A lack of wingers has secured a place in the starting lineup for Valencia whereas with Rooney position we have got other options.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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I think we should agree to his transfer request. I dont think we should keep a player against his will. We should appreciate his talent and if he want to leave then we shouldnt stand in his way.
I think Rooney has loads to offer and if he want to experience something new then we should accept that. It would be sad to lose a player of his calibre and quality.
I think Rooney has loads to offer and if he want to experience something new then we should accept that. It would be sad to lose a player of his calibre and quality.
I Dont agree. If we can convince him that we're the best club he can be at and can subsequently change his mind, that'l be best for both parties. We're unlikely to replace him with someone of similar quality for the 30 odd mil that I think we can get for him. He's still a top player. As Nev said, he's going through a dilemna and needs good advice. Letting him go should be the last option and one we should take only if he's dead set on leaving inspite of our efforts.
It could well be United are trying to force a sale. I know the club are saying he's not for sale, but that's the default position all clubs take when they want the best possible price for their asset. We have been linked a number over forwards over the last few months suggests this to be the case. If there is going to be a top signing we need the money and a need to slash something significant off the wage bill.
He is due a testimonial next year.
And go through this again in a couple of years? No thanks.
I honestly think this is highly likely.
Rooney has asked to leave, Ferguson has said this. I highly doubt this is a lie, and just a way to try force a sale.
Besides, if Rooney hasn't ask to leave he could just come out and say he hasn't.
Besides, if Rooney hasn't ask to leave he could just come out and say he hasn't.
That doesn't mean we didn't intend on selling him anyway. A few journalists have hinted at it, Fergie admitted interest in another expensive striker ans he's shunted Rooney about and basically given the impression of a decreased need for him nowadays.
He is at Manchester fecking United, if he doesn't know he's at the best club he can be at and has submitted a second transfer request then he's not worthy of being here any longer.
Once is a mistake, twice is unforgivable.
I don't see it to be honest. Unless he's done something behind the scenes to cement his exit, selling Rooney to fund another striker isn't very smart and a risk.
The only negative aspect of Rooney leaving is that he is our only "super-name" left in the club(I doubt RVP will attract players the same way mainly due to age and a much less marketed name). When Ronaldo left we were still very attractive on the transfer market we had the best 2 CB's in the world still here, Rooney, Berbatov, Evra, Carrick all with some years left in them.
Currently the name which has to attract young talents to United is Jones, Smalling, Evans, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Young. Unless we make these people much bigger stars then I can't see a young talent choosing us over Real/Barca for very fair reasons. I exclude RVP/Carrick/Vidic/Ferdinand/Giggs because a young talent will not just think about his first season but maybe his first 5 seasons.
Either he plays with Messi, Götze, Di Maria or he plays with Jones and Young. Seems like a very easy choice for any young superstar.
Currently the name which has to attract young talents to United is Jones, Smalling, Evans, Rafael, Cleverley, Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Young. Unless we make these people much bigger stars then I can't see a young talent choosing us over Real/Barca for very fair reasons. I exclude RVP/Carrick/Vidic/Ferdinand/Giggs because a young talent will not just think about his first season but maybe his first 5 seasons.
Either he plays with Messi, Götze, Di Maria or he plays with Jones and Young. Seems like a very easy choice for any young superstar.
He's out smoking and getting pissed, his performances have been far from great and he's our highest earner. I could write a dissertation on why he should be sold.
The only commonality is that you both have an employer - after that it's a completely different situation. I know plenty of people, myself included, in everyday jobs that have bosses that are sympathetic towards their needs. Especially some of their best assets - they'll bend a bit more than they would for others.
Besides, the comments from Fergie are not that he refused to play, he just wasn't in a good place mentally and we've seen many times just in football where players are left out because they are not in the right state of mind for the good of the team.
If a player is bothered about something like that then we don't want them. It's as simple as that.
Not sure if you guys were serious or mocking RAWK.
doubt it. all it'd take is him coming out and specifically saying he's never had a talk about leaving and SAF and the club would look like fools. Doubt we'd ever pull off such a stunt. I do agree that we'l have no problems selling if he desparately wants to leave, situation has changed from last time. we'l try our best to keep him but tough shit if we's hell bent on going. we'l flog him to the highest bidding foreign club.
You're both talking like fans here. Have you never felt disillusioned at work and thought of a new company? rooney's an everton lad, not a fan of united. Be it money or his role, he has every right to be disillusioned and wonder whether he'd be better off elsewhere. In such a case, both parties need to sit down and discuss rather than get emotional and feck him off on the cheap because it's next to impossible to get someone of his quality for 30mil and on cheap wages in the current market. We have to look at the business side of it too. selling him for 30mil in today's market where average players go for such amounts makes no sense.
Yes I have felt disillusioned at work. And then I remember all of the benefits of working for the company I work for and that I couldn't have it much better anywhere else at this stage.
That's the stage Rooney is at - he couldn't have it much better anywhere else right now. He has publically said before "could you really see me playing abroad?" and no, we couldn't - he just isn't intelligent enough to go and learn another language and adapt to another culture, surely? Leaving Man City (2nd, out of Europe early doors) and Chelsea (3rd, in the Europa League) - neither of whom are anywhere near as big a club as he is currently at. They could, however, give him a big fat payrise. But if all about money he may as well just go and play for Monaco and earn a tax-less fortune.
I could see him in Paris. Plenty of English speakers about, certainly not much pressure to learn French. Cosmopolitan city. Only a few hours to London. Its hardly the same as going to play in China. Even Spain, which would be far more alien culturally. Paris is barely even abroad.
Just fecking sell him. One time can be forgiven, two times no.
Which is perhaps why he needs to sit down with his family/close ones with a clear head and give this another thought. he isnt smart enough to take in everything and make the correct call on his own.
I dont see anything wrong in keeping him if his family or us convince him and he gives us our best. As i said, makes no sense to feck him off for 30mil just because we get emotional. we'l never replace him with someone of similar quality for a similar price.
I think Rooney's destiny with the club was sealed the day he made that interview. At that point all efforts had been made to make him expendable.
But there will be other times you 'perhaps' won't be able to remember the benefits of working for your company or something similar to that effect. The point is Rooney has been a world class player for us for 9 seasons - he deserves a bit more credit and leeway than he is getting on here IMO.
Yes - objectively speaking he probably cannot have it much better anywhere else right now. But that's what he needs to see for himself, and of course this process can be fast-tracked through the help of his family, friends and colleagues giving him advice.
I'd be very surprised if Rooney and Moyes have patched things up as is reported. Some of the things Rooney said about Moyes are awful; he's shown him zero respect since leaving Everton.
Anyway, the problem here is Rooney. I actually can't understand why he would ask for a transfer, it's a moronic decision but we've got to take into account that he is not the brightest and can be easily led. He's also got a bit of an ego by all accounts which doesn't help. He will most likely leave in my opinion and we will be losing an excellent player.
It won't be long before he realises he's made a massive mistake (especially if he goes abroad) but even if he changes his mind the fans won't trust him after this, he's single handedly ruining his own legacy here.
Anyway, the problem here is Rooney. I actually can't understand why he would ask for a transfer, it's a moronic decision but we've got to take into account that he is not the brightest and can be easily led. He's also got a bit of an ego by all accounts which doesn't help. He will most likely leave in my opinion and we will be losing an excellent player.
It won't be long before he realises he's made a massive mistake (especially if he goes abroad) but even if he changes his mind the fans won't trust him after this, he's single handedly ruining his own legacy here.
Really?
Last time I checked the likes of van Persie, Mata, Silva, Suarez to name just 4, were signed for far less than £30m by English clubs.
I think this may well be the case, as soon as Rooney was left out of the line up for Real I thought that Fergie might be pushing him out of the door by the summer. He has done similar before with other very good players once he decides it is time to move on (ince, stam, beckham, rvn etc).
People will argue about how well he has played this season and how vital he is to the team. While he has obviously had a significant contribution to our title win, personally I think he has had quite an average season (by his own high standards) and it is possible that we have already seen his best years.
At 27 years of age and with 2 years left on his contact, now would be a good time to cash in on him and reinvest for the future.
*yawn* Is he still here?
Rooney has to consider that his career path does not run parallel with most others, he hit the top younger than many and once there went out onto the pitch with a very intensive playing style. That latter quality saw him to much success but it also brings with it side effects. The club cannot guarantee that he will be used in one position on the pitch, it would not only set him above team mates but be a waste of what he can contribute. Moreover the consensus is that he will burnout sooner rather than later and his inability to take physical conditioning seriously will only hasten his decline.
If Wayne chooses to take a noticeable pay cut and accept reality he might have a slight chance. Better professionals than he have fought to serve United over the years, he could also have thought of Scholes and Fletcher when compared to him and his supposed travails.
Be it greed or that he has he lost the fight, either way Rooney is of diminishing use to us.
Rooney has to consider that his career path does not run parallel with most others, he hit the top younger than many and once there went out onto the pitch with a very intensive playing style. That latter quality saw him to much success but it also brings with it side effects. The club cannot guarantee that he will be used in one position on the pitch, it would not only set him above team mates but be a waste of what he can contribute. Moreover the consensus is that he will burnout sooner rather than later and his inability to take physical conditioning seriously will only hasten his decline.
If Wayne chooses to take a noticeable pay cut and accept reality he might have a slight chance. Better professionals than he have fought to serve United over the years, he could also have thought of Scholes and Fletcher when compared to him and his supposed travails.
Be it greed or that he has he lost the fight, either way Rooney is of diminishing use to us.
Payrise is one thing but, your big reason for him to stay seem again come from a fan perspective. At either of the clubs you mentioned he theoretically could be the main man again - which is an important thing from a personal . career. Also as you mentioned those are clubs that have not had the best of seasons and maybe he can see himself as the key piece to landing silverware and thus a bigger/more motivating challenge.
Seems most here are well balanced human beings, they'd easily handle the situation Rooney finds himself in now. Which is after several years of playing 2nd fiddle and then finally becoming the main man and leading the organization to glory, then not all of a sudden again.
He is such an ass for not being able to better handle the situation. I mean he had the audacity to go have a private conversation with his manager and discuss if it might be better for him to go elsewhere - what an absolute cnut.
Fergie is obviously doing Moyes' bidding here in his twisted plot to get revenge on Rooney.
I think Rooney should stay and see what happens between him and Moyes, but if he still thinks that United is not the best place for him, then he should just go and Bayern Munich looking the likelier club IMO
Do Everton receive a sell on fee?
25% of anything over £27m.
So 25% of £3million, should we get £30million?
Yeah that's right.
I think you have a future in writing guide books.
A guide to Paris.
It's essentially your back garden.
We really don't want this to linger for most if not all of the summer and overshadow more important transfer business. If either we want ot sell or he ahs forced us into it best to deal with it early, and besides Moyes needn't be officially in the job to be involved in the decision.
Is Rooney with all his hang-ups and perceived entitlements worth having around in the long run. has he demonstrated the sort of qualities that should lead us to commit to him with yet another massive contract virtually up to retirement?
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