Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Rood said:
I think this may well be the case, as soon as Rooney was left out of the line up for Real I thought that Fergie might be pushing him out of the door by the summer. He has done similar before with other very good players once he decides it is time to move on (ince, stam, beckham, rvn etc).

People will argue about how well he has played this season and how vital he is to the team. While he has obviously had a significant contribution to our title win, personally I think he has had quite an average season (by his own high standards) and it is possible that we have already seen his best years.

At 27 years of age and with 2 years left on his contact, now would be a good time to cash in on him and reinvest for the future.
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Totally agree (with everything you've said in this thread).

Our biggest problem will be getting a decent fee for him. Rooney isn't going to take a pay cut to leave and so it's going to cost someone around £60m to give him the 5 year deal that he will probably want.

I really can't imagine any team without a rich benefactor biting to be honest.
 
Adebesi said:
If you want to help facilitate that, I am happy to summarise cities or countries for you, clearly and succinctly, for money. That would help me build up my portfolio. And will furnish you with useful information on places you might like to visit.
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I'm in. We could call them 'The egg and chips guides to places you might like to go'. The twist will be that at the end of every one, you'll say something like "So if you're thinking of going to Cairo, I wouldn't bother, because Chelmsford is essentially the same thing".
 
You took the words out of my mouth. Want to see the pyramids? Simply put a PG Tip tea bag on the table and pretend you are looking at a pyramid from far away, thereby saving an air fare, uncomfortable heat and the risk of being caught up in the Arab Spring.
 
Adebesi said:
You took the words out of my mouth. Want to see the pyramids? Simply put a PG Tip tea bag on the table and pretend you are looking at a pyramid from far away, thereby saving an air fare, uncomfortable heat and the risk of being caught up in the Arab Spring.
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Or, as happened to me, some scamming oik that trots you down some corridor that ends knee deep in shit because its the one the market boys use as a bog and does a runner with your money whilst your wifes going mental about what she just stepped in.
 
JB7 said:
But if all about money he may as well just go and play for Monaco and earn a tax-less fortune.
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I think French Football Federation changed the rules so that all teams/players playing in Ligue 1 have to pay tax to the French government, including Monaco. Monaco are reportedly very unhappy about it, but all the other teams wanted to eliminate this unfair advantage they have. Players like Ibrahimovich who are on net contracts, are going to cost Monaco a fortune.
 
Varun_Utd said:
I Dont agree. If we can convince him that we're the best club he can be at and can subsequently change his mind, that'l be best for both parties. We're unlikely to replace him with someone of similar quality for the 30 odd mil that I think we can get for him. He's still a top player. As Nev said, he's going through a dilemna and needs good advice. Letting him go should be the last option and one we should take only if he's dead set on leaving inspite of our efforts.
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We can sign someone with great potential for that amount though. Chelsea bought hazard for a similar amount. He's going to be some player. Bayern got gotze for the same amount. He's probably the best young player around. Heck, Liverpool got Suarez for less didnt they?

I don't think we need to spend time convincing him. How many years are left on his contract? Didnt he sign one two years back? I doubt he'd risk us ruining what should be the best years of his career so were in a fairly strong position. He should look at his own performances IMO and instead of acting like a child. Like fergie said, he wouldn't have been subbed/dropped if he was playing at his best. Clearly the manager isn't happy with his performances. He should convince him through performances rather than giving up and wanting to move.
 
I personally want him to go. I was impartial before this whole new twist, but I don't think it looks good to the club that he is able to repeatedly threaten to leave, which then causes us to run around begging him and convincing him that we are a gret club after all. And of course giving him some extra cash while we are at it.

If, after 9 years, which has included several league titles, 3 CL finals, not to mention loads of money - he is undecided then let him go. It doesn't look goof for us to bend over for him. I hope the side affect of us being this huge corporate slag isn't that share prices and popularity are factors in considering whether to sell players. I can appreciate that our brand will further suffer should he leave, but he can't keep slapping us about.

I do think we may try to push the boat out and get a real superstar though, should he go. Firstly, the team will be weakened, quite a bit at that. Secondly, we may try to replace his off the field significance. Ronaldo coming home will obviously be perfect on both fronts, and Bale could do something similar. Outside them, I think if there was a time to pay the £45m-odd for Neymar, it could be this summer. I think he has huge potential, obviously, and can develop into a world-class goal threat, but the men in suits may also find the idea of having the next global superstar playing for us too good to refuse.
 
Rozay said:
I personally want him to go. I was impartial before this whole new twist, but I don't think it looks good to the club that he is able to repeatedly threaten to leave, which then causes us to run around begging him and convincing him that we are a gret club after all. And of course giving him some extra cash while we are at it.

If, after 9 years, which has included several league titles, 3 CL finals, not to mention loads of money - he is undecided then let him go. It doesn't look goof for us to bend over for him. I hope the side affect of us being this huge corporate slag isn't that share prices and popularity are factors in considering whether to sell players. I can appreciate that our brand will further suffer should he leave, but he can't keep slapping us about.

I do think we may try to push the boat out and get a real superstar though, should he go. Firstly, the team will be weakened, quite a bit at that. Secondly, we may try to replace his off the field significance. Ronaldo coming home will obviously be perfect on both fronts, and Bale could do something similar. Outside them, I think if there was a time to pay the £45m-odd for Neymar, it could be this summer. I think he has huge potential, obviously, and can develop into a world-class goal threat, but the men in suits may also find the idea of having the next global superstar playing for us too good to refuse.
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Exactly, you bully or get bullied... I don't much like being bullied...
 
Varun_Utd said:
Which is perhaps why he needs to sit down with his family/close ones with a clear head and give this another thought. he isnt smart enough to take in everything and make the correct call on his own.

I dont see anything wrong in keeping him if his family or us convince him and he gives us our best. As i said, makes no sense to feck him off for 30mil just because we get emotional. we'l never replace him with someone of similar quality for a similar price.
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This is the part that is slightly misleading.

If we "feck him off" for £30m instead of offering him say a 2 year extension that'll be, the difference would be £80m over a 4 year contract. We could offer £55m for a player with £125k a year for the same duration, or £50m with £150k a week.

Very few players outside of Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern would be unavailable with those funds (Bale or Wilshere anyone?). Plus as is often the case the chances are we'd strengthen a different area of the pitch to compensate. A top quality midfielder who wasn't as good as Rooney would give us a better squad overall.
 
If we take him back we open the door to Wayne and other players taking the piss in the next couple of seasons like we did last time he asked to leave. We'll be fine without him and much better off having players who know they arent bigger than the club, rather than causing problems every couple of years knowing we're a soft touch

What happens when Rafael and De Gea follow Rooney's lead?
 
There's no turning back now for Rooney surely. If he comes out to say he's changed his mind again, it'd be laughable.
 
Can we just trade him for Fabregas? Or at least just get Fabregas? If we let Rooney go and buy Fabregas I'm almost positive we'd be better off than before. Fabregas.
 
he's got to be gone alright. can you imagine if you employed someone that threatened to resign, twice?

so, it looks like we'll have to replace him and Scholes.
 
Is it complete wishful thinking to hope that if we were to sell him, we use the fee to help fund bringing Ronaldo home?
 
rolandofgilead said:
Is it complete wishful thinking to hope that if we were to sell him, we use the fee to help fund bringing Ronaldo home?
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Yes, very wishful thinking.

I think people need move the feck on when it comes to Ronaldo. Absolutely nothing points to him coming back at this stage in his career.
 
Does anyone remember the number of times Ferguson flew here and there to persuade Cantona to stay? He was a similar character to Rooney in some ways. Led by his emotions and somewhat inconsistent with them.

Looking back in hindsight I have never heard one person claim that it made him or the club look weak.
 
Bilbo said:
Does anyone remember the number of times Ferguson flew here and there to persuade Cantona to stay? He was a similar character to Rooney in some ways. Led by his emotions and somewhat inconsistent with them.

Looking back in hindsight I have never heard one person claim that it made him or the club look weak.
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Massive difference!!!! Don't even go there
 
Bilbo said:
Does anyone remember the number of times Ferguson flew here and there to persuade Cantona to stay? He was a similar character to Rooney in some ways. Led by his emotions and somewhat inconsistent with them.

Looking back in hindsight I have never heard one person claim that it made him or the club look weak.
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I think the emotions and motives were very very different in Cantona's case. He wasn't sulking about losing his place, or motivated by money.
 
Ekeke said:
If we take him back we open the door to Wayne and other players taking the piss in the next couple of seasons like we did last time he asked to leave. We'll be fine without him and much better off having players who know they arent bigger than the club, rather than causing problems every couple of years knowing we're a soft touch

What happens when Rafael and De Gea follow Rooney's lead?
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I'm fine with us taking him back provided we don't cave in to some ridiculous wage demands again. He was worth it last time, he's not anymore.
 
utdalltheway said:
he's got to be gone alright. can you imagine if you employed someone that threatened to resign, twice?

so, it looks like we'll have to replace him and Scholes.
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George Best ran away twice and missed games he should have been playing in, just to feck an actress and a model.

he has a statue outside Old Trafford.

If he does the business on the pitch, history wont care about the rest.
 
I think, in fairness, Cantona was a lot less thick than Rooney.

And I think, in fairness, Cantona never handed in a transfer request.

Although I agree with your general point, do we expect United to manage Rooney's fragile mind or not? That is the question.
 
He obviously wants to leave so we'll most probably let him leave. He's had over 2 years to "think it through" since his last "I want to leave" outburst so I doubt he's too confused about what he wants for the future. Even if does suffer from being "hotheaded" or "emotional" or whatever he has family and friends around who could level him out if they wanted to.

Let's get him sold to the highest bidder. Perhaps we should buy someone else first then hold on to him until we get a nice high price. PSG have money now and they're desperate for big names to increase their status in world football. He can go there for £40 million. :)
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Geroge Best ran away twice and missed games he should have been playing in, just to feck an actress and a model.

he has a statue outside Old Trafford.

If he does the business on the pitch, history wont care about the rest.
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This is all true. And George Best never exactly did anything to help Busby's successor. Maybe if we have learned anything, to avoid history repeating itself, its that trouble makers are not needed under our new manager.
 
Rozay said:
I personally want him to go. I was impartial before this whole new twist, but I don't think it looks good to the club that he is able to repeatedly threaten to leave, which then causes us to run around begging him and convincing him that we are a gret club after all. And of course giving him some extra cash while we are at it.

If, after 9 years, which has included several league titles, 3 CL finals, not to mention loads of money - he is undecided then let him go. It doesn't look goof for us to bend over for him. I hope the side affect of us being this huge corporate slag isn't that share prices and popularity are factors in considering whether to sell players. I can appreciate that our brand will further suffer should he leave, but he can't keep slapping us about.
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Jaybezia said:
Exactly, you bully or get bullied... I don't much like being bullied...
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I agree with this. I have no more patience or admiration of Rooney left.

Especially after his contract negotiations in 2010, he is now causing turmoil and holding the club hostage. Things will never be the same even if he does end up staying and I don't think I would ever support him as a player anymore. Please sell him and be done with it
 
Rowem said:
I'm fine with us taking him back provided we don't cave in to some ridiculous wage demands again. He was worth it last time, he's not anymore.
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So when Rafael and De Gea do the same thing in the summer or a year from now, you'll be happy enough as long as they only get their wages bumped once. And when they do it the next time you'll take them back but as long as they dont get another wage bump?
 
Cantona was upset about how he was dealt with by the FA in 1995 and didn't want to play football again!!

Cantona then retired in 1997 and stated he could never play for anyone else again!

Massive difference
 
Again, its completely different to the time where Cantona went off kilter. If he did the same thing right now in our current squad, we'd be fine without him. At the time we needed his experience and didnt have players of the same quality to carry on if he left (RVP)
 
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