Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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RDCR07 said:
So you dont actually have an exact number. You THINK he is earning 250k per week and you judge him based on that? He maybe the top earner in team but still we dont know how much. So to blindly say he is amongst the top 3 earners in the world is not right.
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http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/real_madrid/1346777676.html

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/lawrenc...ighest-paid-football-players-per-week-updated

Most source state that although the likes of Beckham, Messi and Ronaldo earn more through sponsorships, Rooney's salary is higher. They all have him somewhere between £225 - £250k per week.

Either way he is paid more than any other player in the League despite not performing as such.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Ferguson said 'I think he should go away and think it over again'. Generally he's been pragmatic when concerning transfer requests, it's the not first time he's told a player to go away and think it over. I'd like to think it's just common sense. Unless Moyes carry grudges he'll act in the same way, it'd make more sense for Moyes to keep Rooney than sell him and weaken the team.
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I agree. I think people who know Rooney well see him as an impressionable man, not the brightest obviously, who perhaps sometimes loses his focus.

He seems to have a settled home life so the discontent comes from his football career. It hasn't been the best season for him, but its so easy to turn it around.

For me, if he was dead-set on leaving the club he wouldn't have been out there at all yesterday.
 
it all sounds like a bit of petulance from Rooney

I honestly don't think he wants to leave

it sounds like he is pissed off at being shunted about, playing on the left, substituted regularly.

at the end of the day you don't hear Welbeck, Kagawa or Hernandez moaning about not getting opportunities so regardless of what Rooney thinks he should accept the managers decision and get on with it.

I think he doesnt want to leave, he'll talk it over with Moyes who will tell him how important he is and it will be happy families again

I want next season to be a defining one for Rooney, for him to be very fit at the start of the season and to step up and be consistently brilliant

if he knuckles down and gets focused I think he can do it. You have to question the intelligence of the guy - you can only blame Streford so much - Rooney is the one making the stupid immature decisions
 
finneh said:
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/real_madrid/1346777676.html

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/lawrenc...ighest-paid-football-players-per-week-updated

Most source state that although the likes of Beckham, Messi and Ronaldo earn more through sponsorships, Rooney's salary is higher. They all have him somewhere between £225 - £250k per week.

Either way he is paid more than any other player in the League despite not performing as such.
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You're totally speculating here really. RvP was reportedly on the same wages as Rooney when he joined the club. I've heard "sources" and newspapers claim as low as £150k and as high as £300k regarding Rooney, nobody has a clue.
 
finneh said:
http://www.marca.com/2012/09/04/en/football/real_madrid/1346777676.html

http://www.ftbpro.com/posts/lawrenc...ighest-paid-football-players-per-week-updated

Most source state that although the likes of Beckham, Messi and Ronaldo earn more through sponsorships, Rooney's salary is higher. They all have him somewhere between £225 - £250k per week.

Either way he is paid more than any other player in the League despite not performing as such.
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So again its speculation. All media bollocks.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
Ferguson said 'I think he should go away and think it over again'. Generally he's been pragmatic when concerning transfer requests, it's the not first time he's told a player to go away and think it over. I'd like to think it's just common sense. Unless Moyes carry grudges he'll act in the same way, it'd make more sense for Moyes to keep Rooney than sell him and weaken the team.
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It would only weaken the team if he sold him and then banked on the transfer fee, I am certain that the money will be reinvested into the squad so Moyes can strengthen in other areas. As for Moyes carrying a grudge, a couple of years ago he said that he had put it all behind him and moved on, don't really know if his opinion will change now that he has to work him again. For all we know it might be Rooney who feels he can't work with Moyes.
 
What realistically do we think is happening then? I've been away for a few as I thought Cafian life would explode, reading this thread has confirmed this...

Why are people angry at Rooney? He was an everton supporter tbf, too many red glasses in here, I'm not sure whether its money or genuinely a new challenge though as I believe I read he was still in two minds himself? Surely if that was the case, it would be money, as you'd know if you wanted/ needed a new challenge?
 
Wages aren't solely down to performances, quite a chunk of what Rooney earns would be because of his shirt sales, and the merchandise United sell with his name/face on it etc. Bar RvP and Kagawa(Asian market) he is our best moneymaker, and he deserves a portion of that.
 
Cina said:
You're totally speculating here really. RvP was reportedly on the same wages as Rooney when he joined the club. I've heard "sources" and newspapers claim as low as £150k and as high as £300k regarding Rooney, nobody has a clue.
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If I had to wager, my money would say that he is in the top 7 paid players in the Premier League, but not the top 3.

I reckon Toure, Aguero & Terry are paid more. Lampard, Tevez and RVP there or thereabouts.
 
Red Shorts said:
Wages aren't solely down to performances, quite a chunk of what Rooney earns would be because of his shirt sales, and the merchandise United sell with his name/face on it etc. Bar RvP and Kagawa(Asian market) he is our best moneymaker, and he deserves a portion of that.
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Rooney is the fourth most marketable athlete in the world (behind Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo), and our most widely advertised player. he appears in so many ads and such for the club and is involved in so much marketing, it's natural that this comes into his wages too.

I really don't see the problem here, if a club like ours deems his wages appropriate to his overall contribution, then that's ok with me.
 
Red Shorts said:
Wages aren't solely down to performances, quite a chunk of what Rooney earns would be because of his shirt sales, and the merchandise United sell with his name/face on it etc. Bar RvP and Kagawa(Asian market) he is our best moneymaker, and he deserves a portion of that.
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Putting my feelings about him aside, who on EARTH would buy or wear merchandise with that face on it, unless you happen to love the Goonies and cannt find a Sloth t shirt in your size!
 
Bilbo said:
I really don't believe that we have seen anywhere near enough this season from Kagawa to suggest that he is the player to fill Rooneys boots should he leave.
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This is the strange part, people thinking Kagawa can come in and seamlessly replace Rooney when I have seen nothing from Kagawa so far to suggest he's going to be able to that
 
Cina said:
Rooney is the fourth most marketable athlete in the world (behind Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo), and our most widely advertised player. he appears in so many ads and such for the club and is involved in so much marketing, it's natural that this comes into his wages too.

I really don't see the problem here, if a club like ours deems his wages appropriate to his overall contribution, then that's ok with me.
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Cina, I have missed all this, you're usually fairly in the loop with a head on your shoulders, Do you think he does want out or is it just about money? I didn't how much had been confirmed...
 
hp88 said:
It would only weaken the team if he sold him and then banked on the transfer fee, I am certain that the money will be reinvested into the squad so Moyes can strengthen in other areas. As for Moyes carrying a grudge, a couple of years ago he said that he had put it all behind him and moved on, don't really know if his opinion will change now that he has to work him again. For all we know it might be Rooney who feels he can't work with Moyes.
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I doubt Rooney knew Moyes'd be in charge come July, when he put in his transfer request. Anyway let's see what Moyes does, it'll be his first real test at Manchester United.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Putting my feelings about him aside, who on EARTH would buy or wear merchandise with that face on it, unless you happen to love the Goonies and cannt find a Sloth t shirt in your size!
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God knows, I haven't met someone who would. But I know there are many out there that would, and I'm not going to stop and ask them why.
 
According to Richard Keys (reading another article I think) the whole thing is Fergie's doing. Apparently Rooney hasn't asked for a transfer and Fergie's concocted the whole story. Why the feck anyone would do v that is beyond me.
 
Goooose said:
According to Richard Keys (reading another article I think) the whole thing is Fergie's doing. Apparently Rooney hasn't asked for a transfer and Fergie's concocted the whole story. Why the feck anyone would do v that is beyond me.
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Link?
 
Goooose said:
According to Richard Keys (reading another article I think) the whole thing is Fergie's doing. Apparently Rooney hasn't asked for a transfer and Fergie's concocted the whole story. Why the feck anyone would do v that is beyond me.
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Since being on TalkSport Richard Keys has a habit of making up these kind of stories, it's as if he guesses them then if it comes true he can say "you heard it here first" where as if it doesn't it kind of just gets forgotten about. I swear I've heard him do a couple other ones about players and transfers.
 
Listening to Talksport now, Richard Keys banging on about it being Fergie's doing. Why the feck would Fergie make something like that up just to create an issue? Have a word Keys you bellend.
 
Cina said:
You're totally speculating here really. RvP was reportedly on the same wages as Rooney when he joined the club. I've heard "sources" and newspapers claim as low as £150k and as high as £300k regarding Rooney, nobody has a clue.
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RDCR07 said:
So again its speculation. All media bollocks.
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Of course it's speculation. Unless he posts his pay packet you could say he is paid minimum wage. Lets be realistic about it though, he held the club to ransom and essentially "won". Everyone at the time was aware that he made himself the best paid player in the team by some margin (prior to RVP of course)

Anyone who thinks Rooney isn't our highest paid player and probably the highest in the League after his hissy fit is probably in denial. They are also probably the same people that were laughing at City for paying Aguero reportedly around £180k and Toure £200-220k. But I'm guessing the media were correct when reporting City's high wages and merely "speculating" when reporting Rooney's.
 
Jaybezia said:
Cina, I have missed all this, you're usually fairly in the loop with a head on your shoulders, Do you think he does want out or is it just about money? I didn't how much had been confirmed...
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What do you mean?

Look, it's hard to know. Do I think Rooney really wants out? No, not really, and I don't think money is the factor here for him either, I think he's just frustrated, in the last few years he went from being in Ronaldo's shadow, and having to constantly play out of position, to our main player. The team was built around him, he played every minute of every game and was our top goalscorer.

Since RvP came this season, he's no longer a guaranteed starter, and yet again, has been forced to play in positions he doesn't want to, as well as that, he keeps getting subbed, something he's never had to deal with before. I think he just submitted the request out of pure frustration really, which probably was a bit of a childish approach to take, but it was probably just his way of venting frustration, a silly way.

People on here are going so overboard, trying to justify the idea that he isn't as good as his wages would suggest, so what? he's our most popular player (or was), our most marketable player, and has been a great player for this club for ten years. He's not overrated, he is still one of the best forwards in the world and I think anyone arguing otherwise is trying to either kid themselves into thinking he wouldn't be a big loss to the club, or just doesn't like him.
 
Bilbo said:
No I'm serious. Do you ever see any other superstars moved around the field as often as Rooney does?

He is our employee and will play where we tell him to - I get that. I do believe that, while as a young player this can be beneficial to their development, Rooney is now at the stage of his career where he should be playing every week either up top or in behind the striker.

Why do you think he wants to leave the club? More money? I seriously doubt that. Mentally he has lost his way and I think that the club has some part to play in that. As I said before, it is a two-way street.
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This Rooney isn't playing at his actual position is doing my head in. It's a myth.

Rooney has played as a striker/support striker many times this season. He hardly played out of position this season.
 
Cina said:
What do you mean?

Look, it's hard to know. Do I think Rooney really wants out? No, not really, and I don't think money is the factor here for him either, I think he's just frustrated, in the last few years he went from being in Ronaldo's shadow, and having to constantly play out of position, to our main player. The team was built around him, he played every minute of every game and was our top goalscorer.

Since RvP came this season, he's no longer a guaranteed starter, and yet again, has been forced to play in positions he doesn't want to, as well as that, he keeps getting subbed, something he's never had to deal with before. I think he just submitted the request out of pure frustration really, which probably was a bit of a childish approach to take, but it was probably just his way of venting frustration, a silly way.

People on here are going so overboard, trying to justify the idea that he isn't as good as his wages would suggest, so what? he's our most popular player (or was), our most marketable player, and has been a great player for this club for ten years. He's not overrated, he is still one of the best forwards in the world and I think anyone arguing otherwise is trying to either kid themselves into thinking he wouldn't be a big loss to the club, or just doesn't like him.
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I meant that your opinions are usually informed, and I can understand a lot of that, especially about not being the main man etc. and having to play a 'team' role accomadating other's such as RVP or Ronaldo constantly. However, I can't imagine RVP from a younger age being as bothered, but that's just conjecture obviously.

I can't see how he would want to leave if SAF is now leaving and we have a manager who clearly values top British talent, unless that's why he is now thinking, perhaps I should stay..
 
Bilbo said:
I hope and I believe that Moyes will be pragmatic and logical about this.

Removing emotion from the equation, what is the best thing for Manchester United? Is it (a) to get our best player happy and back to his best form, or (b) selling our best player, if not to one of our direct league rivals, then certainly to one of our Champions League competitors.

Personally I believe Rooney will stay because I cannot envisage him moving to another country to live and work, and I strongly doubt that we will let him go to City or Chelsea.

The key point for me is how do we achieve (a)? I believe that removing Ferguson from the equation might change things, and a lot will depend on his relationship with Moyes. Aside from that I believe that simply giving him a commitment that, if he is fit and playing well, we will give him a run of games in a fixed position will help to solve a lot of these issues.
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When has that not being the case though? Like Fergie himself said yesterday, a Rooney in top form wouldn't get substituted as often as he has this season, so it's up to Rooney to make himself undroppable and thoroughly consistent in a fixed position, something he couldn't do last season.
 
Cina said:
Do I think Rooney really wants out? No, not really
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I agree its not about money. But even someone who isnt the sharpest tool in the box must have known handing in a second transfer request is not something you do on a whim. Rooney must have people with some common sense around him, even if he himself is not a master strategist. Colleen has a brain, for example. Presumably there are others. I just think if he has handed in a transfer request then he must want to go.
 
The last time he asked for a transfer request, some people dimly thought it wasn't about money, but he really did care and was worried about the state of the team, except he really wasn't.
 
akash02 said:
This is the strange part, people thinking Kagawa can come in and seamlessly replace Rooney when I have seen nothing from Kagawa so far to suggest he's going to be able to that
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1) Kagawa hasn't played much at No.10
2) So if Kagawa has been played at No.10 more and played well, you'd be ok to see Rooney go?

Stop shifting the argument to Kagawa, it's not about Kagawa. It's about Rooney wanting to depart. Some think Kagawa will flourish next season (at No.10) including the exiting boss, but yeah it's not guaranteed.

But at the moment, it's about Rooney.
 
reelworld said:
This Rooney isn't playing at his actual position is doing my head in. It's a myth.

Rooney has played as a striker/support striker many times this season. He hardly played out of position this season.
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I've voiced this similarly, really does my head in and often used as an excuse. In a few years, his staunchest defenders will be implying he became one of our all-time leading scorers despite being a winger.

He's played wide or central midfield probably no more than 10 times each in his entire United career.
 
Seveneric said:
The last time he asked for a transfer request, some people dimly thought it wasn't about money, but he really did care and was worried about the state of the team, except he really wasn't.
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Yes but what is informing this point of view isnt the naive idea that Rooney is above being motivated by money, but the simple truth that he is already one of the best paid footballers in the world, coming off the back of not his greatest ever season. You have to assume people think about how much leverage they have when they pick these kinds of fights. At the moment he doesnt have anywhere near as much as he did, reading through this thread it is clear pretty much everyone agrees with that, it isnt a hard reality to fathom. Think about how this might play out, does it seem feasible to anyone that the resolution will be another contract negotiation and a significant pay rise? That seems very unlikely to me. Even if Rooney is a simpleton, Stretford isnt. So if he is asking to leave, it must be because he wants to leave - OR what he is trying to secure is not more money, but assurances about playing time.
 
Adebesi said:
I agree its not about money. But even someone who isnt the sharpest tool in the box must have known handing in a second transfer request is not something you do on a whim. Rooney must have people with some common sense around him, even if he himself is not a master strategist. Colleen has a brain, for example. Presumably there are others. I just think if he has handed in a transfer request then he must want to go.
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Perhaps the reason that Ferguson so nonchalantly confirmed it on TV yesterday was for tactical reasons. Put it out there, let the public and the media give their opinions, and most importantly it makes it 'real', rather than a chat in an office behind closed doors.

I sympathise with Wayne, I really do. I have a good job in the City and I've been here for 7 years. I'm well paid, but I know for certain that I could earn more elsewhere. I have an attachment to my company, but every so often I'll have meetings with my boss where we openly discussed my frame of mind, and sometimes I'm happy and sometimes not so much. Its always perfectly amicable, and it happens all the time within businesses.

I'd be horrified if it was all made public and discussed openly by millions of strangers. Its difficult to imagine that kind of pressure.
 
I think there's an aspect of all this that's not being taken into account enough, and it's what Neville was referring to as 'Rooney wearing his heart on his sleeve'. Basically, for me, this guy has a lot of demons, I don't know if it's because of his background or his inability to deal with celebrity, but I feel that when you look at the crappy stuff he's done (the prostitutes when his wife was pregnant, the temper on the pitch at times, his reaction at the 2010 WC after the Algeria game, his arm-wrestling with the club), and he comes accross as someone who isn't exactly right in his head. And when he's troubled, it usually reflects on his performances on the pitch. Neville calls it 'wearing his heart on his sleeve', it's what Cina refers to in his post as being a 'childish approach', I think it's quite deep psychological issues that affect his overall approach to everything. I agree with everything Cina's said in his post, and I'm annoyed to see the magnitude (pop pop) this story is getting. In his bio, he said that when he asked for a transfer back in 2010, it was the biggest mistake of his life and felt stupid afterwards. I think he'll feel the same again this time. He's rash and, I believe, not well advised, and hasn't thought this through. I just hope that for his own sake he has a quiet talk with seasoned players, such as Gary Neville or Giggs, who can probably better help him sort out his head.
 
Bilbo said:
Perhaps the reason that Ferguson so nonchalantly confirmed it on TV yesterday was for tactical reasons. Put it out there, let the public and the media give their opinions, and most importantly it makes it 'real', rather than a chat in an office behind closed doors.

I sympathise with Wayne, I really do. I have a good job in the City and I've been here for 7 years. I'm well paid, but I know for certain that I could earn more elsewhere. I have an attachment to my company, but every so often I'll have meetings with my boss where we openly discussed my frame of mind, and sometimes I'm happy and sometimes not so much. Its always perfectly amicable, and it happens all the time within businesses.

I'd be horrified if it was all made public and discussed openly by millions of strangers. Its difficult to imagine that kind of pressure.
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I dont know the mechanics of these things but presumably there is a difference between a conversation that goes something like: "Sir, I have to admit I am struggling with the way you are using me at the moment. I am not enjoying my football with being shunted around so much. If things carry on like this I have to consider my future." And then actually handing in what must presumably be a formal, written transfer request? It feels like the latter is an escalation of the former, and the latter is where we are currently at.
 
I don't think he's stupid if he wants to leave, it's his right to voice an opinion.

I just don't think the United world will end if he goes!
 
Adebesi said:
Yes but what is informing this point of view isnt the naive idea that Rooney is above being motivated by money, but the simple truth that he is already one of the best paid footballers in the world, coming off the back of not his greatest ever season. You have to assume people think about how much leverage they have when they pick these kinds of fights. At the moment he doesnt have anywhere near as much as he did, reading through this thread it is clear pretty much everyone agrees with that, it isnt a hard reality to fathom. Think about how this might play out, does it seem feasible to anyone that the resolution will be another contract negotiation and a significant pay rise? That seems very unlikely to me. Even if Rooney is a simpleton, Stretford isnt. So if he is asking to leave, it must be because he wants to leave - OR what he is trying to secure is not more money, but assurances about playing time.
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Rooney's leverage is not what he brings to the United team, it's what he may bring to the likes of Chelsea or City.

In my opinion Rooney is after probably a minimum 3 year contract extension. His agent has probably told him unless he does something his last contract was likely to be his biggest because of the situation we were in at the time. He probably realises with 2 years remaining on his contract it is a very important time, United aren't going to let him get to 12 months and likewise probably wouldn't offer him the contract he wants.

Think about it logically: where will he realistically go if he leaves United? We won't let him go to City/Chelsea, Real/Bayern/Barcelona are unlikely to match his wages along with a big fee, which leaves PSG/Anzhi etc. I highly doubt he wants to progress his career with those teams.

It's another power play to give himself another 5 year deal on minimum his current terms.
 
Adebesi said:
I dont know the mechanics of these things but presumably there is a difference between a conversation that goes something like: "Sir, I have to admit I am struggling with the way you are using me at the moment. I am not enjoying my football with being shunted around so much. If things carry on like this I have to consider my future." And then actually handing in what must presumably be a formal, written transfer request? It feels like the latter is an escalation of the former, and the latter is where we are currently at.
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Its probably not important in the scheme of things, but do we know if he has actually made a written transfer request, or simply 'asked to leave' as Ferguson said?
 
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