sell him for anything less than 30m and even that's cheap considering some of the transfer prices
Of course it has something to do with us. It got something to do with how much the market is willing to pay for Rooney, ergo it affects how much we're going to get from him if we decide to get rid.
It affects us because it inherently affects his market value (if he was a 17 year old on 20k a week we'd be looking for £80m) but it also affects us because of the net saving of not having him here.
We sell him for £25m and for the next 2 years not having him is worth £45-50m. If you go one step further and say the options are a 3 year extension (we aren't going to let him run down his deal) vs selling him for £25m and the cost of Rooney for 5 years is £75-85m.
For £75-85m there is a lot of talent out there.
Rooney isn't we can say what we want about him but he is at worst the team's second best player and one of our 3 or 4 genuine consistent matchwinners. Keane was past it then in all honesty he was in his 30's prime Keane would have gotten away with those comments. In all honesty Rooney has said nothing either time he has attempted to handle his business behind closed doors and it has been Sir Alex who has brought the situation to the press. Very clever of him imo he knows how to play the game. He mentioned Ruud did it we never heard about it and i'm sure players have done the same thing before. My only point was fans are a fickle bunch but I guess we already know this.
Rooney quite blatantly leaks his bullshit out through the press and forces Fergie to bring it into the open. You think Fergie decides to uncharacteristically throw everything into the public forum when it comes to Rooney just for kicks?
There's a common denominator in Rooney's transfer drama: Rooney.
Your post put many things into perspective. I hope Moyes and the club take a long term view of this.
First time nobody knew about it and this time there was rumblings I'll admit that nothing proven. Ferguson can deny if he wants as he has done in the past he chooses not to.
If Rooney leaves United this summer it will be because he wants to leave not because we want to sell. There's absolutely reason why we should lower our transfer price just because the other club finds his wages exorbitant. With two years left in his contract the club is in a strong position so either Rooney agrees to a lower wage or the buying club agrees to our transfer price whilst agreeing to pay Rooney's wages. 25m is a ridiculous price for Rooney
The club want to keep Rooney by all accounts so how much we save by selling him is irrelevant.
Last time he publicly came out and started slamming United for not being 'competitive enough' and threatening to leave (with City widely touted at the time) to get more money, a fine example of how to leverage a media shit storm to get what you want. This time he's thrown another tantrum over not being the star of the show and Ferguson's hung him out to dry, good fecking on him.
Sir Alex was the one who went to the press first are you being serious then Rooney reacted he had to come out AFTER what Sir Alex said. Then he gave his reasons he tried to handle it behind closed doors obviously Sir Alex knew his reasons where bs so he made it public knowledge. This time it was Fergie again he did not speak and he still has not.
If the club want to keep Rooney he won't leave - obviously because no-one that Rooney would join would pay £40-50m and his wages (barring maybe Chelsea who I doubt we'd sell to).
This is contrary to all the "smoke" however about him joining other clubs. My view is that United want to sell but at the right price (£25m+), obviously they are not going to tell the world he's up for sale because this would cause a Nani like situation of stupid offers like £10m. I believe United feel Rooney is not worth £80m over the next 5 years. How much we save is very much relevant because it dictates how much cash it free's up.
Question: Would you trade Rooney for Bale? Because their cost per season is very similar. The transfer fee is irrelevant - I personally would trade Rooney for Bale.
If Sir Alex, who's renowned for supporting his players & for constantly endeavouring to keep things 'in-house', has thrown the Rooney situation into the public spotlight then I imagine SAF feels he has very sound & justifiable reasons for doing so.
Are you trying to say the shit storms we've had with Rooney the last few years have been Fergies fault?
That or he's retiring and the rebellious old fecker doesn't give two shits anymore
I can't think of a manager who was as determined to leave his successor in a healthy situation as SAF.
That or he's retiring and the rebellious old fecker doesn't give two shits anymore
There could be a number of potential reasons, chiefo. My crappy guess is that he's exasperated & disappointed with Wayne, having supported him the first time the player considered leaving United.
Nope just correcting you if your going to give information make sure it is correct and in context. What I wrote is what actually happened.
Your talking out of your arse is what you're doing. Making out like Rooney's the victim, please.
No I didn't there is no victim in this situation. You are ready to twist facts to make Rooney look worst than he is i'm not. Like I said I have no problem if he stays as long as he is committed to the club and is looking to get back to his best.
Rooney doesn't need my help to look like a tosser at the moment, believe me. Whether you want him to stay or not is your prerogative, but lets not play the victim card here.
Like I said there is no victim what I have said is what happened if you feel that makes Rooney the victim that's on you I personally don't.
Round and round in circles we go, Rodney is or is not a money grabbing whore, not fat, or fat, not very good, or the dog's old bollocks - but is he really worth a shiteload of money in wages (not yer money, muppet, but that won't stop ya from being duly concerned on behalf of uncle Malc)...and so on and so forth.
Look, thing is, Rodney is a good player, believe it or not. He'll come in handy. If Moyes has no problem keeping the fecker on our books (you know, personal matters or whatever) then I have no problem with it either. What we might conceivably save per annum by selling him is...well, it's a matter of fecking book keeping which I refuse to get involved in. We could save millions by selling all our best players, then we could use the money we've saved to buy all sorts of other players, potentially just as good, it's a cracking idea, certainly.
The modern football fan's obsession with money (not in a sheer muppet sense, which I can stand, sort of, but in a fecking accountant kind of sense) is staggering.
Look, thing is, Rodney is a good player, believe it or not. He'll come in handy. If Moyes has no problem keeping the fecker on our books (you know, personal matters or whatever) then I have no problem with it either. What we might conceivably save per annum by selling him is...well, it's a matter of fecking book keeping which I refuse to get involved in. We could save millions by selling all our best players, then we could use the money we've saved to buy all sorts of other players, potentially just as good, it's a cracking idea, certainly.
The modern football fan's obsession with money (not in a sheer muppet sense, which I can stand, sort of, but in a fecking accountant kind of sense) is staggering.
Only thing I will say is players like Rooney pay for themselves hence why I'm not fussed about how much he makes etc. Good players cost money. I agree that if the manager sees it fit to keep him then I am fine. Fans are cursing him like he is evil OTT for me. He is a professional in a career with a short shelf life he has to do what he feels is best for himself as all pro's have done over the years.
Are people still trying to make out that Rooney's a poor soul who's been treated unfairly and has done nothing wrong?
If so, how embarrassing.
If so, how embarrassing.
It's quite rawkish at times.
Yes, that is certainly embarrassing. I don't see too much of that around, however. Maybe I'm just biased but I see plenty of people venting their spleen regarding a player they don't really care for - coming up with rationalizations, as I believe they're called, some of which are outlandish enough.
He's a hate-able player, that has become clear in the past few seasons. It's fair enough, the way of the world, the incredible fickleness of fans, call it what you will. He's acted like a cnut - yes. I too would say he has acted like a cnut, in a general sort of way. But he hasn't acted MORE like a cnut than many others in the modern game. And he has been with us for a long time, contributing plenty to our success. And he can continue doing just that under Moyes, if the latter wants him around. That's all that matters to me. If he had pissed on Sir Matt's statue I would understand the hatred - as it stands, I don't quite get it, given today's standards of "loyalty" in football. And the argument that we could save a bob by selling him is just plain silly. It applies to any player. And nobody here knows the details. How much does he earn - how much is he, actually, worth to the club in terms of various agreements, sponsorships and feck knows what? We don't know. Some people like to pretend they do, but they bloody well don't.
Rodney wouldn't even start for barca.
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