Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Come new season, Rooney will score a belter against Liverpool and we'll sing 'The White Pele' as loudly as it has been ever sung. The joys of being a football supporter.
That's the truth , and why the only choices for him are domestic ,and i don't see the club letting him go to Citeh or renties.
You think? I think it appalling that he was booed at the trophy presentation AND in the trophy parade...NOT because fans booed, but how a player must have behaved to attract that kind of attention.
For me, it's time for him to go. Moyes should sanction a sale and give himself an easier introduction to the club instead of having to put up with crap like Rooney has caused.
Lets just say the papers don't have the slightest clue what Rooney is earning. Four different figures from the Guardian alone, not to mention the others:
It's very true that the relationship between fans and Rooney is at the lowest ebb now, but when Ronaldo was courting Real Madrid, he did much worse and the fans readily forgave him. I think it was because he played well for the team and fans will eventually come around if Rooney stays next season and performs well.
I don't think this is a big deal, and I think we lot are a bit fickle when it comes to supporting players
But if he is adamant he wants to go and nothing will change his mind, what else could we do.
Do we keep a player against his will, play him and he plays shit or do we just accept it and let him go.
Yes and no - I think most people could forgive him for having doubts once. But with our current situation and the fact that it's the second time, he will never be really popular again.
If he turns around and stays I will still cheer him on and be happy - but he will never be popular with me again.
I guess it's forget but not forgive!
But last time I was really sad when he asked to leave - this time I just don't care anymore. He just isn't as important anymore
He'll probably end up as another trophy signing at PSG. It would be interesting to see Ibra and Rooney together.
It's very true that the relationship between fans and Rooney is at the lowest ebb now, but when Ronaldo was courting Real Madrid, he did much worse and the fans readily forgave him. I think it was because he played well for the team and fans will eventually come around if Rooney stays next season and performs well.
I don't think this is a big deal, and I think we lot are a bit fickle when it comes to supporting players
For me, fickle doesn't apply. If he stays, he can have a good season and I will still view him disappointingly with effectively his second transfer request.
Don't get me wrong, I don't criticise him for wanting to go at all, because I think he won't get any better - in fact this season he has deteriorated.
That said, I think Moyes will chicken out and accommodate him, although feck knows how you can guarantee a player more playing time in his favoured position(s)...perhaps we should ask Chicharito how he feels about that?
I thought Ibra's off this summer?
I was put off too, by his first transfer request, but I don't see a second request being considerably worse than the Ronaldo histrionics, IMHO.
A lot of supporters let him off the last time he said he wanted to leave, when we lifted no19 he probably the biggest ovation but from looking at what happened on Sunday and the parade I think it's going to take more than an a goal against our rivals to win the supporters back.
On my way back from the parade I said to my Dad I wonder if there is an element of us wanting Rooney to sign a contract extension since there is two years left on his deal and that's routinely what we do. His agent leaking 'interest' from other clubs to try to get leverage in the negotiations. United leaking interest in other strikers (Falcao, Lewandowski etc..) to show Rooney we have other options if he doesn't sign, and now its gotten a bit out of hand?
The whole situation just seems silly. Most people can see that this is the best place for him. His wages are being used as a stick to beat him with but my earlier post shows nobody has a clue what he's earning. Guardian HQ can't even agree between themselves, ranging from £180k to nearly £300k.
The whole situation just seems silly. Most people can see that this is the best place for him. His wages are being used as a stick to beat him with but my earlier post shows nobody has a clue what he's earning. Guardian HQ can't even agree between themselves, ranging from £180k to nearly £300k.
If he's adamant ,then the club will eventually buckle, but i don't think that is the case in this situation. I'm one of those who feels he should move on ,not because of his transfer request ,but because he as lost that hunger and might need a change of scenery.
I read something recently saying "Ibra pledges his future to PSG". But in modern football, that headline is pretty meaningless, so who knows?
After all the clubs he's played for, and all the times he's not seem very keen on England, where does a man like Ibra go? Would be a laugh if he went to Monaco with Falcao.
I'm not sure that the club feel that way.
There are clearly issues about his fitness and his state of mind. The suggestions that he's not looking after himself may be speculative, but its clear his performances have dropped off significantly ove rthe second half of the season.
As for his wages, he's more than likely the highest paid player at the club and he's therefore always going to be judged on his performances.
For me he's dealt with this as badly as he could have - and clearly hasnt learned any lessons since the last time he did it. Last time he was too big a fish to be let go and was central to the teams success on the pitch - that's no longer the case.
Despite what's being said officially by the club I suspect they'll consider offers for him. The money he's on could potentially be better spent elsewhere on a player (or players) who won't chuck his toys out of the pram the minute he's held to account for his performances or criticised.
For what its worth I think United have had the best years out of him, and he can leave for all I care. Nobody's bigger than the club. He wanted "more ambition" at the club, he got it and now he's not guaranteed a place. An ironic end if he goes.
He will be by the end of another summer of burgers and beer.
Honestly Im done sticking up for him, I doubt his intelligence and he is still very immature. He can leave for pastures new as far as I am concerned, hopefully abroad though.
None of us know what the club really think outside of what SAF said. Apart from this last game it's not been like Nani where we haven't been playing him. And if a drop in mentality and form was curtains then Valencia would be the first out of the door. Given Rooney's form last season and what he contributed this season I don't see why we would want to get rid.
There is another way of looking at it, our summer signings are so good, that he decides that he wants to stay and play with them and he has his best season and scores 30+ goals.
How long have you got?
A: Because given his body type and lack of professionalism when it comes to maintaining his physical peak he is most definitely not going to be playing at the highest level into his 30s.
B: If we don't sell now we end up running the risk of him signing a pre contract agreement for a foreign club in 18 months and leaving for free .
c: If we don't sell now and he signs a new contract we have a player who I think is going to decline rapidly after 30/31 ish on a big money contract with feck all chance of selling for a decent price.
d: With his attitude, lack of respect for the club, the greatest manager ever and the fans the last thing a new manager needs, especially whilst making a big step up is a temperamental arrogant prima donna potentially throwing a spanner in the works if he doesn't get his own way.
E: He has arse hair on his head.
Its seems that PSG are close to kick out his arch nemesis (Leonardo)
This is all you needed really...
Rooney's first touch has been appalling for the last 18 months, not the standard you'd expect at the top level for a player of his calibre, which leads me to believe rumours that he's been going heavier than he should on the "sauce"...
It's his life and career but it's "our" team and club, at the end of the day, if he's not being as dedicated as required to his craft and it is affecting his performances to where the manager has had to leave him out for key games, then the blame lies at his door....
So I back the club on this one, although I don't like our players being booed, I suppose given his recent history of transfer requests, it's understandable...
I think if United get a sizeable offer, we'll take it, I just don't see this situation as recoverable, IMHO.
It's his life and career but it's "our" team and club, at the end of the day, if he's not being as dedicated as required to his craft and it is affecting his performances to where the manager has had to leave him out for key games, then the blame lies at his door....
So I back the club on this one, although I don't like our players being booed, I suppose given his recent history of transfer requests, it's understandable...
I think if United get a sizeable offer, we'll take it, I just don't see this situation as recoverable, IMHO.
Indeed - but clearly there are real issues to be resolved.
I think you can take a guess that a player on huge wages, who has twice asked to leave and who's form (and fitness) seem to be on the slide may be moved on, especially when he has two years left on his deal - effectively this summer is the last time you can realise a decent fee.
Its not all about contribution. He had a decent season - the question is whether he remains valuable enough for the club to have to put up with him, and whether they feel they're getting value for money.
Things happen in football clubs, thing we don't even know of. Whatever was going on in Rooney's mind a few weeks ago, I won't hold that against him if he stays, which I expect he will. Sometimes players are discontent and sometimes they let off steam in a bad way. It happens.
A and C are basically the same point and they're also based on conjecture because in truth you have no idea what Rooney's body type is going to be like and no idea of when and to what extent he is going to decline. Your convincing yourself that he is undergoing rapid decline basically to justify your opinion.
B is assuming we don't get him to sign an extension. Selling and him running down his contract aren't the only options.
D What personal knowledge do you have of Rooney's attitude and lack of respect? He hasn't announced anything publicly and when he spoke about SAF at the parade he was effusive in his praise and gratitude. Again fooling yourself into believing what you want.
E yeah, unacceptable lets sell him.
He will be known as the Scouse Gazza if he leaves.
That's a brilliant post - sums-up the British sports hacks beautifully
It's ridiculous really and they get away with it. Fans use the wage thing as a stick to beat him with when clearly even the journos are clueless on his salary. the £180,000 to nearly £300,000 quoted by the Guardian is a massive jump that they've probably just bumped up to make the story more interesting.
Exactly how I feel. I'm not condoning his actions, but I do feel that this is just some short-term anger that he's been built up regarding not playing as many games as he would have liked.
Despite him not being irreplaceable as he once was, it won't be easy to replace him with a player of the same caliber. I know he didn't show that quality consistently this season, but his statistics does indeed show he had an OK season despite playing poorly. There aren't many better #10s in the World when he's on his day.
We've seen this season how well he can play with RVP - his passes to the latter against Villa and against Cluj are prime examples of how Rooney can read RVP excellently.
I just hope that Rooney becomes too "scared" to make an u-turn after the abuse he'll receive. In my opinion, some fans became a bit too mad-happy when the news broke about him potentially wanting to leave. I understand that many aren't too fond of him anyway after his antics a couple of years ago - but when he's still our player, I wouldn't dare turn on him unless he consistently does stupid things like racism, biting, diving ala Suarez.
I seriously hope he stays. I don't want our management wasting time trying to find a replacement for Rooney when the main target should be finding a center midfielder.
It hasn't been a season to remember for him, but the fact you hear plenty of former United players and such believing that he should stay just strengthens my belief that he should stay.
With all that being said, I can't blame those who want him gone. Rooney hasn't slated our club in anyway, so until he does that I won't be joining the anti-Rooney campaign.
Wow, the Guardian are embarrassing
And the worst bit about these sort of randomly thrown about wages is that our fans have used these same numbers to use as a stick to beat him with ever since he signed the new deal. You have posters here go on about "Oh he's on 250k/300k a week and he doesn't deserve it and he's shite etc" when no one even has the faintest clue what he really is on.
His body type is not conjecture, even his biggest fans could not argue he is a natural athlete, and SAF has come out and publically stated Rooney is prone to weight gain, this is only going to increase with age, that is undeniable, and given both past history, SAFs own comments about his training issues and the evidence of our own eyes it is not too far of a stretch to suggest that he is far closer to the end of his top flight career than the beginning.
If you take the body/form/fitness issues as read then why would you want to offer an extension, I would bet my left nut that he wouldn't take a pay cut, It is difficult to justify a salary as high as even the lowest figures quoted for a player who is going to become less and less influential.
What knowledge do I have of his disrespect, lets see, being so arrogant that he cant see that he is playing so badly there are others who deserve to start more than he does just for starters
You've convinced yourself (based on the fact that you want him gone) that middle age spread is setting in and the club want rid. He's fat, lazy, has training issues, is on the decline, is greedy, disrespectful, arrogant, shit footballer.
I took all of that out of that one post. It's pretty obvious for all to see how you're letting your own negative opinions of Rooney cloud what little actual facts we have.
Why do you think Gary Neville, Schmeichel and Yorke want such a fat, shit footballer to stay and sort it out?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/manchesterunited/article3765267.ece
Times reporting he's likely to commit to United under Moyes..
Times reporting he's likely to commit to United under Moyes..
Has training issues was actually said by SAF, is he biased? He was dropped for the Blackburn game last season for not training acceptably, presumably I arranged that by being SO biased that I convinced the coaching staff he wasn't working hard enough? Greedy and arrogant aren't up for debate, he proved that himself with the last contract update. Ive never said he's a shit footballer, a shit professional maybe, but his actual natural ability has never been up for debate. No I don't KNOW hes going to decline rapidly, but based on all the (admittedly sketchy) information its not that unlikely, and no more unlikely than this opinion that hes going to come back next season and have a blinder.
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