Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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What makes you think he hasn't asked for a transfer? Paul Scholes said 'Rooney asked for a transfer'. That's good enough for me.
From who's perspective? It depends on the truth of it. If he genuinely wasn't, you could make a very strong claim the disrespect was entirely the other way.
It's disrespectful, and a self-serving lie to boot. At least when SAF bullshits the media it's in the interests of the club. How much longer are we supposed to indulge Rooney? Why should we put it all down to silliness, stupidity and immaturity? Sir Alex wants what's actually best for Wayne more than the man himself does...
The most stupid thing about that as I remember was that Sir Alex was partially trying to give that as a reason why Rooney's form was so shit and then Rooney denied it completely. That was honestly one of the things that made me the most angry during the whole situation.
Did I imagine him questioning the clubs future and it's signings in 2010? Could have sworn that was the accepted reason of the time 
This really is a vital point here as Rooney's big weakness is that he is mentally weak, whenever there are issues off the field it negatively impacts his performance on the pitch.
Of course, we do not know when any contract negotiations might have started between his agent and the club - but it is not unreasonable to think that they would have started talks several months ago (certainly by Xmas there must have been some initial talks) and it could well be one of the reasons he has not played so well recently.
The silly row over the injury was the first public sign of what had obviously been simmering in the background for a while in 2010 - it was all about his contract renewal and escalated from there. I suggest you go back and look at the history - Fergie did bring it all out to the open in a press conference and then Rooney (or his 'team') made statements questioning the ambitions of the club, to me that is a slap in the face for both Fergie and all his team mates at the time.
Why do you think he was forced to publicly apologise to all the fans and also privately to his team mates (see John O'Shea book)?
As I said before, I do not begrudge a player fighting for the best contract that he can get but for me Rooney went to far and crossed a line.
Rightly or wrongly, I will back the manager and the club over any individual player every single time. We really don't need this kind of circus everytime a player has to renegotiate a new contract.
No player is bigger than the club.
It was, I just couldn't remember what he said! I'd thought maybe Sir Alex was the one who said he questioned the club's ambition. Anyone got the quotes?
I suspect there was a bit of half-truth from both sides.
What would have happened if SAF didn't pick Rooney up, I reckon he'd be the same as Gascoigne.
Doesn't matter if SAF lied to the media. In public, he has to go along with whatever the manager says. He can voice all his concerns behind closed doors, just don't take on the manager/club publicly. It is a one sided, unfair arrangement, but that's the way it's always been.
Probably. Though I'm not sure I approve of his habit of telling players to marry young. Coming from a legendary man and a father-figure, that is going to be influential advice. But does he really know if they're right for each other, or does he just want them to settle down for the good of the club?
Rooney was what, 22 when he married that girl. Maybe he bones prostitutes from time to time because they're not temperamentally and sexually compatible.
It's not fair to use your position of power to influence kids to make big life decisions when you have a (partially) ulterior motive.
Fergie would never lie about a player being injured
When an Alex Ferguson tells me it's pasta on the plate I check under the sauce to make sure.
Fergie really did that?
He was a 22m investment which could have gone terribly wrong if kept to his own device. SAF did what was good for the club. That's why he was paid for.
Rooney should have had enough brains cells to acknowledge that SAF was Manchester United's manager and not his father.
Bet he regrets that fatherly chat with Becks...
That's an incredibly callous thing to say considering how one of the defining qualities players often cite about Fergie is how he acts like a father to them, and also how young a lot of these players are when they are signed.
Haven't they been together since they were 15? How often have you heard of that ending well...
Is it not possible part of Rooney not reaching his potential is down to him being used as some super luxury utility player nearly half the time, and probably more often than not in big games?
Not that I'm particularly aching to defend him, but one thing to his credit is that he's strangely selfless for a player of his talent, and it's kind of worked against him. He's ended up basically playing at fullback in some of our biggest games. I mean, good luck getting a Ronaldo or a Van persie to do that, AND not be completely shit at it.
I don't think him not reaching his potential often is all down to what goes on inside his weird looking head, although that certainly is part of what holds him back. Some of the reason is down to how we've used him though, I reckon.
That said, I'm still not sure what the wiser move is out of keeping or getting rid, and that's regardless of what he wants. If he did another u-turn and wanted to stay, there has to be some guarantee he's going to stop being a numpty, or at least stop the numptyness from descending into unprofessionalism. I'm not sure how you guarantee that from someone who even Sir Alex Ferguson was struggling to keep on board. I'm pretty sure the only reason Rooney appears less stupid than Tevez is because English isn't Tevez's first language.
Not that I'm particularly aching to defend him, but one thing to his credit is that he's strangely selfless for a player of his talent, and it's kind of worked against him. He's ended up basically playing at fullback in some of our biggest games. I mean, good luck getting a Ronaldo or a Van persie to do that, AND not be completely shit at it.
I don't think him not reaching his potential often is all down to what goes on inside his weird looking head, although that certainly is part of what holds him back. Some of the reason is down to how we've used him though, I reckon.
That said, I'm still not sure what the wiser move is out of keeping or getting rid, and that's regardless of what he wants. If he did another u-turn and wanted to stay, there has to be some guarantee he's going to stop being a numpty, or at least stop the numptyness from descending into unprofessionalism. I'm not sure how you guarantee that from someone who even Sir Alex Ferguson was struggling to keep on board. I'm pretty sure the only reason Rooney appears less stupid than Tevez is because English isn't Tevez's first language.
SAF did his very best with them. He went the extra mile, he cared for them, listen to them and gave them good career advice. However United were always 1st to him. Do you think that giving Keane the boot was beneficial to him? What about allowing Beckham to join the Spanish circus? Do you think that it was beneficial for him? Not to forget when he gave the free transfer to Parker, placed Jimmy Leighton in reserves or played Blomqvist in the CL final despite was injured (which ended up ruining the boy's career).
SAF was United's manager. That's was his job and United were central in everything he did. He was also a decent man which means he tried to help when he could. But dont think for 1 minute that he would place the footballer's interest ahead of United.
Jesus, this thread's on another level. Fergie manipulating and corrupting players into marriage
Surely he consented to this? I can't imagine any player of Jesper's stature who wouldn't have run through walls to start a CL final.
Poor bastard. Getting paid 250 a week and played out of position.
If you aren't being played in the position you desire, play better and dislodge the guy in front of you.
Or, get all fecked in your head.
I have some doubts whether those 60 minutes or whatever ruined his career... Must have been far more than that.
Anyonw, if Fergie was told that using Jesper in the final would cost him his career, he wouldn't have played.
What are you even on about?
Regarding the bolded part, you should ask Blomqvist himself how he feels about that. 'Ending his carreer', my arse.
devilish is spouting pure, undiluted arsegravy. Pay him no mind.
I do believe noodlehair has got a point. It has always been a little too easy to send Rooney to play in whatever position. OK, so he wasn't as good as Ronaldo, who'd never be wasted in a position that wasn't for him, whether it was a roaming winger or as center forward in the odd match. But he's still been a terrific player, the sort you wouldn't normally waste on a very rigid, out of position, role. In his first two CL final he started on the wing. He could do a job there but never to the fullest of his abilities.
There were also times we made Rooney the center forward, and then the following season he was back as a second striker. It can't be helpful for a player. It worked for us, but I'm sure he's lost something in all those transitions. Oh, you can say that if he was as good as he should have been it wouldn't have mattered, that big players can play everywhere, but every player is different. While we've got a lot out of Rooney, I do believe it should have been (and maybe will still be) more. Even if not quite on the standards of the white Pele.
There were also times we made Rooney the center forward, and then the following season he was back as a second striker. It can't be helpful for a player. It worked for us, but I'm sure he's lost something in all those transitions. Oh, you can say that if he was as good as he should have been it wouldn't have mattered, that big players can play everywhere, but every player is different. While we've got a lot out of Rooney, I do believe it should have been (and maybe will still be) more. Even if not quite on the standards of the white Pele.
No. Football is much more professional these days.
I dunno, it's not looking good since Sunday...
it probably is a contributing factor but I think the main issue is a mental one.
After all he has played very well both as a wide attacker and centre mid at certain times.
the part about Blomqvist is just pathetic. He injured his knee in Australia during preseason. In the past few days I´ve heard quite a few interviews with Jesper and he can´t stop telling everyone what a great manager SAF was. If he lies then please tell me the facts and from where you´ve heard them. As for Rooney he can feck off if he doesn´t want to be here. Scouse and showing it for the second time...
I'd like to hear that too.
I know for a fact Jesper Blomqvist regarded his time as a United player (and especially his involvement in the '99 European Cup final) as one of the highlights of his carreer. I also know he adored Sir Alex. I still want to so see devilish defend his case. He can't just spout shite like that and slink off into the shadows.
Facts on the table, devilish!
I dunno, it's not looking good since Sunday...
Looks like Gandalf junior. Look at the eyes, they're like McKellen's.
Exactly. The only reason that Rooney has been constantly moved around is because no-one has a bloody clue where his best position is. He isn't consistently one of the World's best "number 9's", he isn't consistently one of the World's best "number 10's" and he isn't one of the best wingers/central midfielders.
His talent says he should be up there with the top 5-10 players in the world, but wherever we play him he never seems to consistently hit these standards. His best 2 seasons for us have been in two different positions and arguably his most indifferent 2 seasons have likewise been in those exact two positions (as a "9" and a "10").
I remember a quote from Dr Cox (Scrubs) when one of the doctors says they can't separate their personal life from their professional life, and the former is causing problems in the latter "until you can, sort out your damn personal life". Unfortunately Rooney won't sort out his personal life which has caused him to lose form regularly and therefore be shifted around the pitch.
i think Ronaldo and RVP's on pitch performances dictated that the team be shaped around them. they played as to become the focal point of the attack
Rooney played that way for 3/4 of a season in 09/10... then for 1/3 of the season in 10/11 (the rest of the time he was woeful). In 11/12 he was the focal point of our attack for most of the season and had his most successful campaign statistically... but he went missing in key games that season (Basel away, Wigan away, City away) and got himself dropped vs Blackburn for stupid reasons.
yet for all of you who claim that Rooney is unselfish in the way he can be shifted out to the wing, or played out of position... i counter with the claim that he WANTS to be that focal point, the straw that stirs the drink... but he lacks the consistency of play, overall intelligence (which includes professionalism) and probably most importantly the lack of leadership to ever be thought of in this role the way we saw Cantona, RVN, Ronaldo, and now RVP... hell even Berbatov in the first half of the 10/11 showed the type of leadership Rooney often lacks.
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