You sound like his mum or something. 'Our Wayne could play for any club in the world like, I'm tellin ya, if he accepted minimum wage then he'd be at Barcelona now. They just can't afford him'
Our Wayne be too good for them other clubs
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Our Wayne be too good for them other clubs
No your right, I'm sure they're all desperate to sign him secretly
I suppose expecting you to justify your statement was asking a little too much...
I disagree with pretty much everything you have said about Rooney so we'll leave it there.
Yep it will be interesting to see how Moyes views it. It's hard even to attempt to predict either way what he will do. He acted quickly with Rio, and you would think he must have at least an idea by now how he is feeling about Rooney's situation. If Roo is not in Moyes plans it will surely be hard to envisage us having a £200k player on the bench and still signing another. I hope we keep Nani tbh, he has never whinged or asked to leave when he has not been in, and i feel only his inconsistency is holding him back. If Moyes can sort that out, we could have ourselves a really top player.
In contrast i feel Rooney wants to go in my view. Poor advice or not he is not a fool, he will have been well aware after last time what manner of adverse reaction he would receive from a second request to leave. I think he will find it hard to recapture his best form while receiving a probable negative reaction from some fans. That is my only issue if he stays. He is similar to Nani and Anderson, in that recently he has struggled to produce his best under SAF, but it is now a clean slate under a different manager and presumably different conditions.
Roll on july 1st when we should start to get some idea of how it's all going to play out.
He does struggle under pressure. But if he stays it will be because he wants to and he is committed. He is too good to not play if he is here and his presence would be ditracting and Moyes does not need to be fielding Rooney questions every week. They have a touchy past also but football wise his quality is hard to match and losinh him and Nani in the same summer would be a big blow.
What's to justify?
No top clubs interested in Rooney
I'm basically saying he's not worth his wage?
Well being 4th on United's all time goalscorer list is good enough for me to know that Rooney's a top players.
A few have said this is Rooney's worst season for United for a while - that's probably true, but he still managed to bag a number of goals and assists.
Rooney's "off" seasons are ones that most players would love to have. Even if Rooney leaves United an ugly way, I'll honestly say that I'd prefer to have him than Falcao, Suarez, Cavani or Lewandowski.
Bar Suarez possibly, I can't see any of them pulling the type of pass Rooney played to RVP against Aston Villa. Rooney is a bit of an idiot, but in football terms he is one smart bastard. Lewandowski, Cavani and Falcao may be clinical goalscorers, but the number of goals Rooney has scored for United despite rarely playing in the #9 role is exceptional - especially considering he was hiding in Ronaldo's shadow for a few years.
I wonder that if this Rooney saga didn't crop up this Summer, I doubt many people on this forum would say that they'd prefer those 4 names to Rooney. People's hatred for him is clouding their football judgement. I'm not saying Rooney would top everyone's list, but to come last? No chance.
I just hope that Rooney won't decide not to stay just because he's fearing the backlash he'd receive from some fans.
I don't think Rooney cares much at all what the fans think so I wouldn't worry about that.
Maybe harsh, but probably very true - 2010 seems to testify.
Who said he wasn't. That is a group of top players only Zlatan, Van Persie and maybe Aguero are missing from that list. His goals are a 10 year achievment though that has no bearing on how good he is RIGHT NOW. We are not discussing 'off seasons' we are discussing who managers would want RIGHT NOW. He would be last on that list. Cavani and Falcao have been good for years. Lewandowski for me is not better than Rooney yet but I would rather sign him and as a player with Suarez it is a toss up. The saga takes NOTHING away from his as a player I am one of those who has never said he should eff off etc etc always if he is dedicated he should stay simple. They are all younger as/more prolific and coming off better seasons why would it be hard to imagine him last?
Are you being serious? I honestly can't tell.
This is from a man who just last year gave an apology to the fans, saying it was the biggest mistake of his life to put in a transfer request. He finished his apology by saying he would like to retire here, and spend the next 10 years as a United player. Just 10 months later we are talking about his second transfer request, making his apology and further commitment speech even more retarded. I think it's pretty safe to say he isn't making decisions to stay or go based on what the fans think...
It's the backlash from the fans that's driving him out in the first place, that and the treatment he's had from the FA and media. He loves United.
Nice to see Zen still contributing loads to the thread with 300 posts of hilarious gold. Had to pick the baton up after Sparky got told to behave I suppose. Side splitting stuff
I think it's becoming more obvious Rooney will stay now. Nobody in England is going to pay the money required to weaken us so much and the other big clubs can't really afford him. He's not in the stage of his career where £35m makes sense to anyone. He's worth more here than he is at most clubs and I hope he sits down with Moyes and sorts out whatever he's moaning about. We will desperately need him and his versatility this year with the loss of Nani. Young and Valencia are being a bit shit and Kagawa still bedding in from such a different style of attacking football
I think it's becoming more obvious Rooney will stay now. Nobody in England is going to pay the money required to weaken us so much and the other big clubs can't really afford him. He's not in the stage of his career where £35m makes sense to anyone. He's worth more here than he is at most clubs and I hope he sits down with Moyes and sorts out whatever he's moaning about. We will desperately need him and his versatility this year with the loss of Nani. Young and Valencia are being a bit shit and Kagawa still bedding in from such a different style of attacking football
Still trotting this one out are we?
Would it weaken us? Yes, a bit. So much? Nope, sorry. Hernandez if given the playing time Rooney gets is MORE than capable of equaling or bettering Rooneys goal totals, Kagawa is more than capable given the playing time rooney gets of equaling his assists. Rooney is a quality player but this fallacy that we are going to be so much worse off without him is just crazy. How is replacing a very good footballer who, lets face it no one, including the greatest manager ever can agree on his best position with two specialists, a specialist goal scorer and a specialist AM going to make such a MASSIVE difference? As for desperately need him to stay........Im sure the rest of the squad would find your faith in their abilities touching.
Right, so it takes 2 players to make up for what Rooney can bring to us? And you only think it would weaken us a bit? Honestly that whole post is so over the top I can't even comprehend it. Anybody with an ounce of sense would know Rooney leaving us would leave us weakened both quality and experience wise. We'd be going into huge knockout games in the champions league without him. Of course it's possible, but if you engage your brain, forget about your hatred for his accent or whatever and you should realise what we'd be losing.
If you think that we'd either replace him with another star, or Hernandez is suddenly going to become a much better player then fair enough. History tells us otherwise though. It would make more sense if we got Ronaldo or Bale, but that is highly unlikely.
And yes, I bet the rest of the squad want him to stay badly as well, I don't think they'd start blubbering if I suggested he's needed either. They're adults.
If you think that we'd either replace him with another star, or Hernandez is suddenly going to become a much better player then fair enough. History tells us otherwise though. It would make more sense if we got Ronaldo or Bale, but that is highly unlikely.
And yes, I bet the rest of the squad want him to stay badly as well, I don't think they'd start blubbering if I suggested he's needed either. They're adults.
Actually I think both of those, the chances are that if he goes we WILL bring in a quality addition to the squad, and given a starting role and some faith Hernandez would show more than we have so far seen, he was already beginning to do so last season, and Ill certainly agree it would weaken us a great deal when talking about experience. As for actual on the pitch ability, not so much. Cast your mind back to that winter after Rooneys last little tantrum, when Berbs carried us magnificently through that spell on his way to winning a league medal and the golden boot, replace Berbatov with RvP and you seriously think we are going to fall to bits? And Im not saying he isn't needed, I'm saying and I think the squad would agree that for you to suggest loosing him would be a massive problem that suggests you think we are a one man team, and yeah I think they would be a bit pissed at that insinuation. See, I get accused of Bias alot, but whereas I can see he is a very good player and with the right attitude could have a vital role to play, a few select posters seem unable to see any other scenario than Rooney going and us falling apart....its laughable.
Well that's just bollocks isn't it? Nobody has suggested we would fall apart but in the short term it would create a big problem for us. And it's not very often we replace proven quality with anything other than potential, which we have plenty of. So logic would tell us we aren't going to spunk X amount on a big money replacement unless you can name a bunch of other times we've bought like for like replacements?
If we lost Rooney and didn't spend some serious money on upgrading parts of the squad (CM, Wide men) then I can't see us winning the league next year while competing in 4 competitions. I also think Berbatov's contribution was timely but overstated, we probably shouldn't dig that up again though..
If we lost Rooney and didn't spend some serious money on upgrading parts of the squad (CM, Wide men) then I can't see us winning the league next year while competing in 4 competitions. I also think Berbatov's contribution was timely but overstated, we probably shouldn't dig that up again though..
Wayne Rooney has to be the most difficult player Man United fans have trouble objectively describing..I see words such as, "exceptional", "sluggish" "world class" "average overall play" "excellent link up play" "inconsistent" "low bottom level" "world class on form" "disloyal cnut" "mature" "hiding in ronaldo's shadow" .....you lot really confuse me.
If he leaves this summer, the "debate" will only intensify.
.....you lot really confuse me.If he leaves this summer, the "debate" will only intensify.
Rooney will remain a United man for the next several seasons.
Going into a World Cup year, Rooney will begin the season fit and in form.
Rooney will go through one of his dry spells come October, perhaps November if we're lucky.
Rooney will learn to get along as a main man, not the man.
Rooney will lift the English prem trophy once again. Any other trophies would be a matter of pure speculation.
Any questions?
Going into a World Cup year, Rooney will begin the season fit and in form.
Rooney will go through one of his dry spells come October, perhaps November if we're lucky.
Rooney will learn to get along as a main man, not the man.
Rooney will lift the English prem trophy once again. Any other trophies would be a matter of pure speculation.
Any questions?
Yes - what happens if he doesn't start enough games for his liking and asks to leave again? Or thinks the club doesn't have enough ambition, and asks to leave again?
Sell him
Sell him
God almighty have we not sold this feck yet? Get rid and be done with it already. If we keep him then the odds are on that he makes another transfer request about a year and a half on from now.
We're waiting to make a few signings first before we sell him. By the time Thiago and Ronaldo are in the bag, even wr8 won't give a feck about Rooney.
Which part is bollocks? You use words like Massive difference and weaken us so much, I would suggest you are as prone to exaggerating about Rooney in one direction as I am in the other......
As for having two players to replace him, I genuinely dont see that as such a bad thing, two players perfectly adapted to the positions they would play in plus the central midfield reinforcements we all keep hoping for, plus a world class RvP and I dont see us struggling in the slightest.
well, to be honest what he said was "Nobody has suggested we would fall apart but in the short term it would create a big problem for us." which is true. The situation isn't like the one 2 years ago because our squad is noticably stronger, but we would still be significantly weaker. There's just no way of "effectively" replacing one player by needing 2 players to do his job.
The part about having a world class striker in RvP and incoming midfield reinforcements have absolutely nothing to do with Rooney staying or going, so there's just no way we'd be better off football wise.
It's not like losing Ronaldo, but it's still nothing to look forward to unless like yourself you generaly can't stand the lad and that goes beyond football terms.
If I honestly thought he would be anywhere near his best for any length of time next season Id be all for him staying regardless of what I think of him. I genuinely believe we can be as successful without him and his attitude.
And RvP/Hernandez/Kagawa and midfield reinforcements are relevant to him staying or going, as I believe that Hernandez will continue to develop into more than just a poacher, as he already started to show last season, RvP Is one of the best forwards in the game and Kagawa has the ability to replace rooneys creativity. Given that imo those three can negate there being any major impact from not having him, and also assuming that we used to money to strengthen the weaker areas of our team I fail to see who selling him would be better than keeping him.
I think the point being made is that if you replace the goals Rooney will get you with Hernandez, and you replace his creativity with Kagawa then you're basically putting 2 players into a side to give you what Rooney gives, therefore you have to take someone else out to make room as neither of them replace him completely by themselves. By doing so you're lessening your attacking options that can be on the field all at once.
Don't get me wrong, I rate both those players highly and want to see them feature more often, but Rooney leaving will definitely weaken us, which will be more noticeable if he goes to Chelsea and strengthens them.
We could do without his attitude I'll give you that much, but that's about it.
There's no reason why we shouldn't expect an obvious improvement from him in regards to last season (and even this past "terrible" season he was contributing more than most), and like I said needing 2 players to replace the contributions of 1 isn't exactly as positive, even if said players (Hernandez, Kagawa) would get more playing time.
What you fail to understand I think is that if we sell Rooney for let's say 30-35 million, we won't be using those 30-35 million dirrectly on a deal to bring another top player in. We already need enforcements in the middle of the pitch and if all of these rumours and links are anything to by we're already on the lookout for midfield targets to say the least, meaning they'll be brought here with or without the Rooney money, and I doubt with all of the commercial deals etc in place that we'd need to sell Rooney to get Bale or Ronaldo for example (not that that's likely to happen in the first place).
I'm not saying you don't have a point, you made it clear, I just don't agree with it because our expectations from Rooney differ so much that it's almost impossible in this case for us to come to an agreement on this particular subject.
Very true, yet its still a pleasure to debate with you sir.
If we sign Thiago, we may well be heading towards a brand of football that the Rooney of the last two years doesn't fit into. Kagawa, Thiago, Van Persie...making Rooney the focal point of all this could hinder something beautiful. Having that much technical ability and quality through central areas only to stick Rooney in the centre of it would be a questionable move.
I rate Rooney at the height of his game more than most but he becomes a threat to a potentially wonderful style of football playing behind the front man in this situation. Although a part of me thinks Rooney is still the best attacking player we have when he's at the top of his game, another says we cannot move on whilst Rooney is still with us. If our winger situation doesn't improve, I don't think we can persist with Rooney in the centre and hope to reach our full potential. Not unless his consistency improves wildly at least.
Ah, and before anyone mentions it, the goals/assists aspect is irrelevant to this point! All this stuff about 'yeah, he can't trap a bag of cement but he's scored x goals and y assists' is reductive and insufficient. It's why anyone would have Iniesta over Rooney even if he was only a fifth as productive.
I rate Rooney at the height of his game more than most but he becomes a threat to a potentially wonderful style of football playing behind the front man in this situation. Although a part of me thinks Rooney is still the best attacking player we have when he's at the top of his game, another says we cannot move on whilst Rooney is still with us. If our winger situation doesn't improve, I don't think we can persist with Rooney in the centre and hope to reach our full potential. Not unless his consistency improves wildly at least.
Ah, and before anyone mentions it, the goals/assists aspect is irrelevant to this point! All this stuff about 'yeah, he can't trap a bag of cement but he's scored x goals and y assists' is reductive and insufficient. It's why anyone would have Iniesta over Rooney even if he was only a fifth as productive.
Definitely. As has been proven over the last nine years Rooney's technique is questionable at best and lovely one touch passing is something he is clearly incapable of. Our quality of play suffers when he is in the team as well so I think it would be best for both parties if he moved onto Arsenal.
Rooney at the top of his game is easily good enough.
Once again, there's the caveat "at the top of his game". Getting really tiresome now. Wouldn't be surprised if he left.
Well swap top of his game with 'fully fit' and it still sounds true.
We'll be fine if he leaves.
We'll be fine if he stays.
I think that sums it up
We'll be fine if he stays.
I think that sums it up
No doubt, but we've seen that about 5-8 times in two years. That's being generous in a sense also, because I'm tempted to say Rooney at his very, very best - that is, his 05/06 or 10/11 best - has only turned up for the 4-4 Everton game (11/12) and 1 or 2 others that I can't remember off the top of my head. He had a spell whereby he looked in the mood right after his injury earlier on last season but it wasn't quite at that level.
It's not enough to justify potentially wrecking something that could be amazing, basically. Knowing our luck though, we'll sell him, Van Persie will get injured and our other strikers will fail to compensate for his loss. That's when we could really do with Rooney. I don't see him as being that well suited at the moment to playing in the hole, but there's probably not much between him and Van Persie as front men. Playing Rooney as the player furthest forward takes away all the weaknesses that hold both him and the team back.
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