United don't pay top wages compared to a very few other clubs. Rooney wants those wages.
End of story.
End of story.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Last time Rooney was a prick and was seeking a wage rise. This time he's disgruntled and moody. The first is excusable once and not more. The second is fairly easy to excuse, although it's certainly tiresome.
If the wage that Rooney is currently on isn't a 'top wage'(whatever that means), I'd be very surprised.
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Fergie has been messing Rooney around for awhile - dropping, subbing and playing him out of position. As I said in a previous post, this can be a way of signalling to a player - "come in number 10, your time is up." If Fergie wanted to sell Rooney, he'd want to do so as a going concern, not a devalued property left on the bench for long periods.
It's a balancing act, and if Rooney has taken the hint and asked to leave, Fergie got it close to right. Although the club would surely have preferred Rooney not to go public, but simply to have gotten a few offers, and presented them to Wayne.
That's my two cents worth of speculation, in any case.
For the record, Rooney is the 7th best paid footballer in the world. He's paid more than any Chelsea player.
Can you imagine if you employed someone who'd already retired twice?
feck! when I wrote it, it made sense.
Now that I read it back it's all fecked up.
No wonder I got a D in English.
what a prick.
I mean he wants Ronaldo money, Ibra money, he wants to be at the very top. United don't pay anyone 250,000 plus a week.
He is paid more by Manchester United than Real pay Ronaldo or Barcelona pay Messi (according to most sources)
The only difference is because he isn't as marketable (partially because of his own transgressions) he doesn't generate as much via sponsorships.
Only Eto'o and Ibra apparently earn more.
sell him on but actually use the sale proceeds towards a replacement.
You may have hit on something there!
Class on the pitch he is, but he doesn't have an ounce of class off it. Farewell Rooney, thanks for the good memories.
I have no idea if this is accurate, but this is what I found:
Highest Earning Players in Football 2013
Lionel Messi – £30m
Cristiano Ronaldo – £25.7m
Samuel Eto’o – £20.5m
Naymar – £17.1m
Sergio Aguero – £16.3m
Wayne Rooney – 15.4m
Zlatan Ibrahimovic – £15m
Yaya Toure – £14.2m
Fernando Torres – £14m
http://www.tsmplug.com/football/top-10-highest-earners-football-players-in-the-world/
Last time Rooney was a prick and was seeking a wage rise. This time he's disgruntled and moody. The first is excusable once and not more. The second is fairly easy to excuse, although it's certainly tiresome.
How do you know that? Asking for a transfer a couple of seasons later suggests it wasnt just about money last time else he'd have settled down after his payday.
During one of his transfer tantrums I remember City saying in a statement that Tevez was their highest paid player - that was after Yaya sold his soul, so I'd think Tevez should be on a list of purely club-paid (well, owner paid) wages (though Yaya has renewed since then).
Doesn't Tevez have a clause in his contract that automatically puts him on a parity with whomever is the highest earner at City? I'm sure I read that somewhere before.
Last time Rooney was a prick and was seeking a wage rise. This time he's disgruntled and moody. The first is excusable once and not more. The second is fairly easy to excuse, although it's certainly tiresome.
But why is he disgruntled and moody? If he's genuinely in an unhappy place with his life and regrets things he's done in his personal life in the past and is feeling guilty or whatever then we should offer him the support and help he needs, but chances are he's disgruntled and moody because he's not the centre of attention or because he wants more money again, which is hardly excusable when he has to earn the right to start and when he already receives ridiculous wages.
Neymar being on that list is crazy.
I would be shocked if we paid Rooney more than those 2 are paid. I just googled this one
http://www.businessinsider.com/highest-paid-soccer-players-2013-4?op=1
Though like most other lists, no one can comment on their reliability. Even here, Rooneys salary works out to close to $347,000 per week (17.8m/52), which is most probably bullshit?
On a side note...look at the estimated value of Beckhams endorsements!!!!
Do you guys suppose he will give an interview about Fergie's retirement at the very least? How he was not able to wait until Ferguson had retired is beyond me.
I agree wholeheartedly with Fergie: If Rooney had been in top form, then he wouldn't have been substituted and Kagawa would have to play second fiddle.
I agree wholeheartedly with Fergie: If Rooney had been in top form, then he wouldn't have been substituted and Kagawa would have to play second fiddle.
I genuinely believe that Rooney is just that thick. I doubt it's purely because of the money.
I can't see where he could really go - at Bayern he won't get the same money as he gets here, at Barca he wont play, Real is the only possibility, we won't let him go to Chelsea or City....
I can't see where he could really go - at Bayern he won't get the same money as he gets here, at Barca he wont play, Real is the only possibility, we won't let him go to Chelsea or City....
Any interviewer in the world would ask him about his transfer request/future plans. Having Rooney say nice things about Fergie as well would not be worth the hassle.
He could just do a Fergie and say that the only thing he wants to talk about is Fergie... He'd basically be an arse not to say anything about him, imo.
I don't think its money at all. Not for Rooney personally. He's just an immature, overgrown kid with loads of money and a ridiculous talent, so obviously the manipulative, money hungry scum of the world attach themselves to him and try to influence his mind. Plus he seems to be friends with some right idiots as well.
I can't really hate him for being naive and stupid. Most people are. Hell, most people on here are, and I still hang out here virtually every day. Rooney's not calculated and cunning. He's a decent bloke at heart. I don't find him unlikable, and I don't think I ever will.
But, Fergie has known for months he's retiring. Is it really a situation he'd like to see Moyes start with? 'I'd get Rooney upset, then you'd come it and it will be the first thing you have to handle'? Doubt it.
Well, it was "ambition", and he wanted money as an assurance that United were ambitious. It's clearly not about ambition this time....unless you're suggesting it is?
You always get dragged into these long, drawn out quote offs where you attempt to pick holes with what people are saying but you don't actually offer a counter point. What exactly are you suggesting? What is your premise? What point are you trying to make?
Something I guess we all knew, but out of the 9 seasons he's been here, there's only been two where we've done better without him in the team on a points average. We need someone as productive as he can be to replace him if he goes, because he is honestly someone who does provide a lot more than we realise nowadays. If Moyes plays him up top with RvP and doesn't throw him about all over the pitch, maybe he will have a new desire to play for us again. I think he's approached this all wrong, and instead of asking to leave he should have asked Fergie to play him in his favourite position, because that seems to be the main issue.
From what I see, it's been a sort of chain reaction: Fergie experimented more with playing him in other positions->Rooney wasn't thriving being moved around as much-> Leads to a loss of confidence in his ability and doesn't put in the great performances we know he's capable of-> Leads Fergie to dropping him and subbing him off more frequently. I believe if Moyes gives him what he wants, then we benefit for the better. I don't buy into this "well Jones, Welbeck and Kagawa sacrifice themselves to play out of position, why can't Rooney?" He's 27, and pretty much at the peak of his powers, those 3 are below the age of 24 and many more years to develop. He is our main player, and a main player in a club doesn't play in 4 different positions in one season.
The problem is he's as thick as two short planks, and one small problem for him leads to a massive overreaction and ultimately to a stand off between him and the club. He should realise that there isn't anywhere to go from here, his family is settled in Manchester with a second kid on the way, at the start of this season many fans were beginning to fully forgive him (I think) and he's on course to become one of the all time leading goalscorers at Manchester United! How many more reasons do you need to stay? Day by day now he's been slowing digging his grave, first with asking to leave which was announced the day Fergie announces retirement, then with the denial of changing MUFC to @Nikeathlete instead of speaking about the rumours, then saying he didn't want to play Fergie's last game at OT. I'll be happy if he stays because I believe he's got so much more to give still, but with the player himself I don't think I will be gutted at all if he left, not like I would have been in 2010.
Rooney's average form started long before he was moved positions.
It's such 2+2=10 logic, and fits with the large, growing current of thought on here that everything that goes wrong is/was SAF's fault.
It's such 2+2=10 logic, and fits with the large, growing current of thought on here that everything that goes wrong is/was SAF's fault.
You're speculating that theres a difference between what he did 2 years ago and what he's doing now. We dont know that and it would seem to be wishful thinking
Trying to look for more money doesn't really require being overly calculated over cunning though. It's simple in many ways and may have been engineered by an agent who is looking for more money himself. It was clearly money last time too, despite what he said about ambition.
While I agree that he's immature and I certainly don't hate him, there's not a lot that's "likable" about him. He cheated on his own wife while she was pregnant and he's come across as a bit of a dick on a number of occasions with the previous transfer request etc. He's not necessarily a terrible person, but he's hardly a likable one either.
Honestly, look at these scenes, how can he leave this club?
he has no friends.
He seems to manage to be able to hide on the bus, havent spotted him on cam in ages.
To quote Gordon Gekko: "Greed is good".
Something I guess we all knew, but out of the 9 seasons he's been here, there's only been two where we've done better without him in the team on a points average. We need someone as productive as he can be to replace him if he goes, because he is honestly someone who does provide a lot more than we realise nowadays. If Moyes plays him up top with RvP and doesn't throw him about all over the pitch, maybe he will have a new desire to play for us again. I think he's approached this all wrong, and instead of asking to leave he should have asked Fergie to play him in his favourite position, because that seems to be the main issue.
From what I see, it's been a sort of chain reaction: Fergie experimented more with playing him in other positions->Rooney wasn't thriving being moved around as much-> Leads to a loss of confidence in his ability and doesn't put in the great performances we know he's capable of-> Leads Fergie to dropping him and subbing him off more frequently. I believe if Moyes gives him what he wants, then we benefit for the better. I don't buy into this "well Jones, Welbeck and Kagawa sacrifice themselves to play out of position, why can't Rooney?" He's 27, and pretty much at the peak of his powers, those 3 are below the age of 24 and many more years to develop. He is our main player, and a main player in a club doesn't play in 4 different positions in one season.
The problem is he's as thick as two short planks, and one small problem for him leads to a massive overreaction and ultimately to a stand off between him and the club. He should realise that there isn't anywhere to go from here, his family is settled in Manchester with a second kid on the way, at the start of this season many fans were beginning to fully forgive him (I think) and he's on course to become one of the all time leading goalscorers at Manchester United! How many more reasons do you need to stay? Day by day now he's been slowing digging his grave, first with asking to leave which was announced the day Fergie announces retirement, then with the denial of changing MUFC to @Nikeathlete instead of speaking about the rumours, then saying he didn't want to play Fergie's last game at OT. I'll be happy if he stays because I believe he's got so much more to give still, but with the player himself I don't think I will be gutted at all if he left, not like I would have been in 2010.
While the basic logic of that does show that we're better with Rooney than without, the problem is that some of the seasons where we've not done as well without him are unreliable. Can we really rely on a sample of 4 or 6 games in a season? Plus, while Rooney was known as a notorious workhorse in the Ronaldo days who contributed a lot more and could "put in a shift" when necessary, that's kind of disappeared to an extent this season. That desire he's often had in the past hasn't really been there recently and it's been painfully evident.
what did our win % with and without ronaldo look like?
Something I guess we all knew, but out of the 9 seasons he's been here, there's only been two where we've done better without him in the team on a points average. We need someone as productive as he can be to replace him if he goes, because he is honestly someone who does provide a lot more than we realise nowadays. If Moyes plays him up top with RvP and doesn't throw him about all over the pitch, maybe he will have a new desire to play for us again. I think he's approached this all wrong, and instead of asking to leave he should have asked Fergie to play him in his favourite position, because that seems to be the main issue.
From what I see, it's been a sort of chain reaction: Fergie experimented more with playing him in other positions->Rooney wasn't thriving being moved around as much-> Leads to a loss of confidence in his ability and doesn't put in the great performances we know he's capable of-> Leads Fergie to dropping him and subbing him off more frequently. I believe if Moyes gives him what he wants, then we benefit for the better. I don't buy into this "well Jones, Welbeck and Kagawa sacrifice themselves to play out of position, why can't Rooney?" He's 27, and pretty much at the peak of his powers, those 3 are below the age of 24 and many more years to develop. He is our main player, and a main player in a club doesn't play in 4 different positions in one season.
The problem is he's as thick as two short planks, and one small problem for him leads to a massive overreaction and ultimately to a stand off between him and the club. He should realise that there isn't anywhere to go from here, his family is settled in Manchester with a second kid on the way, at the start of this season many fans were beginning to fully forgive him (I think) and he's on course to become one of the all time leading goalscorers at Manchester United! How many more reasons do you need to stay? Day by day now he's been slowing digging his grave, first with asking to leave which was announced the day Fergie announces retirement, then with the denial of changing MUFC to @Nikeathlete instead of speaking about the rumours, then saying he didn't want to play Fergie's last game at OT. I'll be happy if he stays because I believe he's got so much more to give still, but with the player himself I don't think I will be gutted at all if he left, not like I would have been in 2010.
she was warned.
He would truly have lost his mind. Let him think about all this and then make a proper decision.
I would be shocked if we paid Rooney more than those 2 are paid. I just googled this one
http://www.businessinsider.com/highest-paid-soccer-players-2013-4?op=1
Though like most other lists, no one can comment on their reliability. Even here, Rooneys salary works out to close to $347,000 per week (17.8m/52), which is most probably bullshit?
On a side note...look at the estimated value of Beckhams endorsements!!!!
Those both include sponsorship, obviously no-one has a basic wage of £600+k a week.
Posted earlier:
http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/lawrenc...ighest-paid-football-players-per-week-updated
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/real_madrid/1346777676.html
I'd rather have Rooney than Pedro, Sanchez or Villa regardless of whether he'd be playing out of position and he'd surely be a better option than Fabregas playing as a striker.
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