Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Antisocial said:
If we weren't getting any really good offers from aboard (or offers that Rooney would accept) then just go the full Bilbao with Llorente on him - keep him on the sidelines for the remainder of his contract doing feck all. If his physical fitness is in question now then imagine how useful he'd be for Chelsea at 28/29 after two years having done feck all other than cash his big wages :lol:
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That would be such a United thing to do.
 
The problem with Rooney leaving is, he'll start giving his best if he goes to any other team in the premier league. That means that team will get substantially stronger and will cause harm to us in many ways.

If he's staying with us in good terms, then it will be the best for both parties. If he leaves, he'll be determined to prove himself in a new team, and we all know what a determined Wayne Rooney will do to any team in the world.

Right now he might not be at his peak but I think we should try and stick with him and forgive him the second time. He'll never have THAT legendary status at the club, but let's just consider him as an important player who is a money whore and let him play for us. Not only are we making us a weaker team but making the rivals stronger with his departure.
 
Dr. Dwayne said:
Please understand, as I have bolded, the strong language used suggests outcry to me. I understand if there's a touch of apathy about it but when you break it down there's a substantial difference between, "he can leave if he wants" and "he can feck off if he wants".
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Nah it doesn't at all. It just suggests being a bit fed up his antics is all. For example, if Hernandez wanted to leave I'd actually say "he can leave if he wants", because I genuinely understand why he'd want to leave. The lad gets such little game time in the league it's a bit crazy for someone with his ability.

Outcry is different. It tends to be painted with a lot of emotion. I'm not emotionally fussed on this transfer.
 
blitz133w said:
The problem with Rooney leaving is, he'll start giving his best if he goes to any other team in the premier league. That means that team will get substantially stronger and will cause harm to us in many ways.

If he's staying with us in good terms, then it will be the best for both parties. If he leaves, he'll be determined to prove himself in a new team, and we all know what a determined Wayne Rooney will do to any team in the world.

Right now he might not be at his peak but I think we should try and stick with him and forgive him the second time. He'll never have THAT legendary status at the club, but let's just consider him as an important player who is a money whore and let him play for us. Not only are we making us a weaker team but making the rivals stronger with his departure.
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I agree that anywhere he goes he will experience a lift in performance, how long that lasts is anyone's guess.

The problem is that I don't think he'll experience the same lift at United.
 
SteveJ said:
I think people essentially mean that it's 'understandable' in the sense that a) he has friends at Chelsea b) he/his wife might fancy living in London. It doesn't really mean that we're fine or happy about the prospect, just that we can see it from Rooney's point-of-view; unfortunately for Wayne, the club certainly won't consider it 'fine'.
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Cole and Terry are his friends? I feel sorry for him if they are the reason he is moving clubs.

And yea I mentioned the lure of London because it was just about the only feasible reason that I thought of. I think he is just sick of his current environment and needs a change in scenery.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I don't think there's an outcry per say. Just a lot of people saying "he can feck off if he wants to", which is fair. Although him wanting to leave every 2 years is a bit laughable given hes English and at the dominant force in English football over the last two decades. Ronaldo and all other players from those parts will always see real and barca as a step above us which makes me see their point of view mor clearly. Rooney just comes across as a bit off mentally at times. Okay, first time he was looking for a big pay rise, what is it this time? Not being given importance?
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It's probably about getting a sense of the club's plans for him.

In the last few years he's been moved all over the pitch, put in the side when clearly injured (he probably was up for playing but in retrospect it was a very bad decision), then dropped for the biggest game of the year. My guess is that, with a couple of years left on his contract, he wants to clarify whether the club sees him as its talismanic number ten, who to an extent the side is built around, or not.

If not, from his POV, at 27, he entirely reasonably needs to look at his options; and from the club's POV, his salary is probably not something they can justify going into the next round of negotiations.

That's my guess, anyway. And it all seems pretty reasonable. It may be something else - maybe he feels jaded and wants a new challenge, maybe Stretford is telling him he deserves eight million quid a week. But from the little we know, that's what seems likely.
 
Kid Cunto said:
We can't assume he'll move to Chelsea and we'll immediately see his best form.
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Strongly disagree Wayne Rooney's problems are in his head not his feet. If he sorts his state of mind out Rooney will go back to being the beast of a player he really is.

Be under no illusions selling Wayne Rooney will make someone else stronger even if it doesn't make us much weaker, relative to how he's played this year.

The big question is can Rooney get his head right at United and are we going to look like City over Tevez begging him to stay and work it out? When I think of singing 'do the Stevie Gerrard and you turn around' it does stick in my throat these days...
 
#07 said:
Strongly disagree Wayne Rooney's problems are in his head not his feet. If he sorts his state of mind out Rooney will go back to being the beast of a player he really is.

Be under no illusions selling Wayne Rooney will make someone else stronger even if it doesn't make us much weaker, relative to how he's played this year.

The big question is can Rooney get his head right at United and are we going to look like City over Tevez begging him to stay and work it out? When I think of singing 'do the Stevie Gerrard and you turn around' it does stick in my throat these days...
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So, joining Chelsea, a circus of a club, will immediately settle any issues in his head?
 
wr8_utd said:
How are some people fine with Rooney going to Chelsea? They lack a quality striker and that's why we'd be giving them and plus they're getting Jose too. Giving them Rooney would do a lot of damage to our chances of winning the title
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I'm fine with it because Chelsea will inevitably get a top class centre forward irrespective of whether it's Rooney. Plus we are far more likely to get a decent transfer sum from Chelsea (£40m instead of say £25m).

Chelsea need a pure finisher, who doesn't necessarily need to contribute to their creativity. They have Oscar, Mata, Hazard and to some extent Ramires who will happily shoulder the creative burden. The likes of Lewandowski, Falcao or even Hernandez would scare me more, as I think they'd consistently be scoring 35+ goals.
 
To be fair, Rooney is just as effective as a 9 these days (and has for a while) than as a 10.

It would give Chelsea the kind of lift we got from signing RvP last year.
 
Plechazunga said:
It's probably about getting a sense of the club's plans for him.

In the last few years he's been moved all over the pitch, put in the side when clearly injured (he probably was up for playing but in retrospect it was a very bad decision), then dropped for the biggest game of the year. My guess is that, with a couple of years left on his contract, he wants to clarify whether the club sees him as its talismanic number ten, who to an extent the side is built around, or not.

If not, from his POV, at 27, he entirely reasonably needs to look at his options; and from the club's POV, his salary is probably not something they can justify going into the next round of negotiations.

That's my guess, anyway. And it all seems pretty reasonable. It may be something else - maybe he feels jaded and wants a new challenge, maybe Stretford is telling him he deserves eight million quid a week. But from the little we know, that's what seems likely.
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So what if he's been moved around different positions? If he was just ridiculously good in one this season he wouldn't have been shifted around. Simple as that. Fergie himself said that he was played in midfield to get his form back. That's not Rooney getting a raw deal, that's the manager letting him play in a position he's not very good at just so he rediscovers his touch. The guy has it fecking great at united to be quite blatant. The club have never treated him harshly. Fergie has been fantastic with him and I don't see why the doubt about our plans for him.

And if it really is about him worrying about his position as the star man, then surely the thing to do is roll your sleaves and show your quality? Well see him as a talismanic no10 if he plays like one. Well play him in the biggest game of the season if he plays well enough to make us need to. I don't get where this sense of being treated unfairly or being given a raw deal comes from.
 
Kid Cunto said:
So, joining Chelsea, a circus of a club, will immediately settle any issues in his head?
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If they respond to his desire to play week in week out, not be moved out of position then anything is possible. It's not a cert that he would be back to his best instantly, or ever in fact if he moved to Chelsea. But we really don't want to take that risk do we?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
So what if he's been moved around different positions? If he was just ridiculously good in one this season he wouldn't have been shifted around. Simple as that. Fergie himself said that he was played in midfield to get his form back. That's not Rooney getting a raw deal, that's the manager letting him play in a position he's not very good at just so he rediscovers his touch. The guy has it fecking great at united to be quite blatant. The club have never treated him harshly. Fergie has been fantastic with him and I don't see why the doubt about our plans for him.

And if it really is about him worrying about his position as the star man, then surely the thing to do is roll your sleaves and show your quality? Well see him as a talismanic no10 if he plays like one. Well play him in the biggest game of the season if he plays well enough to make us need to. I don't get where this sense of being treated unfairly or being given a raw deal comes from.
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I'm not saying it's unfair or harsh. I'm saying they're legitimate grounds for wanting to clarify the club's position. If Fergie (who he didn't know was leaving) didn't think he has what it takes to play in his best position for United (ridiculous, IMO, but anyway...), then rolling up his sleeves and proving him wrong might not be the most judicious thing to do at this point in his career. I still think it would, but he may prefer a new start elsewhere.
 
Plechazunga said:
Alright, but Moyes won't really feel he has a trophy-less year to bank on. It's all very well people saying that, but the reality is if we're shit next year he's in trouble.

We're in a precarious position, facing two sugar-daddy clubs that will both reinforce massively. Unless he's definitely set on leaving, it's by no means a no-brainer that we should sell on of our best players, if not our best.
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Yes these are uncertain times there is no doubt about that, as such i would hold to the belief that unity is very important. Rooney with this transfer request is a negative influence on that effort already and were he persuaded to remain could simply be akin to a long fuse fizzling away in the background. What if Moyes feels that Rooney is out form and plays other forwards, must we put up with Wayne and Stretford briefing their friends in the media with stories against he manager?

Even if Rooney hadn't gone to Fergie and asked his sale should at least have been up for strong consideration this summer, bearing in mind the stage he is at in his career and the renewal of his contract being upon us once more. The proceeds will help us to reinforce also.


If nothing has altered by England internationals and assuming he is picked, we should be prepared for stories of unknown validity concerning his being tapped up by both Chelsea and City team mates.
 
Plechazunga said:
Because the Caf isn't rational.



He was pretty fecking good in 09-10 as I recall.



Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I reckon I've seen Rooney on the left dozens of times, and a few on the right. He played there for most of one season, though I can't remember which one, but I watched most of our games that season round my Sheffield United mate's house, and he spent the whole time banging on about what a waste it was shunting him out there...

As for Ronaldo, he started out as a pure winger but by the end was absolutely an inside forward.
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Yeah he played wide in a 4-3-3, 4-5-1(we used to use the legs of Fletcher in midfield to make life easier for Keane and Scholes) quite a bit in the 04-05 season. He was man of the match in the FA Cup final in 2005, was on the right and gave Ashley Cole a roasting. He was also used there for some games in the first few months of the following season. And of course has played their on various occasions since.
 
devilish said:
Ramsay had promised that Rooney's days to the whore/granny house are over.

New Reek's loyalty to the new boss will eclipse that of the Neville brothers towards SAF.
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Reek actually suits Rooney in a strange kind of way

Reek Reek he comes from Speke
 
Just watching the premier league highlights show and Fergie's interview after the game, it struck me as utterly weird that Rooney wasn't "keen" to play on Fergie's last home game. Such a special day for one of the THE biggest figures the game has ever seen, and someone who has played a big role in his career, and he just doesn't feel like playing? Surely after getting the news of Fergie's retirement, he could have just got on with things professionally till the end of the season?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Just watching the premier league highlights show and Fergie's interview after the game, it struck me as utterly weird that Rooney wasn't "keen" to play on Fergie's last home game. Such a special day for one of the THE biggest figures the game has ever seen, and someone who has played a big role in his career, and he just doesn't feel like playing? Surely after getting the news of Fergie's retirement, he could have just got on with things professionally till the end of the season?
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I actually think it's the smartest thing Rooney has done through all of this.

He'd of been booed off this pitch and Sunday was about Fergie and only Fergie.
 
If it was true that Rooney didn't want to play, then he should not get his weekly wage.
 
Man-United said:
If it was true that Rooney didn't want to play, then he should not get his weekly wage.
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He didn't refuse to play. The suggestion from Fergie was that he didn't really want too and then it was Fergie's decision to drop him.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Just watching the premier league highlights show and Fergie's interview after the game, it struck me as utterly weird that Rooney wasn't "keen" to play on Fergie's last home game. Such a special day for one of the THE biggest figures the game has ever seen, and someone who has played a big role in his career, and he just doesn't feel like playing? Surely after getting the news of Fergie's retirement, he could have just got on with things professionally till the end of the season?
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On a day which should've been just about Fergie I thought Rooney did the right thing in excluding himself from the scene.
 
Garethw said:
I actually think it's the smartest thing Rooney has done through all of this.

He'd of been booed off this pitch and Sunday was about Fergie and only Fergie.
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Fair point. Depends on why he wasn't keen then I guess. If it was to not distract from the day then it's probably smart. On the other hand if it was out of not being arsed then its extremely strange behavior.
 
Kid Cunto said:
So, joining Chelsea, a circus of a club, will immediately settle any issues in his head?
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If this issue in Rooney's head is simply that, for whatever reason, he doesn't want to play for United anymore and he'll never give 100 per cent for us again consequently then yes.

Obviously if there's some deep psychological issue behind Rooney's discontent then you wouldn't expect a move to solve it. However, if its simply the case that he's fallen out of love with United and wants to go somewhere else be it for money, be it for love, be it just cos he fancies pushing his kid's pram down the King's Road then its not hard to see Rooney returning to form quite quickly.
 
Carl said:
He didn't refuse to play. The suggestion from Fergie was that he didn't really want too and then it was Fergie's decision to drop him.
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This!

Fergie suggested that Rooney was lacking motivation to play, not that he refused to play.
 
rooney is in the top 10 most influential players of europe in my opinion , replacing him is a very though task . you get the full package in him from strength,passing, hardwork,leadership, to great finishing.
at the moment moyes cant lure top 10 talent to united so it would be better to get 2 more years out of him .in 2 years moyes would get established and able to attract top class replacement .
it would really help the transition time if rooney gets his head straight and extends his contract with 2 years
 
I was thinking if he does stay surely this will have to end with a new contract for him. I can't see us taking the risk of not having him signed up with this being the second time he's actually asked for a transfer.

Like I've said before I hope we can keep him and I hope he more looks to himself as to why he hasn't always been accommodated in his favored position or started all the big games. He's had a decent season for us, if you look at his output alone in the league he's contributed 22 goals and assists, Bale has 24 goals and assists, Mata 23, and those two are the stand out attacking midfielders/second strikers of the season.

His problem is just that consistency, not in terms of always producing a goal/assist but in just contributing to the flow of the team, it's been discussed to death on him but I'm one who thinks that when he has a bad spell he looses more to his game than other top players.

That said there are aspects of what Rooney is reportedly unhappy about, in terms of not always playing up front/second striker, that could be down to us not answering our own weaknesses. For example the need to be so defensively strong out-wide or needing such defensive protection from the second striker might be less if we have two top class midfielders rather than just one.

End of the day I think we would cope without Rooney fine, provided any money raised was re-invested, but when you consider that as a number 10 Rooney gives you as much output as the other top number 10s in the league and unlike them also gives you the option of a genuine world class number 9, I don't think he's a player you'd want to lose.

Hopefully we can find some middle ground, you could understand his potential frustration at not always being able to play in his best position or nor always starting, but hopefully he'll realise that it's not a vendetta against him but mostly a reflection that he's not always performing well enough to justify a fixed role in the team and if he was/did then he'd likely have that sort of status.
 
It's a weird one because he tweeted that he was really looking forward to the game in the morning.
 
botond said:
rooney is in the top 10 most influential players of europe in my opinion , replacing him is a very though task . you get the full package in him from strength,passing, hardwork,leadership, to great finishing.
at the moment moyes cant lure top 10 talent to united so it would be better to get 2 more years out of him .in 2 years moyes would get established and able to attract top class replacement .
it would really help the transition time if rooney gets his head straight and extends his contract with 2 years
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People may define influence differently but i wouldn't even consider Rooney to be in the Top 3 in terms of importance to United as a team at this moment.

We don't know one way or the other how effective Moyes is going to be in the transfer market, going by his record at Everton tells us that he isn't a bad judge of a player.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to Rooney's particular leadership qualities this season?


LR7 said:
It's a weird one because he tweeted that he was really looking forward to the game in the morning.
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I think it was Oliver Kay who said that Rooney looked furious when seen making his way to a seat shortly before the game.
 
I'm pretty sure some are misunderstanding. I don't think Sir Alex said Rooney didn't want to play. I think he said basically he ain't playing until he sorts his head out. Rooney didn't go up to Sir Alex and say, 'boss I don't want play'...

Sure sir Alex said it but it's not to be taken as it reads. Of course Rooney wanted to play. I don't think anyone should get confused about that.
 
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