Course he would be a major loss. Cop the feck on.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Course he would be a major loss. Cop the feck on.
Oh hello Mr. Paul Stretford. Is your bank balance running low these days?
How many times do you want to say PUBLIC TRANSFER request, before you finally cop on that the only people making any transfer request public were the club themselves?
No, we dont. I dont. Maybe that is the key distinction being missed here. Maybe the whole conversation was incredibly casual, hypothetical almost. Seems harsh for SAF to out him for what could be essentially the former the scenarios I suggested above. That doesnt - from the outside looking in and with limited information - look like particularly great man management, does it? Looks to me more like forcing his hand. By putting this in the public domain he has surely increased the chances Rooney will leave, will feel he has to to save face, will feel the fans will turn on him, whatever. If he just floated the idea that he might possibly want to leave if things didnt change, that would seem to be a private conversation best dealt with privately. Its not like SAF has a full disclosure, total transparency policy with the press.
I think a pretty good indication of how important Rooney is, or isn't, to the team is the reaction by the fans in general. In 2010 I was bricking it, now I don't give a feck weather he stays or goes.
Far from being 'selfish', what comes across for me is that Sir Alex cares about Rooney's career. Yes, SAF's priority is Manchester United but like Gary Nev yesterday, you can tell he actually wants what's best for Wayne as well as for the club. Both his words & Nev's hint at their concern for Rooney's future life-direction, and his need to listen to the right advice. Wenger is much the same, only sometimes he's too indulgent of his charges, to the detriment of Arsenal.
Stuck with Arsenal... They stuck with him whilst he was out injured for 6 years, and he fecked off first chance he got. He had the opportunity to contribute to Arsenal winning a trophy, to become a legend at the club, but he refused to sign a contract and knew they'd have to sell him with 1 year left on his deal for less than they could get, and he ignored their wishes to sell him abroad, instead insisting on crossing over one of the biggest rivalries in the Premier League era.. But that's makes him a stand up guy because they were on a barren run, and Rooney's a cnut because his club's won the league.. Seems logical.
Rooney's stopped trying
Regularly papped eating burgers
Honestly, the shit people come out with, surely you lot have enough ammunition to use against him instead of bringing up the fact he went for a meal 2 nights before a match (with Evans), 18 months ago, and therefore claiming he has a serial boozing problem.
Did I call Rooney a cnut you moron?
He is a teenage little girl who is insecure.
Don't kid yourself, no one here is totally objective and everyone has their own bias which influences their POV. Some think Rooney has done little wrong and is still a vital player for us (in fact there is even the odd loony who seems to think that Rooney has actually been hard done by), others (myself included) feel his behaviour off the pitch is unacceptable and that his performance on the pitch are not good enough to make up for it so he can pack his bags and leave ASAP. Of course, there are many shades of grey inbetween.
Anyway Im a bit suprised if you think I was getting wound up or being hostile to anyone. I thought it was a good natured discussion, I mean I havent even got round to calling anyone a cnut yet, not even Rooney
and for the record I have not told anyone they are niave for not agreeing with me about Rooney's behaviour - you should respond directly to my points in any of my posts you disagree with as you seem to have got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the way.
I pretty much agree with your last paragraph anyway but the fact is that every fan is going to have their own opinion of what is and isnt acceptable from a player. I dont expect anyone to agree with my personal opinion but I am still going to put it out there and explain my rationale. For the likes of you to go around telling people they are knee jerk and irrational for calling Rooney a cnut is actually as knee jerk and irrational as the original opinion.
and BTW Mockney, you are an epic cnut
If I was Stretford, I would have said, "United tend to get contracts sorted inside the last 12 months. So you have a year to play out of your skin and be indispensable, and then we will get you a great new contract. If you want to stay, we should be able to get you decent terms if you play well. If you want to leave, you will be in your last year, so you will be able to leave relatively cheap, and pocket the difference in the transfer fee in wages. Either way, we will be able to get you a better deal in a year than we can now, especially if you have a great season, given you have just come off the back of a season where you didnt play your best football, and appear to be expendable."
But then perhaps thats why Im not the agent, maybe I just dont get it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-United-two-years-after-transfer-request.html
In love with United as long as he's #1 but when things get difficult...
This is one of the big differences for me between Rooney and Ronaldo when the two are compared. Ronaldo never hid his ambition to play in Spain and for someone of his culture it was always likely to happen. Rooney is different.
United would never let Rooney's contract get to a year. He is too valuable an asset to let go for next to nothing. At absolute most we might not sort his contract out in the Summer and give him a January ultimatum. Not to mention that in a years time Rooney will be nearly 29, if he had another indifferent season he'd be in a much worse position.
The fact is Stretford doesn't usually act like the common sense approach that you have suggested. He has a history of going nuclear for his/Rooney's financial gain.
Bear in mind from the agents point of view, the best case scenario is the club hold firm and he is sold. He will then get a nice slice of a big transfer fee.
Isnt that our stated policy with contract renewals? Letting them get into the final year? Hence curbing wage inflation, I thought was the point. I havent verified this, just what I read and understood to be the case.
They do with players over 30, I've never known a younger player to go that far into a deal as we tend not to give huge wages straight away, letting the player earn bigger contracts. Obviously Nani is getting into his final year now which I can't remember happening with a player that age for a while.
It's surprise me if we let Rooney hit that final year.
Sell him.
All users with the name Rooney or anything related to Rooney get banned upon his sale.
Your attachment to Rooney is worrysome. Fergie signed the best striker in the league and we won the league. Mancini even said that had they signed Rvp, they'd have the edge (or something like that). But you'd rather see us not sign City (hence making City much stronger) just so you can see Rooney happy. Posters like you clearly support the player more than the club, and it's weird.
I wonder where does he want to go? He is our top earner as well, hard to imagine he wants to get a better paycheck either.
Keys is backtracking. He said there was no way that Rooney asked for a transfer despite it being on very good authority in the first place. When it was confirmed by SAF, he decided to stick with his view rather than fessing up that he didn't really know in the first place.
Richard Keys is such a fecking wanker.
Bang on. I'm really impressed with what Neville had to say about Rooney's situation. I think he is 100% spot on. My respect for the Neville has gone up after that.
Rooney is going through a mid-life crisis in football somewhat - some might say, again, just three years after he wanted to leave prior. But I think it's important he sorts himself out mentally otherwise it could be downhill for him as far as his career is concerned.
He just needs the right people to guide him through this turbulent period - his family, his friends, perhaps other legends from other football clubs not necessarily from Utd.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22502958
SAF saying that Rooney was not keen on playing, so he refused to play.
If I did that at work , I would be suspended and more than likely sacked.
SAF saying that Rooney was not keen on playing, so he refused to play.
If I did that at work , I would be suspended and more than likely sacked.
He is a grade A first class prick, just wants to get a bit of limelight and chat shot about something he knows nothing about.
I did it. On the day SAF's retirement went public. And the day we got knocked out the CL. I refused to do any work. Luckily I am my own boss, and I was very tolerant of my behaviour.
yeah but he is not his own boss, and if you're asked to work and you say you don't feel like it, you are going to be asked again and if you say the same, you are refusing to play.
You're probably not far wrong there, that and I reckon Rooney is just a bit dumb. In fact he's probably down right thick.
The reality is he has been played on the wing, in midfield and upfront at different stages in his career. Ferguson has always done that, so Rooney's most recent transfer request smacks of a lad who is fecked off with the manager. I reckon there is a personality clash with him and Ferguson. He's been playing shite and strikes me as a fella with a very fragile mind.
If he is sold, so be it. But I don't think he will be. I just hope he doesn't cause problems for Moyes. If he does we may have a serious case of history repeating at United, where Busby's successors were undermined by Best....
You've got to admire Sir Alex.
"a Wayne Rooney in top form wouldn't be taken off."
"a Wayne Rooney in top form wouldn't be taken off."
But whoscored statistics and subjective views on the Redcafe forum say he's been good enough form?
He may very well be. Or he might be ill-advised by his agent as well. I won't put it past him, being a Scouse (no offense to others
).He was used to hearing his name chanted by the supporters till the previous seasons. This season, things changed. We have RvP now and people are more interested in him atm leaving Rooney in the backside. And what happens, he comes with a little bitchfit of his, not even sitting in the dugout during the match. This "being played out of position" is just an excuse. How many games has he played out of position?! For the past 3 seasons, he has been playing as a SS/AM... he didn't have a problem then. And now he does? Bullshit.
He kept playing Valencia even though he has been in horrible form.
Valencia probably isn't on £250,000 a week
He probably wants Rooney gone himself. We could improve the team with the money we'd get.
I dont think its bullshit. There are two strands to this "out of position" business. Playing behind the striker is to some extent "out of position", though not to the extent it should give him a huge problem on its own. He had an outstanding period as the main striker, settled into that role and was successful doing it, enough that he mustve been surprised to lose the spot. But still. Once "in the hole" was thought to be his best position, so fair enough, he tries to adapt. He plays well in that position in the early part of the season from what I recall. Not setting the world alight necessarily, but encouraging signs for his partnership with RVP.
But then in the later stages of the season you have his move into midfield. I assume that is the major problem for him, just a guess obviously but given what is happening, a reasonable one I think. Sure it was only for a month or so, but it was quite consistent in the final games of the season, enough to make you (more importantly, him) wonder if it was part of the longer term plan. Modern teams play with one up front, RVP looks to be that one. Many have come to similar conclusions on here. Does he want to play in midfield? Presumably not, given this fuss.
If it was just the move back into the hole, that would be one thing. But the midfield change, though relatively short lived (so far), casts it in a new light, really. Not to mention everything that has happened over the past 6 or 7 seasons. Maybe he just doesnt want to be the "versatile" one anymore.
It makes more sense to me than he is trying to squeeze more money out of us, anyway.
But then in the later stages of the season you have his move into midfield. I assume that is the major problem for him, just a guess obviously but given what is happening, a reasonable one I think. Sure it was only for a month or so, but it was quite consistent in the final games of the season, enough to make you (more importantly, him) wonder if it was part of the longer term plan. Modern teams play with one up front, RVP looks to be that one. Many have come to similar conclusions on here. Does he want to play in midfield? Presumably not, given this fuss.
If it was just the move back into the hole, that would be one thing. But the midfield change, though relatively short lived (so far), casts it in a new light, really. Not to mention everything that has happened over the past 6 or 7 seasons. Maybe he just doesnt want to be the "versatile" one anymore.
It makes more sense to me than he is trying to squeeze more money out of us, anyway.
What does that have to do with anything?
All our wingers were in horrible form, perhaps he should have played Rooney in Valencias place? All that'd bring is more "out of position" bitching.
If he wants to be the biggest paid player at the club he should play like it.
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