The outrage is not only about what was said, it is also about how it was done in public via the media. Essentially Rooney was questioning Fergie's decisions and saying the whole squad of players at the time were not good enough, unacceptable behaviour IMO and that is why many of our fans have had an issue with him ever since.
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The outrage is not only about what was said, it is also about how it was done in public via the media. Essentially Rooney was questioning Fergie's decisions and saying the whole squad of players at the time were not good enough, unacceptable behaviour IMO and that is why many of our fans have had an issue with him ever since.
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Stop it, you gayers.
Stop it, you gayers.
So can I renegotiate a contract directly with my car, to remove the clauses put in there by Toyota?
Exactly. I dunno.
Cheers for that, I've never seen this before - surely it ends any debate about Rooney's intentions back in 2010 and shows that it was all just a cnutish move to get more cash out of the club?
cnutish I know but I told you so 
Rubbish, Rooney was sacrificing himself to get us to be more competitive. Now his work is done he wishes to move to another unfortunate club and change it's fortunes.
It may be all academic at this stage but I'd say the really cnutish thing to do would be to make a play like he (or his agent, or both) did and NOT apologize to his team mates.
To me Rooney has come across as many things - a bit of a chav, dubious taste in women, horrible hair job, etc. But he has never struck me as a cnut. Not if "cnut" signifies a genuinely unsympathetic person. That's just my impression, of course. But in a way O'Shea's anecdote sort of confirms this impression. He acted like a cold hearted professional, but not like a cnut.
To me Rooney has come across as many things - a bit of a chav, dubious taste in women, horrible hair job, etc. But he has never struck me as a cnut. Not if "cnut" signifies a genuinely unsympathetic person. That's just my impression, of course. But in a way O'Shea's anecdote sort of confirms this impression. He acted like a cold hearted professional, but not like a cnut.
*Commissioner Gordon Dark Knight speech*
Cold hearted professional when it comes to money, anything but in all other areas of life.
cnut.
Really? Id say fecking a whore while your pregnant wife is at home is FAIRLY high on the cuntometer
You're right, Ches, in that there's little or no malice in his actions; instead, he simply doesn't care enough about United. That's no crime (and it makes me wonder why fans go on about Rooney becoming the top-scorer in our history...I doubt Wayne is over-concerned about things like that, myself), but it sheds light on how he was able to leave the club of his heart, never mind prospectively leave the club of his career.
This is all about money.
Rooney and his people probably feel that leaving is the only bargaining chip they have to make sure he makes as much as he can.
I believe Rooney when he says he is happy to play in midfield, not when he is citing being substituted or played out of position in order to get a new contract.
I think that on the pitch he simply loves his football. Off the pitch he's a dumb scouser.
He only has two years left on his contract, and the club might be tempted to offer him less money this time around given his aging body. Rooney is trying to force their hand, but he's not the cleverest representative of his own interests.
I also think that these sort of discussions between player and manager go on a lot more than fans realize. SAF has done so well at keeping issues in house, that we get shocked when they come out into the open.
Who leaked SAF's retirement? Who leaked the meeting with Rooney? Something is rotten in Denmark.
Rooney and his people probably feel that leaving is the only bargaining chip they have to make sure he makes as much as he can.
I believe Rooney when he says he is happy to play in midfield, not when he is citing being substituted or played out of position in order to get a new contract.
I think that on the pitch he simply loves his football. Off the pitch he's a dumb scouser.
He only has two years left on his contract, and the club might be tempted to offer him less money this time around given his aging body. Rooney is trying to force their hand, but he's not the cleverest representative of his own interests.
I also think that these sort of discussions between player and manager go on a lot more than fans realize. SAF has done so well at keeping issues in house, that we get shocked when they come out into the open.
Who leaked SAF's retirement? Who leaked the meeting with Rooney? Something is rotten in Denmark.
I've said a few times hes an everton fan, not a united, its just his job and people take it all too personally, but I disagree here.
FA Cup aside, hes won it all in terms of UK honours anyway, all he has left in terms of career achievements are 'club record' type things, even if its a club he has no particular affinity for.
If he stays at United, he can become the clubs record goal scorer, its a record that will likely be there for at least a decade, possibly his lifetime , for someone results driven thats pretty much all left, going to a new club means he wont ever do those things, not that he wont be able to be Uniteds top scorer, but that he wont be a club top scorer in general.
Really? Id say fecking a whore while your pregnant wife is at home is FAIRLY high on the cuntometer
Hehe, yeah - fair enough. It ain't classy. But to me it is possible to do something immoral or just plain wrong without being a cnut. Or, if you will, there's a difference between human weakness and "proper" cuntishness.
I'm just speculating, of course. I don't know Wayne Rooney.
I know what you mean to be fair.......I just refuse to give him any credit at all.
The reasons I'm cynical about it, Nog, has to do with the commercial value of such achievements. For example, John Terry used his England captain status in advertising his availability for commercial projects (precious little to do with actual patriotism or personal pride there); Wayne becoming our top-scorer would add value to the Rooney brand and, seeing as how his new website has as much emphasis on Nike as it does on United, I think this brand means a great deal to Wayne. In all this furore, I thought it striking that instead of publicly commenting on United fans' concerns, Wayne took the time to represent Nike's best interests via Twitter.
Naive is another word I would use to describe him, you get the feeling that people around him have had an influence on a lot of his decisions for their personal gain.
If Rooney comes out and says he is staying, I won't be thrilled like I was last time (when he was more important to us) but I will be happy to see him stay.
But if this results in another contract and another pay-rise, I will be sick.
In Moyes I trust.
But if this results in another contract and another pay-rise, I will be sick.
In Moyes I trust.
Yeah, that's backed-up by stuff like this...
Wayne Rooney 'unaware' of Everton deal details:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8509512.stm
This is a good point IMO.
In the mean time how would the club and Rooney suddenly reaching an agreement be perceived by the rest of the the team and prospective transfer targets? On the one hand the other forwards will wonder if Rooney has been given assurances regarding his deployment, and on the other Moyes will have begun his tenure by appearing weak in his first serious altercation with a top player at OT.
Weakness is relative. There are bad outcomes that could follow Wayne leaving - for instance Nani leaving too and us struggling to sign top players who sensed an exodus of talent and no longer had the draw of SAF. Once they scented that sort of weakness, how long into the summer before the Spanish clubs started sniffing around Rafael and Hernandez?
That scenario is potentially a lot worse than looking like you've blinked in a contract negotiation.
Sack your agent Wayne, he doesn't have your best interests at heart.
If its all about money, his representative have got to be absolute Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime to tell him to ask for a transfer request again. Why not just let his contract run down and see what United come up with, at the end of the day he going to get a brand new contract whether it with us or someone else, but doing what he has done has made him become huge unnecessary villain.
He's got a wife who seems to have her head screwed on right. I doubt she wants to up sticks and move to London or wherever. Hope she's got his ear.
You'd think he'd have done this the first time? There was a much better way to say "I want/deserve more money" than saying the club lacked ambition and ask to leave; You lose half the fans doing that, and cause probable tension in the dressing room. What is he paying this person to do if he's allowing Rooney to make such stupid PR moves like this? If he's truly unhappy he can truly force his way out. If he's whining about being taken off, then play your fecking socks off and show why Fergie ever made a mistake of leaving him out of the squad in those occasions. He's done nothing but harm Rooney's image, because he let this idiot roam around thinking he can hold the club to ransom, when he should have sat him down and let him deal with contracts etc.
Doesn't she have her own brand of perfume and shit? London would make perfect sense for her.
I will amazed - and disappointed - if this leads to Rooney getting an improved contract with us. The only way he's staying here is if he winds his neck in and performs an embarrassing climb-down, apologises again and reiterates his desire to spend the rest of his career here whilst agreeing to the same terms as before, or maybe even less.
Not that that's going to happen. Not with Wayne Rooney.
Not that that's going to happen. Not with Wayne Rooney.
This is generally the kind of thing that happens at other clubs (publicly at least): players having 'play regardless of form' clauses in their contracts; moaning about positions they're obliged to play; questioning ambition and quality etc etc. That kind of rubbish Moyes can do without, and it could conceivably set a precedent. And now, my own personal bias: I simply don't like United rewarding or appeasing players who don't have the club in their hearts. Wayne, through no fault of his own, is not a United fan, and this is why I'll find it hard to accept yet another expedient mea culpa ("What was I thinking?", "I want to retire at United" etc)...until the next time he and his advisers decide they could get a better deal elsewhere.
None of you know what's actually happened though. He might have gone into Fergie's office and said, Look am I going to be played in midfield all the time next season, cos if so I think it's best if I go. Which would be perfectly reasonable. He's in his late twenties and has had injuries, he can't afford to feck about at this stage. Then Fergie publicises it and it turns into a who-blinks-first thing in the media.
Or indeed, any other player. Who was the last player in his prime who took a pay cut in his new contract? That's not how contract negotiations work.
Or indeed, any other player. Who was the last player in his prime who took a pay cut in his new contract? That's not how contract negotiations work.
Even if it did, we've heard it all before.
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Fair enough, mate, but the boss can't be ignorant of Wayne's actual reasons last time 'round, in that those actions had little to do with ambition or quality in the end. SAF strikes none of us as someone who can be fooled easily.
Whatever is happening, at this rate Wayne's going to have a sex change operation by the time he hits 40.
I'm not sure it did have nothing to do with the quality of the squad.
But look, yes I get that something about Rooney died for most of us at that time. We could no longer fool ourselves that he was United through and through. (We shouldn't really be fooling ourselves like that anyway, with any player... it's largely bollocks these days.) I just think the venom he receives is going too far the other way, and it gets ridiculous when people are actually convincing themselves that he's not that good a player.
These are multi-million pound deals between players and clubs. They are both trying to feck each other, that's the nature of the thing, we should all grow out of these emotional reactions because they're irrelevant these days.
^@Plechazunga sense, completely agree with your last couple of posts too.
Considering Rooney's recent performances, then it would have been more appropriate for him to fear being sold rather then throwing a tantrum in a bid to get a better deal or/and the lone striker role back.
Doesn't she have her own brand of perfume and shit? London would make perfect sense for her.
Eau d' Toxteth. Smells like a pub urinal with hints of sweat and strawberry-flavoured condoms. Big hit on Merseyside but I can't see the Cockneys going for it.
If that's the case then he has every right to leave, he still has a few years in him so it's understandable if he wants another challenge. I will thank him for what he's done for us in the past and wish him good luck but if he comes out of this with a new deal I will be disappointed with him and club the club for letting this happen again.
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