Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I wouldn't deny the possibility however it is not going to be something unique to this moment or Rooney himself. Is it better dealt with a season from now with no trophies to our name and the aura of SAF diminished? Both dangers rest in Moyes' hands [provided he has the money] and if we time the transfers right this summer, the process of swapping one rebellious player for a new star name will almost look routine.
We can meet Wayne's demands and have a satisfied diva for one more year but at what cost? Beyond the financial the manager could now have at least three players who are disillusioned instead of one. Paving the way for the sort of disharmony which has blighted Mourinho's successors at Chelsea.
Allay Rooney in the short term acting out of fear, or nip this n the bud now and plan for the future.
I think Wayne's departure is inevitable - his hair's already leaving.
Sorry.
Sorry.
That's all very well, Plech, but most top players manage to negotiate new contracts without ever creating this kind of bad press. And Rooney has now done it not once, but twice in a couple of years.
Alright, but Moyes won't really feel he has a trophy-less year to bank on. It's all very well people saying that, but the reality is if we're shit next year he's in trouble.
We're in a precarious position, facing two sugar-daddy clubs that will both reinforce massively. Unless he's definitely set on leaving, it's by no means a no-brainer that we should sell on of our best players, if not our best.
True. I just think it's a two-sided thing. United have taken it to the press, tactically, at least as much as he has.
Done what, though? He requested a transfer EDIT: Or at least suggested he wanted to leave. That's all we know. The rest is down to who leaked what. The only person who spoke was Fergie, who sort of alluded to him not wanting to play, though he then couched it in terms of saying he probably didn't want to play, as evidenced by him asking to leave.
He's not the brightest, obviously, and he could have handled the first situation better, but on this one I've yet to see any proof that he's done anything worse than allowed himself to get frustrated and asked to leave.. Players do that all the time.
For what it's worth, I don't think this request is financially driven.
Yeah, I don't understand the outcry. If he wants to go, he wants to go. It happens.
It might not be about his salary as such, but all the sponsorship deals which depend on him starting all the big matches. And he was dropped for the biggest game of the season.
I'm in this boat too. He goes with my best wishes providing he doesn't go to City. I'd be annoyed if he went to Chelsea but it would be more understandable. He'd be first choice there and paid a packet.
Joining City would be sticking the fingers up at United fans though.
I could just about see him going to Chelsea, that one almost makes some sense. Would rather see him go abroad of course. If he pitched up at City I'd wonder what the feck is wrong with his head. He'd have my best wishes anywhere but City, if he went to City I'd just laugh at him.
He messed up last time and he realised that. So I doubt he would go down the same route just to get a bit more money. He seems to be more determined this time and want to leave for sure.
He also knows that the fans wont forgive him this time. The only thing he needs to realise is that he wont be sell to another English top team
He also knows that the fans wont forgive him this time. The only thing he needs to realise is that he wont be sell to another English top team
True.
He's not the first player that's turned out not top be good enough to hold down a first team place, and so looked to move to a lesser club for guaranteed football.
I don't remember Phizza / JOS / Wes etc getting this much stick.
Difference with them three was that the club decided to move on, and not vice versa.
How are some people fine with Rooney going to Chelsea? They lack a quality striker and that's why we'd be giving them and plus they're getting Jose too. Giving them Rooney would do a lot of damage to our chances of winning the title
Maybe he just fancies playing alongside his England mates from Chelsea. And that would be 'fine', as far as it goes, except that United's administration feel it would strengthen a rival. Thefore, I wouldn't be that surprised to see him go abroad, if only as a temporary stepping-stone to a PL club.
He'll inevitable end up back in England, should he go abroad.
I would prefer to see him go abroad as he will only improve the team he joins but it's up to Rooney what he does now, Ronaldo said he would never play for another English team but I don't think Rooney respects us enough to do something similar.
If he joins Chelsea, fingers crossed his career follows the path of Torres, Kaká, and others who peaked in their mid twenties...
If Roman slaps a fifty on the table then we should coco.
If Roman slaps a fifty on the table then we should coco.
Off topic, but Kaka hardly peaked mid twenties.
He won the Ballon d'Or in his mid twenties, and he's been fairly average for Madrid.
If he goes to chelsea they will win the league next year.
I'd say the same about City.
The one thing we cannot afford to do is sell him to a rival. People here have pissed themselves about VP and where Arsenal are this year. We do not want to do the same.
No question, maybe even for 40m.. I would not expect him to fetch much more than 30m if he goes abroad.
Funny, he played for us last season and we didn't win the league, its by no means a foregone conclusion.
Not sure about that... they certainly left with the club's best wishes etc, but I'm sure we'd have been happy to keep them on. Ultimately it was them getting to a point in their career where they wanted regular football.
That said, my post was somewhat tongue in cheek. Obviously Rooney should be good enough to hold down a first team place.
How is Rooney moving to Chelsea understandable for you guys? I mean what does Chelsea offer that we don't? Salarywise I wouldn't think he would get that much more at Chelsea. The only thing I could think of is the lure of living in London... it would be kind of sad if that's what all the fuss is about.
A regular place in the team as a striker?
If we weren't getting any really good offers from aboard (or offers that Rooney would accept) then just go the full Bilbao with Llorente on him - keep him on the sidelines for the remainder of his contract doing feck all. If his physical fitness is in question now then imagine how useful he'd be for Chelsea at 28/29 after two years having done feck all other than cash his big wages 
Seriously? You guys afraid of Chelsea or something? We just won the league at a canter, the pretenders have to do a lot more than sign a waning Wayne Rooney to catch up.
But I don't seriously think we'd entertain such a sale. I have a feeling he wants to go abroad, somewhere where the weather is nicer.
It's got to a point where I'd honestly be annoyed if we extended his deal. He'd have toyed with us twice, threatening to leave to get a record breaking contract and would virtually show that he's much bigger than the club. If he signs a new deal he has a realistic shot at overtaking Charlton as our top scorer and I just don't want that to happen - I don't really want a player who has threatened to leave twice to earn £250k a week to be considered as one of our biggest legends in 20, 30 or 40 years
He's just a player, we could replace him. We already have a world class forwards that will bring us goals in van Persie and a good attacking midfielder in Kagawa. As opposed to 2010 when we'd have been genuinely fecked if he left, we're now equipped to deal with his departure.
He's just a player, we could replace him. We already have a world class forwards that will bring us goals in van Persie and a good attacking midfielder in Kagawa. As opposed to 2010 when we'd have been genuinely fecked if he left, we're now equipped to deal with his departure.
I don't think there's an outcry per say. Just a lot of people saying "he can feck off if he wants to", which is fair. Although him wanting to leave every 2 years is a bit laughable given hes English and at the dominant force in English football over the last two decades. Ronaldo and all other players from those parts will always see real and barca as a step above us which makes me see their point of view mor clearly. Rooney just comes across as a bit off mentally at times. Okay, first time he was looking for a big pay rise, what is it this time? Not being given importance? For me, fergie stands by his best players. Rooney obviously isn't doing what he's capable of doing and in his teams best interest keeps subbing or dropping Rooney. He should take the challenge and prove his worth.
As it happens, I'm firmly in the "he can feck off if he wants to" camp. And to be fair, I feel that way about most of our players, but definitely for one who wants to leave every 2 minutes.
I don't think that's true at all. They were really off the pace this year and although losing Rooney would be a blow to us, I don't think it would weaken the squad / improve a rival squad so much that they could walk the league.
On a different note: I find it strange that Rooney wants to leave, where's he going to get it any better than here?
I also think its a bad move for him to leave and try to win the title elsewhere, especially with Fergie retiring. If he thinks he'll get the last laugh over Sir Alex by moving on and winning the league he is seriously deluded. No one gets the last laugh on Fergie, and I think that's why Fergie outted him to the press. A year from now we will be pissing ourselves at his stupidity (I hope!).
I think people essentially mean that it's 'understandable' in the sense that a) he has friends at Chelsea b) he/his wife might fancy living in London. It doesn't really mean that we're fine or happy about the prospect, just that we can see it from Rooney's point-of-view; unfortunately for Wayne, the club certainly won't consider it 'fine'.
Please understand, as I have bolded, the strong language used suggests outcry to me. I understand if there's a touch of apathy about it but when you break it down there's a substantial difference between, "he can leave if he wants" and "he can feck off if he wants".
Do people understand the apparent reason he wants to leave is because he hasn't been good enough for us this season.
So, I don't see why him moving to a title rival makes that team immediate favourites to finish top.
So, I don't see why him moving to a title rival makes that team immediate favourites to finish top.
Chelsea would need much more than Wayne Rooney to win the league in general, but given fergie is leaving, it sort of gives all the other teams a better shot. Although if we get rid of Rooney well also replace him with someone who is "keen on playing".
We don't need players who sulk when they're not allowed to coast in the first team week in, week out.
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