Rooney must have felt a right twat at the parade today.
What a bizarre situation for him to end up in. The big eeejit.
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Rooney must have felt a right twat at the parade today.
What a bizarre situation for him to end up in. The big eeejit.
Telegraph has quotes from Moyes at the Cambridge Union talk last night:
Addressing the Cambridge Union Society, Moyes was asked if he thought Rooney was one of the top 10 strikers in the world.
“Wayne Rooney was and is an exceptional talent,” he replied. “When we sold him to Manchester United, he was fantastic. When he left Everton, he was already an outstanding player. Some of the things he used to do in training, we would stand back and look at each other, and say, 'How did he do that?’ You would see the staff exchange glances as if to say, 'Can you believe that?’
“He was brilliant, some of the stuff he did. He was football-mad – every training session he would run out, volleying the ball everywhere. He was just a really good 16-year-old footballer but the thing was, he could have left training and then gone out into the street and played with his pals and thought nothing of it.
“A lot of people use the terminology 'street footballer’ and I really think Wayne was the last of the classic street footballers. You could see him in the street, hitting the ball against the walls with his friends. Part of that culture has gone but, coming from Glasgow, I knew what it was like. I do think Wayne really was the last true street footballer I have worked with.”
Addressing the Cambridge Union Society, Moyes was asked if he thought Rooney was one of the top 10 strikers in the world.
“Wayne Rooney was and is an exceptional talent,” he replied. “When we sold him to Manchester United, he was fantastic. When he left Everton, he was already an outstanding player. Some of the things he used to do in training, we would stand back and look at each other, and say, 'How did he do that?’ You would see the staff exchange glances as if to say, 'Can you believe that?’
“He was brilliant, some of the stuff he did. He was football-mad – every training session he would run out, volleying the ball everywhere. He was just a really good 16-year-old footballer but the thing was, he could have left training and then gone out into the street and played with his pals and thought nothing of it.
“A lot of people use the terminology 'street footballer’ and I really think Wayne was the last of the classic street footballers. You could see him in the street, hitting the ball against the walls with his friends. Part of that culture has gone but, coming from Glasgow, I knew what it was like. I do think Wayne really was the last true street footballer I have worked with.”
^ An awful lot of emphasis on the past there, how much we should read into that...
I've used the scientific method of textual analysis to decipher Moyes' speech:
Nothing at all. He can't be disrespectful and talk as if he's United manager yet - that's why it's all past tense, those University things tend to be based on the speaker's own experiences and relations to his life anyway.
Can somebody please sum up what's gone on with Rooney's agent, Rooney, SAF and Talksport, please? I'm reading fractured bits of information on different pages here and am not really following.
I'd read into it that he hasn't worked with him for 10 years and he's talking about his experience of coaching him.
Well no shit. It has to be the past he is talking about because he hasnt managed Wayne in 9 years now.
Edit: Pexbo beat me to it.
Usual rumours and bollocks, apparently Rooney and his crew are leaking junk to Talksport to get a pro-Rooney bias in the media.
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Had to laugh at this. Though it was a bit rough booing him at the trophy parade.
In this time where the club can show him how warm and receptive it is to one of their best and most influential players they boo him.
A bit disappointing.
Fair enough, if that is accurate he's making more than I thought.
I listen to Talksport and haven't noticed any significant bias towards Rooney or against Fergie.
Lampard on the other hand, Christ, the deifying of him on that channel is incredible.
Yeah, I didn't know if they were, but apparently that's the rumour. Meh.
It's more Keys than Talksport. I've seen Rooney reference Keys quite a few times on Twitter so I'm guessing they're good mates.
Moyes answered in the only way he could, handled it well IMO and I like that he's supposedly going to get started on sorting this out next week.
I'm bored of the Rooney saga already.
When are the lads back in pre season training?
When are the lads back in pre season training?
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Moyes, Fergie and Giggs were snapped leaving Alderley Edge Hotel.
90min Discussion About Rooney future: pic.twitter.com/lJkjFx4IEZ
Moyes, Fergie and Giggs were snapped leaving Alderley Edge Hotel.
90min Discussion About Rooney future: pic.twitter.com/lJkjFx4IEZ
I like that Giggs was a part of the meeting, I'm sure he will get a big role after he's retired.
Keys: "Moyes, Ferguson and Giggs plot to kidnap and torture Wayne Rooney"
These last two days would have reminded him just what he would be walking away from. I have a feeling he's going to back track once again.
Glad giggs is involved in this, great sign of respect for the man from fergie, moyes, and the club. As gazza said, he's probably the best person to go to for advice in such a situation.
It could easily just have been a discussion about transfers and the team in general though and not necessarily some kinda Rooney intervention.
Giggs: So anyways, I don't feel that Rooney can be trusted anymore! I mean, he told us that United was the only team for him just 8 months ago! The man is a treacherous snake!
Moyes: Yeah, you're the one to talk, Mr.Banged-my-brother's-wife-for-8-years!
SAF: HAH! Good one David! *highfive*
Moyes: Yeah, you're the one to talk, Mr.Banged-my-brother's-wife-for-8-years!
SAF: HAH! Good one David! *highfive*
Probably keeping Giggs involved as well to act as a go between and negotiator. Would guess Rooney would be more open with Giggs than with 'the management'.
What a shit start to the job this is for Moyes
It's the clever move, you want to respect and be on good terms with the senior figures in the dressing room.
Rooney is still by far our best player, it'll be a personal tragedy for me if he leaves.
Really? A "personal tragedy"? I mean, seriously?
I don't think so. Moyes can either wave goodbye or convince that his future lies at Manchester United as we start the new chapter. Either way Moyes won't come out of this badly.
Rooney on the other hand will be vilified with whatever decision he takes, and he's only got himself to blame the silly boy.
1: No, he really isn't, and 2: If that is a personal tragedy you have led a charmed life so far my friend
By far? He's not even our best striker.
I don't think he's our #1 best player, but I think he's certainly in our top 5 overall. When he's on his explosive form, I'd say he's in our top 2. I think the last time that happened was against City away in December. I don't think he's been awful since then, but it's been up and down.
A part of me hopes he stays, but it's difficult to want him to when he's asked to leave twice now, especially after admitting how big of a mistake it was the first time.
Where do you go from here? If you stay in the Premier League, the only way is down. I don't mean to be arrogant, but there's no better football institution within Great Britain as historically rich and competitive as United. I don't even consider that to be opinion. It's just true. Who is bigger than us? City and Chelsea have their wealth, and perhaps that's all that matters to a celebrity family such as the Rooneys. Liverpool have history at least, but I can't see them competing at all in the near future, nor do I think he would ever go there. Arsenal? Would Rooney give them what they need to push for a title? Well even with RVP, they weren't getting too close, and RVP is better than Rooney, so arguably no. So, it has to be abroad, unless he's just wanting silly money from the megarich lottery winners and not win as much if he put in the legwork and stayed with us.
A part of me hopes he stays, but it's difficult to want him to when he's asked to leave twice now, especially after admitting how big of a mistake it was the first time.
Where do you go from here? If you stay in the Premier League, the only way is down. I don't mean to be arrogant, but there's no better football institution within Great Britain as historically rich and competitive as United. I don't even consider that to be opinion. It's just true. Who is bigger than us? City and Chelsea have their wealth, and perhaps that's all that matters to a celebrity family such as the Rooneys. Liverpool have history at least, but I can't see them competing at all in the near future, nor do I think he would ever go there. Arsenal? Would Rooney give them what they need to push for a title? Well even with RVP, they weren't getting too close, and RVP is better than Rooney, so arguably no. So, it has to be abroad, unless he's just wanting silly money from the megarich lottery winners and not win as much if he put in the legwork and stayed with us.
I only want him to stay if he gets his act together, starts fighting again (on the pitch) and finds his best form. Otherwise, just sell an unhappy player for a decent amount of money, even if it is Rooney
It all depends on where you are selling him too.
ANd as always people are underplaying his ability.
If he goes to either Chelsea or City, whichever it is will beat us to the title next year.
If he really doesnt want to be in the squad and looking for a move, sell him abroad. If he just wants to know where he stands after a year of being shifted about fairly frequently and missing out on some big games, deal with it and get him back into the team.
I do think fans take it all too personally either way, hes a blue scouse, he isnt a fan, our team are his employers. Its not personal if he has employment issues to discuss, it is what it is.
Telegraph
One of the issues must surely be, how long will it take for him to change his mind again if he does stay? It's only been 2 and a bit years since he signed the last contract after getting his reassurances, be it money or better players (obviously money) and only 8 months since he said he'd made the biggest mistake in his life, and wanted to play here for another 10 years. Fergie personally spoke to him to change his mind, the club brought big in transfers, and United won the league back from City, and he still wants to leave. My concern is that if he still wants to leave after all that, it's probably not going to go away. I'm not really confident he does want to play here anymore, or that if we do keep him on, it will last longer than a season anyway. Obviously it's all speculation and maybe it's something completely irrelevant to any of those things above, but I don't think he will stay.
Speaking to MUTV, however, Rooney did not answer directly a question about what the retiring Ferguson had done for him, and was not asked whether he would be staying or not. “He has been brilliant for us all,” said Rooney. “He is a great manager. He is a winner and to do it for so long is incredible. He is a fantastic manager and a fantastic person.”
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