Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Rooney has yet to do anything on a par with repeatedly and publicly trying to force his way out of the club, getting banned for 8 months for assaulting a fan and then repeatedly trying to feck off or, well, the entire book's worth of shit Best did. The point is that those players are still absolutely adored, and Rooney is widely despised. What's that all about?

Firstly, many fans still have an issue with both Ronaldo and Rio so it is not true that they are still absolutely adored. However, being professional and putting in top class performances on the pitch does help fans to forget.

In any case, to me and many others, Rooney's antics reflected far worse on the club than anything Ronaldo or Rio did PLUS his performances on the field have not been good enough to make up for it, that is the vital difference that you seem not to get.
 
Lets just cut to the bone shall we, everyone has finally realised im right and brilliant and wants to be just like me :lol:

:lol:

In other news...it's a bit sad for everyone concerned that even Newcastle fans claim they don't want Rooney, it seems.
 
Firstly, many fans still have an issue with both Ronaldo and Rio so it is not true that they are still absolutely adored. However, being professional and putting in top class performances on the pitch does help fans to forget.

In any case, to me and many others, Rooney's antics reflected far worse on the club than anything Ronaldo or Rio did PLUS his performances on the field have not been good enough to make up for it, that is the vital difference that you seem not to get.

Jesus, were you in a coma during 2008/09? Ronaldo was far more petulant, lazy and disinterested that season than Rooney could ever dream of being.
 
Leave our goalkeeper alone, he's one of us!

And you leave our CHABON alone, can you imagine how hard it must be coming out on here, admitting you are attracted to men with arse hair and having people like YOU picking on him.......Knock it off!
 
Jesus, were you in a coma during 2008/09? Ronaldo was far more petulant, lazy and disinterested that season than Rooney could ever dream of being.

Very true. People conveniently forgot Ronaldo's histrionics because we couldn't get going without him and we needed him to win matches.

Although he was not at his best, he kept scoring crucial goals and this considerably eased the relationship with fans. To suggest that Rooney's desire to leave the club is considerably worse than Ronaldo's actions is clutching straws.
 
Jesus, were you in a coma during 2008/09? Ronaldo was far more petulant, lazy and disinterested that season than Rooney could ever dream of being.

Well I dont agree, but that is only part of the issue anyway. As I said, I feel that Rooney's actions (publicly shaming the club) reflected far worse on the club than anything the others have done.

The only one that comes close is Keane (when he slagged off the team on TV) and he was kicked out of the club immediately. So really Rooney should count himself lucky he is still here, and the reason is that in 2010 he was at the top of his game but that is not the case in 2013.
 
Heard a rumour that Newcastle are preparing a bid.

now that'd be a poor move for him
 
:lol::lol:

Well it was Newcastle's initial bid that forced our hand when we signed him. The rumour is that Cisse is going Dortmund too. So, if they get roughly £15million for him, and slap another £20million in they can have Rooney. It'd be the best move for all parties, except Rooney.
 
:lol::lol:

Well it was Newcastle's initial bid that forced our hand when we signed him. The rumour is that Cisse is going Dortmund too. So, if they get roughly £15million for him, and slap another £20million in they can have Rooney. It'd be the best move for all parties, except Rooney.

feck it, Id take £15 million just to see the look on his face when he realises they are the only club that wants him :lol::lol::lol:
 
It would be hilarious if we sold him to Newcastle, serve him right.
 
He also asked not to play against Swansea because he wanted a move. At this stage of his career we either cash in now, get about half the fee next year or lose him for free after. Either that or we give him a new contract, which he doesn't deserve. He's unlikely to last into his 30s with his lifestyle and physique so we'll cash in without doubt.
 
Jesus, were you in a coma during 2008/09? Ronaldo was far more petulant, lazy and disinterested that season than Rooney could ever dream of being.

It's Ronaldo. He can do no wrong in the eyes of his fans on here and all over the world. Public transfer requests, ruining the 08 summer with his constant nonsense, slavery, disinterested attitude etc. It's all fine because he's a pretty boy and not Rooney.
 
No one apart from Newcastle wants him...he's going to stay :D

Still think Chelsea will be sniffing around.

But it does look like Newcastle will be the only team we'll be prepared to sell to.

This could end up being a massive slap in the face for Rooney. The plonker.
 
It's a bit convenient for pro-Rooney posters to put it all down to old rancour, and compare Wayne's misbehaviour to that of past greats like Ronaldo, Cantona and even Best. Instead, some of us are pissed off at Rooney primarily because he's strolled through too many games. Who knows, maybe our perception of his efforts is wrong but that's how it appears. I don't hate him, and I don't necessarily want him gone - I want him to regain his enthusiasm for being a United player, and I want him to be happy to represent the club; sadly, I don't hold out much hope for either.

You think Ronaldo didn't stroll through games in 08/09? I'd be mightily surprised if Best didn't stroll through a fair few games too. Some players lose a bit of enthusiasm in their mid-20s as priorities change and they start thinking about their future and where they want to be in their thirties. We can't expect players to be robots and shut out all doubts and emotions that derive from these doubts. Sometimes their performances will drop because of off-field matters.

The same criticisms of a lack of enthusiasm were thrown at Giggs and similarly harsh criticisms over his form cropped up at the same time. It's ridiculous that we're talking about Giggs in 02/03 being in poor form or Rooney a decade later being in poor form when they both got into double figures for both goals and assists. People don't appreciate how few players do that in any one season, IMO. Players like Rooney and Giggs are taken for granted. If Rooney wants to leave because of that then I don't blame him to be honest. Few players react as positively as Giggs did.

It's completely bemusing to me why no-one picks up on the similarities with Evra's situation. He wanted to leave in 2010, had two below-par seasons following that (including countless examples of seriously lazy defending) and yet no-one associates that lack of form or lazy, complacent play with him wanting away. It's just him playing poorly.
 
Still think Chelsea will be sniffing around.

But it does look like Newcastle will be the only team we'll be prepared to sell to.

This could end up being a massive slap in the face for Rooney. The plonker.

They can sniff around all they want, I really can't see us selling to Chelsea or City so his options are pretty limited. He's going to end up staying imo.
 
They can sniff around all they want, I really can't see us selling to Chelsea or City so his options are pretty limited. He's going to end up staying imo.

Yeah, agreed.

Don't expect many to forgive him this time round...

Mind you, such is the fickle nature of football fans, score a few against City and he'll be fine...
 
Pardon me but what the hell has any of this actually got to do with Ronaldo, why is he being brought up every other page?
 
Jesus, were you in a coma during 2008/09? Ronaldo was far more petulant, lazy and disinterested that season than Rooney could ever dream of being.

Why the need to defend Rooney by comparing him to Ronaldo? Ronaldo was always lazy in a defensive sense but I've seen few players work harder at getting goals than Ronaldo. If he was as lazy and disinterested as you suggest then it just further illustrates the gap between the two players and why people may be more forgiving of Ronaldo as in that season he was still head and shoulders above Rooney.
 
It's completely bemusing to me why no-one picks up on the similarities with Evra's situation. He wanted to leave in 2010, had two below-par seasons following that (including countless examples of seriously lazy defending) and yet no-one associates that lack of form or lazy, complacent play with him wanting away. It's just him playing poorly.

Well, maybe it's because Evra is the lesser talent & so, fans don't really expect stellar performances from him. I don't doubt that much of the antipathy towards Rooney stems from disappointment regarding what was perceived to be his potential.
 
Pardon me but what the hell has any of this actually got to do with Ronaldo, why is he being brought up every other page?

Because when asked to explain or even justify the anger and bile thrown at Rooney, the arguments used to tend to imply that they should also hate about half a dozen other players, prominently including Ronaldo. And yet they don't...
 
Pardon me but what the hell has any of this actually got to do with Ronaldo, why is he being brought up every other page?

Fans having favourites & being hypocritical is hardly news. Nevertheless, it's RAWK logic: 'Suarez gets banned; why didn't Aguero?!?'
 
Vidic wanted to leave too, allegedly, remember?

I think it's a number of things with Rooney that differs the situation from others.

He's English, for one. And you never expect an English player to want to leave, especially when he's from up the road.

He's an attacking player, fans will always hold more interest in attacking players over defensive players. These are the match winners.

He's initial request dragged the club through the mud a bit.
 
You think Ronaldo didn't stroll through games in 08/09? I'd be mightily surprised if Best didn't stroll through a fair few games too. Some players lose a bit of enthusiasm in their mid-20s as priorities change and they start thinking about their future and where they want to be in their thirties. We can't expect players to be robots and shut out all doubts and emotions that derive from these doubts. Sometimes their performances will drop because of off-field matters.

The same criticisms of a lack of enthusiasm were thrown at Giggs and similarly harsh criticisms over his form cropped up at the same time. It's ridiculous that we're talking about Giggs in 02/03 being in poor form or Rooney a decade later being in poor form when they both got into double figures for both goals and assists. People don't appreciate how few players do that in any one season, IMO. Players like Rooney and Giggs are taken for granted. If Rooney wants to leave because of that then I don't blame him to be honest. Few players react as positively as Giggs did.

It's completely bemusing to me why no-one picks up on the similarities with Evra's situation. He wanted to leave in 2010, had two below-par seasons following that (including countless examples of seriously lazy defending) and yet no-one associates that lack of form or lazy, complacent play with him wanting away. It's just him playing poorly.

I suppose when you are on the money they are on, yes we do expect that of them...
 
Rooney's attitude in some of the recent games was far worse than anything I'v seen from any of our other players who had 'doubts' about thier future at the club.
 
Vidic wanted to leave too, allegedly, remember?

I think it's a number of things with Rooney that differs the situation from others.

He's English, for one. And you never expect an English player to want to leave, especially when he's from up the road.

He's an attacking player, fans will always hold more interest in attacking players over defensive players. These are the match winners.

He's initial request dragged the club through the mud a bit.

There's also the implied insult from the first time 'round: that Wayne thinks other English teams are & will be superior to United. That wasn't the case with other wantaway stars, even Ronaldo.
 
Well, maybe it's because Evra is the lesser talent & so, fans don't really expect stellar performances from him. I don't doubt that much of the antipathy towards Rooney stems from disappointment regarding what was perceived to be his potential.

And yet you don't sympathise with him in any way for that?

I suppose when you are on the money they are on, yes we do expect that of them...

You're setting yourself up for a lifetime of disappointment in football in that case.
 
There's also the implied insult from the first time 'round: that Wayne thinks other English teams are & will be superior to United. That wasn't the case with other wantaway stars, even Ronaldo.

He was wrong then, and he'll be wrong now.

The way this is panning out could result in Wayne ending up with egg on his face, again.
 
And yet you don't sympathise with him in any way for that?

Hell, I've even sympathised with him over the idiotic abuse he receives, past and present. I don't actually want Rooney out - as I've made clear a number of times - but it's hard for fans to sympathise with the modern players' professional, clinical mindset; Rooney appears to want top-billing & payment when his form and attitude no longer match his 'brand', talent and past reputation.
 
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